Election 2008: Who is the best candidate? - Black Preaching Network2024-03-29T15:56:38Zhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/forum/topics/916966:Topic:48193?commentId=916966%3AComment%3A220887&feed=yes&xn_auth=no"The Obama budget claims to c…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-03-04:916966:Comment:4877832009-03-04T19:38:29.892ZShekinahLifehttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/YaaKovandHadassahT
<i>"The Obama budget claims to cut the deficit in half by 2012, but relies on audaciously optimistic economic forecasts that no one believes in. Adding the 'stimulus' bill to a realistic budget baseline yields a projected 2010-2017 cumulative budget deficit of $8.4 trillion – 2.5 times the size of President Bush’s deficits over the same eight-year period." - Quote~~~The Heritage Foundation</i><br />
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$8.4 trillion? Barack Obama has only been in office for a little over a month!<br />
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<i>"The Obama budget claims to cut the deficit in half by 2012, but relies on audaciously optimistic economic forecasts that no one believes in. Adding the 'stimulus' bill to a realistic budget baseline yields a projected 2010-2017 cumulative budget deficit of $8.4 trillion – 2.5 times the size of President Bush’s deficits over the same eight-year period." - Quote~~~The Heritage Foundation</i><br />
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$8.4 trillion? Barack Obama has only been in office for a little over a month!<br />
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That’s $8,400,000,000,000.00! That's approximately $28,000 for every man, woman and child in the United States... a staggering debt of about $112,000.00 for the average family of four.<br />
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And Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid aren't about to stop there. Like the Energizer Bunny, they want to keep going and going and going!<br />
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Obama still wants to nationalize health-care too... he wants to put the federal government in charge of energy and your children’s education... he wants to spend billions to eradicate global poverty… and the Obama Administration is now saying that more bailouts may be needed! And we the taxpayers are going to pay for it.<br />
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Look at just some of what has happened in the past 30 days.<br />
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On Friday, Obama proposed a 3.5 trillion dollar federal budget which will widen the deficit to $1.75 trillion dollars. The federal deficit in 2007 was $160.7 billion dollars. Obama's own proposed budget calls for a federal deficit that is almost 11 TIMES THE 2007 DEFICIT!<br />
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Timothy (I-Have-Issues-Paying-My-Own-Taxes) Geithner's Treasury Department announced that American International Group Inc. (AIG), after losing $99.3 billion in 2008 would receive an ADDITIONAL $30 billion in Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) handouts.<br />
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General Motors (GM) and Chrysler are angling for another $14 billion and GM is promising to cut 47,000 jobs - about 20 percent of its workforce - in exchange for its share of your taxpayer dollars.<br />
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The Chicago Tribune reported: ”President Barack Obama will break a campaign pledge against congressional earmarks and sign a budget bill laden with millions in lawmakers’ pet projects … Taxpayers for Common Sense, a watchdog group, identified almost 8,600 earmarks totaling $7.7 billion.”<br />
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In addition, Obama wants hard-working Americans who have played by the rules and have lived within their means to pay for other people’s defaulting mortgages!<br />
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At this rate; how much more will that $8.4 trillion figure go up?<br />
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Oh yeah, to pay for a small percentage of Obama’s spending habit, he wants to raise taxes during one of the worst economic recessions in recent memory!<br />
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It has simply got to STOP! It's got to STOP NOW!<br />
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It’s time for Americans to stick their heads out of the window and - to borrow a phrase from the classic movie Network - shout to Barack Obama: “I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take this anymore!” I never was for Barack, and n…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-03-04:916966:Comment:4862652009-03-04T03:14:55.102ZArchbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greenehttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/ArchbishopTrevorElihu
I never was for Barack, and never will be! I can never support a man that allows for gay "Bishops" to pray at your inauguration parties (V. Gene Robinson), that has the first bill that he passes to legalize US tax money for abortions worldwide, that censors and edits every prayer that is said before any event he has.<br />
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I'm Theocratic, not Democratic!
