Trinity Doctrine? Biblical or Catholic Teaching - Black Preaching Network2024-03-29T02:10:38Zhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/forum/topics/916966:Topic:15697?x=1&id=916966%3ATopic%3A15697&feed=yes&xn_auth=noYou are Wrong Trevor! Jesus i…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-11-29:916966:Comment:17950822010-11-29T16:50:03.753ZDella Mortonhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/DellaMorton
You are Wrong Trevor! Jesus is like no one else. He was human 100% and 100% God. The Bible says God cannot sleep or slumber. So when Jesus was in the Boat sleeping what role was he in? His humanity. Did God stop being God at that time? No. God is A spirit John 4:24 He is everywhere all the time!
You are Wrong Trevor! Jesus is like no one else. He was human 100% and 100% God. The Bible says God cannot sleep or slumber. So when Jesus was in the Boat sleeping what role was he in? His humanity. Did God stop being God at that time? No. God is A spirit John 4:24 He is everywhere all the time! "For most Trinitarians they d…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-04-30:916966:Comment:13095382010-04-30T22:41:52.749ZArchbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greenehttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/ArchbishopTrevorElihu
"<i><b>For most Trinitarians they do not understand how Jesus had two natures one divine and one human.</b></i>"<br />
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Lets start right here: What exactly do you really even know about the Trinity other than the cut-n-paste you have done bashing the Roman Catholic Church, and accusing everyone else of being Roman Catholic?<br />
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Now, you answered this question with much commentary, but little revelation. at least you answered it though, I'll give you that. However, you once again avoided the scripture I…
"<i><b>For most Trinitarians they do not understand how Jesus had two natures one divine and one human.</b></i>"<br />
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Lets start right here: What exactly do you really even know about the Trinity other than the cut-n-paste you have done bashing the Roman Catholic Church, and accusing everyone else of being Roman Catholic?<br />
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Now, you answered this question with much commentary, but little revelation. at least you answered it though, I'll give you that. However, you once again avoided the scripture I presented before:<br />
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<u>1st Corinthians 15:22-28</u> "<i><b>For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.</b></i>"<br />
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According to your doctrine, the humanity of GOD will subject itself to the divinity of GOD in the end. Is that right? If not, then PLEASE break this one down, because this scripture comes in direct conflict with the heresy of the Oneness doctrine. This scripture says that JESUS will submit to His Father and serve Him in the end, and that the Father will reign on the throne with CHRIST serving Him. Trevor: to answer your questi…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-04-10:916966:Comment:12872322010-04-10T15:37:52.495ZDella Mortonhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/DellaMorton
Trevor: to answer your question about Jesus praying? Who was praying to who?<br />
Do the prayers of Christ indicate a distinction of persons between Jesus and the Father? No. On the contrary, His praying indicates a distinction between the Son of God and God. Jesus prayed in His humanity, not in His deity. If the prayers of Jesus demonstrate that the divine nature of Jesus is different than the Father, then Jesus is inferior to the Father in deity. In other words, if Jesus prayed as God then His…
Trevor: to answer your question about Jesus praying? Who was praying to who?<br />
Do the prayers of Christ indicate a distinction of persons between Jesus and the Father? No. On the contrary, His praying indicates a distinction between the Son of God and God. Jesus prayed in His humanity, not in His deity. If the prayers of Jesus demonstrate that the divine nature of Jesus is different than the Father, then Jesus is inferior to the Father in deity. In other words, if Jesus prayed as God then His position in the Godhead would be somehow inferior to the other "persons." This one example effectively destroys the concept of a trinity of co-equal persons.<br />
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<b><u>How can God pray and still be God? By definition, God in His omnipotence has no need to pray, and in His oneness has no other to whom He can pray. If the prayers of Jesus prove there are two persons in the Godhead, then one of those persons is subordinate to the other and therefore not fully or truly God.<br />
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What, then, is the explanation of the prayers of Christ? It can only be that the human nature of Jesus prayed to the eternal Spirit of God. The divine nature did not need help; only the human nature did. As Jesus said at the Garden of Gethsemane, "The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak" (Matthew 26:41). Hebrews 5:7 makes it clear that Jesus needed to pray only during "the days of his flesh." During the prayer at Gethsemane, the human will submitted itself to the divine will. Through prayer His human nature learned to submit and be obedient to the Spirit of God (Philippians 2:8; Hebrews 5:7-8). This was not a struggle between two divine wills, but a struggle between the human and divine wills in Jesus. As a man Jesus submitted Himself to and received strength from the Spirit of God.<br />
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Some may object to this explanation, contending that it means Jesus prayed to Himself. However, we must realize that, unlike any other human being, Jesus had two perfect and complete natures - humanity and divinity. What would be absurd or impossible for an ordinary man is not so strange with Jesus. We do not say Jesus prayed to Himself, for that incorrectly implies Jesus had only one nature like ordinary men. Rather, we say the human nature of Jesus prayed to the divine Spirit of Jesus that dwelt in the man.<br />
Trevor To answer your question about Jesus praying to the Father? Who was praying to who?<br />
The choice is simple. Either Jesus as God prayed to the Father or Jesus as man prayed to the Father. If the former were true, then we have a form of subordinationism or Arianism in which one person in the Godhead is inferior to, not co-equal with, another person in the Godhead. This contradicts the biblical concept of one God, the full deity of Jesus, and the omnipotence of God. If the second alternative is correct, and we believe that it is, then no distinction of persons in the Godhead exists. The only distinction is between humanity and divinity, not between God and God.<br />
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For most trinitarians they do not understand how Jesus had two natures one divine and one human. Trevor You act as if we are d…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-04-10:916966:Comment:12872272010-04-10T15:34:08.972ZDella Mortonhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/DellaMorton
Trevor You act as if we are denying the Father and the Son and the Holyghost? We believe it's all in him! Col.2:9<br />
That scripture you quoted I totally agree!
