Trinity Doctrine? Biblical or Catholic Teaching
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Permalink Reply by Della Morton on
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Many "Christians" do not understand when they claim God is a trintiy they are worshiping a pagan god. According to the scriptures those who deny that the Christ (Messiah) is both Father and Son is an antichrist, deceiver and liar. Isaiah 9:6 prophesied that the Messiah (Christ) would be both Father and Son! Amen!
Where did the trinity come from? How has it changed God's Word since it started? Is the Trinity Pagan? A must see video.
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Permalink Reply by Bishop S. JaNine Hyman, Ph.D. on
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Bro. Roberts....oohh....this is a little harsh, isn't it? Can we disagree without being unkind? Maybe ALL of us are a little blind since all we know about Scripture is what we were TOLD it meant. Are we really seeking G_d for truth? Are we really laying on our faces until we get a revelation of the texts? Probably not nearly as much as we should because we think we already know and that we are right.
The truth is that NONE of us have the fullness of the truth....nobody has a moretorium on G_d. We need others who differ from us to help complete our partial truths....therefore, "Let G_d be True, and EVERY MAN a liar". Let's disagree, but do it with the spirit of Christ....if we really open our spirits up, we will each find out that our thoughts are not His thoughts, neither our ways HIS ways, and we really don't know much at all. Let us all be humblded by this truth. (-:
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@Brother Roberts, I appreciate your hunble response to me...we really need to seek G_d as to how HE desires to reveal His "I Am-ness" to us.
I think what we fail to understand is that we have merely taken up the belief systems of others (western theologians who tout themselves as being the creme-dela-creme of scholarship), without truly seeking the face of our Creator. When we understand the scriptures to be a compilation of APPROVED writings from different peoples, times, and eras, we also understand that each generation is describing the Creator based on their culture, belief system, and their progressive revelation of G_d. This is why there is so much diversity in the presentation of the Creator throughout scritpures.
If we fail to recognize this, we begin taking a literal approach to scritpure. This automatically lifts the scritpures from their orignial contexts, causing us to perpetuate another whole belief system that was never intended by the writers. We also tend to ignore the fact that those who translated did so from their own limitations and motives. This is the same sector who gave us our current interpretations of the scriptures that they transliterated (while the so-called original hand written texts seem to have disappeared from public domain--so who can refute them?).
WHO can know the vastness of the One who created the worlds??? No one! WHO can contain such a massive, omni present Spirit? No one! What ethinic or religious group, or denomination has a monoply on the revelation of G_d. No one! The Great "I AM" reveals only what is necessary to bring us into intimate union and to finish our divine assignments. Anything else is over kill, and probably would literally KILL us if we looked upon IT.
At any rate, let me open a can of worms here. The thinking people will enjoy this inquiry, my truth seeking people will dig further, and my "religious" people are likely to react in indignation or reject it all together. Who can tell, So here goes...
The idea of the Trinity did not originate with the Roman (Euro) Catholic church as has been stated by some. In fact, the west has come up with almost nothing original, including its education, religion, and moral systems and codes. Most these things are taken from other cultures. Interestingly, a story very similar to that of Jesus, his assisination, death, and resurrection 3 days later can be found in Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead (name was changed to that by Europeans). The Gods (male and female) had a son who became a human, he had an earthly mission, was killed and 3 days later, was resurrected. There was both a male and female element to G_d. Hense, we get Mary being part of the Catholic diety. Even G_d can't have a son without a woman, or female G_d....so they made it Mary the Immaculate.
Now, question???? How has Jesus, the Son of G_d, "very God and very Man" been presented in art and literature and in the pictures in your bibles? More often than not, as a WHITE man. But the Catholic church KNEW that Yeshua was not white, nor were any of the apostles (this is why they have a BLACK bust of Peter at the Vatacan). So, if we adopt the Egyptian religion, mix it with Judaism, and other pagan cultures, we appeal to the whole world...and draw millions to the new religion.
QUESTION? How are the angels presented in the west and in other nations colonized by Europe? Typically WHITE---these are the messengers of G_d who exectue His will.
Question: If we make G_d a man, and make the man and the angels white, then what does that unconscioulsy suggest that G_d is? And if G_d is a man, and the portrayals of that man are overwhelming white, and we worship the MAN Jesus as G_d, then whose image is the world worshipping as the true G_d?????????