I never was for Barack, and never will be! I can never support a man that allows for gay "Bishops" to pray at your inauguration parties (V. Gene Robinson), that has the first bill that he passes to legalize US tax money for abortions worldwide, that censors and edits every prayer that is said before any event he has.<br />
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I'm Theocratic, not Democratic! It is said that in a democrac…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2008-11-24:916966:Comment:2288582008-11-24T15:09:27.190ZHOPE - Psalm 43:5http://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/TracyCurtis
It is said that in a democracy, the people get the leader they deserve. So....every president that we have had....we deserved that president. The good, the bad and the ugly of that president. The problem with limiting God to a republican or democrat is that we Believers act like we cant rally together to start our own party ... in a "DEMOCRACY". We truly believe that we are stuck with two tweedles and sit back and let it happen.<br />
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It is erroneous to think that I am raising an eyebrow because…
It is said that in a democracy, the people get the leader they deserve. So....every president that we have had....we deserved that president. The good, the bad and the ugly of that president. The problem with limiting God to a republican or democrat is that we Believers act like we cant rally together to start our own party ... in a "DEMOCRACY". We truly believe that we are stuck with two tweedles and sit back and let it happen.<br />
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It is erroneous to think that I am raising an eyebrow because Obama is Black. My eyebrow is raised because of the platform the he or Hillary or McCain or Palin or my mayor, or our chief justice or any other elected official supports. I don't vote party, I vote person and some of the people in office are either a-moral or immoral in their decisions. Christians are so afraid to say what they don't like about Obama because people will think they are raising a roucus because he is Black. Are you kidding me? I was overjoyed about a Black man being elected our 44th. Look how far we've come...but uhm...now that we are in the White House can we not just support people of color...can we also support God's governing principles? That's just my two cents<br />
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But also... I love this country and do not take our liberties for granted. I am thankful for the democracy. I am thankful for the right to cast a vote as a woman and as a Black woman. I am thankful that the election is now over because no matter who stepped into office, as a Believer I am obligated to support them in prayer. I am obligated to speak up against injustice done to them as well as injustice done by them. President Barak Hussein Obama II is MY president by the election process in America. And I will uphold God's principles of how to act towards thoses in leadership. As well as continue to wave a biblical flag before them and hold them accountable for how they run this blessed nation of ours. (McCain would have been just as controversial for me if he had been elected...but I would treat him just as I treat Obama now)<br />
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Food for thought: Take a moment to read Romans 1:16-32.... Do you see America in any of that? This is not a passage that merely condemns homosexuality...it condemns the rejection of God (verse 28). Lastly, verse 32 concludes that those who have lifestyles of what is on the list... deserve death. (for the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. They reject God and therefore accept the penalty of sin...) But don't forget the latter part of verse 32. It reads "and although they KNOW the ordinace of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of deathy...THEY NOT ONLY DO THE SAME, BUT ALSO GIVE HEARTY APPROVAL TO THOSE WHO PRACTICE THEM.<br />
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It is because of those who give "hearty approval" of the people who practice the wickedness due to rejecting God that our nation is as it is today. It is THIS reason why I speak against specific portions of the Democratic Platform. Because they give "hearty approval" to actions and lifestyles that blatantly reject God. So much so that they are fighting for legisltion for rejecting God. But believers don't want to stand up against such paradigms because they feel there should be a separation of church and state or that you can't legislate morality. While unbelievers are working around the clock to legislate immorality.<br />
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My question is that while the kingdom of God is suffering this violence...where are the violent that are willing to fight back for God?<br />
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God Bless America. I am a supporter of Obama. Ye…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2008-11-20:916966:Comment:2252132008-11-20T19:56:11.517ZSyvoskia Brayhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/SyvoskiaBray
I am a supporter of Obama. Yes, I realize that no man or woman is perfect expecially to be called to such a high office as this one. But it sures seems to be a lot of controversy since the 1st Black President has come into office. I wonder why we were not issuing or standing in the last 30 years in which this country has been ran by supreme white males, and no questions or concerned were raise. I come to understand we people of God should follow your beliefs but know this that even in your…
I am a supporter of Obama. Yes, I realize that no man or woman is perfect expecially to be called to such a high office as this one. But it sures seems to be a lot of controversy since the 1st Black President has come into office. I wonder why we were not issuing or standing in the last 30 years in which this country has been ran by supreme white males, and no questions or concerned were raise. I come to understand we people of God should follow your beliefs but know this that even in your beliefs there are some governing laws in the world which states the polices. You made your choice.<br />