Trevor You act as if we are denying the Father and the Son and the Holyghost? We believe it's all in him! Col.2:9<br />
That scripture you quoted I totally agree! Ummmm, I can't say that I tot…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-04-08:916966:Comment:12836482010-04-08T12:14:53.623ZArchbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greenehttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/ArchbishopTrevorElihu
Ummmm, I can't say that I totally agree with your post here Sis Denise. You missed what I was saying completely, plus you said somethings that were in error.
Ummmm, I can't say that I totally agree with your post here Sis Denise. You missed what I was saying completely, plus you said somethings that were in error. Amen...Bro. Green. I know tha…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-04-01:916966:Comment:12777012010-04-01T15:46:01.621ZMrs. Denise Joneshttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/denisesldd
Amen...Bro. Green. I know that scripture also and go why they don't except that ALL IN ALL PART....Like the I AM THAT I AM.<br />
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Okay, now....for every one that say something like if you believe this or if you believe that..then....??????<br />
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Later for the religions....just meditate on God/G-d/Jesus/Savior/Buddah whoever you call Him...just meditate on Him right now...commune with Him....how great is He to YOU. What limitations do you give Him...Now think of His power and what He can do with that…
Amen...Bro. Green. I know that scripture also and go why they don't except that ALL IN ALL PART....Like the I AM THAT I AM.<br />
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Okay, now....for every one that say something like if you believe this or if you believe that..then....??????<br />
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Later for the religions....just meditate on God/G-d/Jesus/Savior/Buddah whoever you call Him...just meditate on Him right now...commune with Him....how great is He to YOU. What limitations do you give Him...Now think of His power and what He can do with that power. Wow...do you see how the trinity can be? God can make Himself be whatever He want to be. God the Father The Son and the Holy Spirit all at ONCE. Don't limit God with your thinking....oh, but maybe YOUR God do have limits, like Pharohs god did. As the people were moving toward the sea and their God opened it up...pharoh was asking his god to make his son well....If my God can inspire men who walked in sin to record His Word, and can create a world of people, animals, flowers, water and any other living thing. HE CAN SURELY STEP DOWN OFF HIS THROWN AND WALK AMONGST HIS CREATION WHENEVER HE WANTED TO....And my limits of Him doing just that is when He so loved this sinful world and His creation that He stepped down from His thrown and dwelt amongst His creation in the Flesh and gave himself a name (Jesus) and rose on the 3 day to go back to His thrown and sent His comforting Holy Spirit (for He is Holy) to lead and guide those who believe that HE IS THE GREAT I AM back to Him. So yes I believe that God IS and CAN be anything He want to be. I will NEVER put a limit on what God can do....man yes, but God...IN DEED NOT.<br />
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Matthew 10<br />
20For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.<br />
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Matthews 12<br />
5Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?<br />
6But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.<br />
7But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.<br />
8For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.<br />
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Zechariah 14<br />
9And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.<br />
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Revelation 11<br />
15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.<br />
16And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,<br />
17Saying, We give thee thanks, O LORD God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.<br />
18And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.<br />
19And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.<br />
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How Great is your God, sing it for me...How Great IS THY GOD.<br />
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In Love, Sis. Denise "You are right--this is futil…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-04-01:916966:Comment:12776242010-04-01T14:41:01.527ZArchbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greenehttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/ArchbishopTrevorElihu
<b><i>"You are right--this is futile, and none will know until we meet our Maker."</i></b><br />
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I see this as being as big a heresy as anything, to say that you will not know GOD until you meet your Maker. I have seen the LORD Himself a few times, and I can say that I know Him. I don't know all about Him, but I know Him enough to tell you that I have good reason to adhere to the Trinity doctrine.
<b><i>"You are right--this is futile, and none will know until we meet our Maker."</i></b><br />
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I see this as being as big a heresy as anything, to say that you will not know GOD until you meet your Maker. I have seen the LORD Himself a few times, and I can say that I know Him. I don't know all about Him, but I know Him enough to tell you that I have good reason to adhere to the Trinity doctrine. For all who adhere to the One…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-04-01:916966:Comment:12776222010-04-01T14:37:27.575ZArchbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greenehttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/ArchbishopTrevorElihu
For all who adhere to the Oneness doctrine, I appeal to 1st Corinthians 15:22-28<br />
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"<i><b>For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that…</b></i>
For all who adhere to the Oneness doctrine, I appeal to 1st Corinthians 15:22-28<br />
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"<i><b>For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.</b></i>"<br />
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They will put you o…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-04-01:916966:Comment:12770222010-04-01T02:28:14.312ZPreacherhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/duckonia
John 16:2<br />
They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God.
John 16:2<br />
They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God. bumptag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-03-29:916966:Comment:12738822010-03-29T21:17:47.886ZHezekiah Ben Israelhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/HezekiahBenIsrael
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