Finally, who stands to benifit if we say that Jesus is God, God became a man and HE just happens to be portrayed as a European MAN? Please people, don't REACT--- rather, THINK, PRAY, SEEK, and STUDY...the Spirit of the Lord wishes to reveal the deep things of G_d, but also to reveal the hidden truths that so often seem to elude us when we think we already know. I'm still seeking....30 years later, I'm still learning and evolving in truth. There has been a lot of twisting, contiminating, and omitting certain things from sacred texts. Since it is all history, we do not know how much truth has been hidden or suppressed from us presently. This is why we must think, pray, seek, and study.
TonyRoberts...I am stepping back and praying too...LOL
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Permalink Reply by Zealot X on
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It is not irrelevant at all. Did "Jesus" only exist in the NT?? You believe he has always existed so that means he would have still been around prior to Yeshua's appearance on Earth. But Jews and most Israelites don't just disagree that he appeared on earth but that there is only one elohim (G-d) and that is YHWH. As Yah himself said:
Isaiah 44:8 - Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a G-d beside me? yea, there is no G-d; I know not any.
If there is no G-d beside the speaker (YHWH) then that means there is no other entity or person who can be G-d also. You imagine that "Jesus" was there sitting on the throne beside YAH but YAH is telling you that there is no one beside him. So your imagination, based on bad interpretation of the NT, is simply flawed. Those who disagree with you don't just deny a man from being G-d because they don't believe him, but because they READ the Scriptures. YHWH never says this stuff in the Scriptures; in the Tanakh. THAT is why it isn't believed. It's because Christians made it up and the idea did not even exist prior to gentile Christians.
But that's what happens when you have a numerous assumptions and few facts.
Shalom
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If no one changed the word of God than you must think the catholic church is the true church?
Their teachings line up with scripture? I Think NOT!
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Permalink Reply by Hezekiah Ben Israel on
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THis is a Catholic Teaching.
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The Teaching of the trinity is catholic! You are so right Ben!
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Permalink Reply by Preacher on
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John 16:2
They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God.
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Permalink Reply by Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene on
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For all who adhere to the Oneness doctrine, I appeal to 1st Corinthians 15:22-28
"For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."
http://abcpreachers.ning.com/forum/topics/for-all-to-consider-the?p...
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Permalink Reply by Mrs. Denise Jones on
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Amen...Bro. Green. I know that scripture also and go why they don't except that ALL IN ALL PART....Like the I AM THAT I AM.
Okay, now....for every one that say something like if you believe this or if you believe that..then....??????
Later for the religions....just meditate on God/G-d/Jesus/Savior/Buddah whoever you call Him...just meditate on Him right now...commune with Him....how great is He to YOU. What limitations do you give Him...Now think of His power and what He can do with that power. Wow...do you see how the trinity can be? God can make Himself be whatever He want to be. God the Father The Son and the Holy Spirit all at ONCE. Don't limit God with your thinking....oh, but maybe YOUR God do have limits, like Pharohs god did. As the people were moving toward the sea and their God opened it up...pharoh was asking his god to make his son well....If my God can inspire men who walked in sin to record His Word, and can create a world of people, animals, flowers, water and any other living thing. HE CAN SURELY STEP DOWN OFF HIS THROWN AND WALK AMONGST HIS CREATION WHENEVER HE WANTED TO....And my limits of Him doing just that is when He so loved this sinful world and His creation that He stepped down from His thrown and dwelt amongst His creation in the Flesh and gave himself a name (Jesus) and rose on the 3 day to go back to His thrown and sent His comforting Holy Spirit (for He is Holy) to lead and guide those who believe that HE IS THE GREAT I AM back to Him. So yes I believe that God IS and CAN be anything He want to be. I will NEVER put a limit on what God can do....man yes, but God...IN DEED NOT.
Matthew 10
20For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
Matthews 12
5Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
6But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
7But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
8For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Zechariah 14
9And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Revelation 11
15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17Saying, We give thee thanks, O LORD God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
19And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
How Great is your God, sing it for me...How Great IS THY GOD.
In Love, Sis. Denise
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