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But when you choose to vote which truly is a choice, If you walked closed with the issues that were on board and wanted to be a good citizen by casting your vote, that the picture was clearly painted as to what choices were to be made. Those choices clearly outlined a Dem or Rep agenda. The choice is yours! Which agenda supports your stake holder responsibility. All became stakeholders in this election. The people of America have spoken and that settles it. Amen. Shannon,
I know your respons…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2008-11-18:916966:Comment:2224362008-11-18T23:20:33.329ZHOPE - Psalm 43:5http://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/TracyCurtis
Shannon,<br />
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I know your responses are seen as Obama bashing... and I agree, this was the HARDEST election for me to cast my vote. It was a lesser of two evils... not evil men but evil platforms. Why couldnt we have a candidate that was BOTH morally sound as well as economically fair in policy as well as God-minded in foreign affairs.<br />
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At this point, who I voted for matters not. I am now in the position of an American with a new President that I will pray for; I will pray for his family…
Shannon,<br />
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I know your responses are seen as Obama bashing... and I agree, this was the HARDEST election for me to cast my vote. It was a lesser of two evils... not evil men but evil platforms. Why couldnt we have a candidate that was BOTH morally sound as well as economically fair in policy as well as God-minded in foreign affairs.<br />
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*sigh*<br />
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At this point, who I voted for matters not. I am now in the position of an American with a new President that I will pray for; I will pray for his family his cabinet and his decisions. I will pray for my country...this sweet land of liberty. I will pray for my countrymen, statesment and fellow Houstonians. At this point, for me, why we should or shouldn't have voted for him is important but MOOT. The bun is in the oven and the country is impregnated with Democratic change that will be both good and bad. Like I always say, "when you marry Jack or Jane, you get their Uncle Pookie 'nem too". When we get a President, sometimes (and definitley in this case) we get the party too.<br />
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What is homogenous some may ask???<br />
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America’s Homogeneous society – oh that's just a fancy name for "melting pot". Melting pot is an analogy that describes a homogeneous society in which the ingredients in the pot (people of different cultures, races and religions) are combined so as to develop a multi-ethnic society. It is very rare that you will see a generation with "pure" blood in America. By pure blood I mean only one ethnicity can be traced in it's bloodline. I'm even a mixed race but folk look at me and call me African American or Black. I'm American Indian (Qualls), I'm Irish (McDade) and I'm Anglo/African mixed (Thompson). [Curtis is my married name that I kept after my divorce years ago]. But in America, a little leaven, leavens the whole lump. If you have a little Aftrican in ya.. then youz Black ... LOL<br />
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But I digress....<br />
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My hope... well, my hope is not in what man can accomplish but what God does in spite of who is elected in office. Is President Obama's election an end to racism in America??? No!!! (as a matter of fact, it brought out those hidden racist who were complacent with the status quo -- and I mean Black as well as White racists... munch on that for a minute or two)<br />
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His election was however a gigantic leap towards the homogenous society that we are rapidly becoming. What did Obama do... he renewed the spirit of "one nation" in America. Which had me applauding!!! What a task that only a charismatic individual could accomplish....<br />
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Now if only that "one nation" could come under God... it then would be.. INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL!<br />
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Remember, when you marry Jack, you get Uncle Pookie 'nem too! Be mindful that as one nation(ality) we will find ourselves incorporating the beliefs of a variety of religions... a (s)melting pot of wickedness mixed in with Christianity and we will call it... tolerance (aka -- Humanism). It will includle biblical principles and therefore sound really good to itching ears. It will seem fair and just but it won't be holy and righteous. After all, a woman has RIGHT to choose doesn't she??? (hmmm)<br />
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Here is something that I wonder if anyone really heard, President Obama said that change may not occur in one presidential term of 4 years....maybe not even 10 years. Man, I couldn't agree more. But while the left hand is righting the wrongs of the Bush era, the right hand is going to be supporting legislature of moral issues that are contrary to the Word of God. I don't know what to say. The radical change will also bring about....radical change and I did not want both "Jack AND Uncle Pookie"... but they are tethered together.<br />
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God Bless America!<br />
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~Tracy~ Jesse Ventura Speech tells it…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2008-11-18:916966:Comment:2224162008-11-18T23:02:46.894ZShekinahLifehttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/YaaKovandHadassahT
<b>Jesse Ventura Speech tells it like it is</b>~~~9 trillion in debt,... and a child born today owes…
<b>Jesse Ventura Speech tells it like it is</b>~~~9 trillion in debt,... and a child born today owes $30,0000<hr/><object width="495" height="399"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/3IH6fiARKao&hl=en&fs=1&color1=0xcc2550&color2=0xe87a9f&border=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="never"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/3IH6fiARKao&hl=en&fs=1&color1=0xcc2550&color2=0xe87a9f&border=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="never" width="495" height="349"></embed></object> Remember the women’s league o…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2008-11-18:916966:Comment:2224022008-11-18T22:52:59.514ZShekinahLifehttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/YaaKovandHadassahT
Remember the women’s league of voters?<br />
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Back in 1992 Ross Perot was a third party member and because of the women's league he gained 30 million dollars from the people to assist in his campaign...He actually had 1 out of 5 votes...<br />
You should find that interesting<br />
Why? Because in 1996 Mr. Clinton and Bob Dole did not want that to be repeated as their illuminate /bilderberg buddies could not afford a real person for the PEOPLE to get elected...so those two sweethearts (PARTY boys) decided to get…
Remember the women’s league of voters?<br />
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Back in 1992 Ross Perot was a third party member and because of the women's league he gained 30 million dollars from the people to assist in his campaign...He actually had 1 out of 5 votes...<br />
You should find that interesting<br />
Why? Because in 1996 Mr. Clinton and Bob Dole did not want that to be repeated as their illuminate /bilderberg buddies could not afford a real person for the PEOPLE to get elected...so those two sweethearts (PARTY boys) decided to get their buddies to shut down the Women's league and start a new DEBATE league. YEP it is all controlled... Really it is ONE party they just have the Sheeple thinking differently<br />
That is why Ron Paul changed from Libertarian to Republican so he could at least try to run for the People...But the Liberal (joke) media press did everything it could to not give him airtime nor debate time<br />
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So NEXT time if we ever get the chance do not vote any party, Vote for someone who is Not a Bilderberg boy<br />
It is no longer time to vote party it is however time to vote biblical and Constitutional values...before it is too late >>>Unfortunately it may be. I was by no means offended by…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2008-11-18:916966:Comment:2222432008-11-18T20:25:06.340ZShannon Elkinshttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/ShannonElkins
I was by no means offended by your last reply. I sincerely apologize if I seemed offended in my post truly that was not my intention.<br />
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But for the sake of saying, I don't vote a straight ticket, Republican or Democrat. The platforms for both parties are important to me but not the deciding factor. I simply in good conscience could not vote for Obama because his political aspirations and deep convictions conflict with what I know to be the truth in God's Word. I could not justify a vote for him…
I was by no means offended by your last reply. I sincerely apologize if I seemed offended in my post truly that was not my intention.<br />
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But for the sake of saying, I don't vote a straight ticket, Republican or Democrat. The platforms for both parties are important to me but not the deciding factor. I simply in good conscience could not vote for Obama because his political aspirations and deep convictions conflict with what I know to be the truth in God's Word. I could not justify a vote for him for any reason!<br />
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As I have stated in a previous post, Obama is the people's choice, He is not God’s choice. He is Saul. He is the permissive will of God, and I do not believe that he is the perfect will of God. God has given the people of this great nation what they want, despite the truth that Obama is in complete opposition to the word of God as revealed by his political platform. We (the Church) have literally been set back decades with the election of Obama.<br />
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The biblical precedent for this is found in:<br />
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1 Samuel 8:6-7, 9-11, 18-20, 22<br />
But when they said, "Give us a king to lead us," this displeased Samuel; so he prayed to the LORD. And the LORD told him: "Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king.” He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do: He will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses, and they will run in front of his chariots. When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, and the LORD will not answer you in that day. "But the people refused to listen to Samuel. "No!" they said. "We want a king over us.” Then we will be like all the other nations, with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our battles. "The LORD answered, "Listen to them and give them a king." Then Samuel said to the men of Israel, "Everyone go back to his town."<br />
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1 Samuel 15:35 KJV<br />
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“And Samuel came no more to see Saul until the day of his death; nevertheless Samuel mourned for Saul: and the LORD repented that he had made Saul king over Israel.”<br />
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I am terribly saddened by the many Christian brothers and sisters who turned away from the truth and compromised their beliefs for the election of Obama. I realize I am a small minority. I would rather be in the small minority and have a clear conscience then go with the masses and miss God. I suppose only time will tell!!!<br />
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We will all be held accountable for every thought, word and deed, including how we voted and what was our motivation. My conscience is clear.<br />
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Shannon Rev. Moore wrote: "Some belie…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2008-11-18:916966:Comment:2220462008-11-18T18:00:39.200ZHOPE - Psalm 43:5http://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/TracyCurtis
Rev. Moore wrote: <i>"Some believe Obama is the key to some great evil being unleased on the earth, when nothing can stop God's plan. These things which are occuring, must take place. When they occur don't blame, just know that God will and his word is true"</i><br />
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We (Christians) act as if we can reverse what is stated in the Bible. The anti-Christ WILL come... whomever he is. But the "spirit" of the anti-christ has been prevelant in America for quite some time now. And I wonder... really wonder…
Rev. Moore wrote: <i>"Some believe Obama is the key to some great evil being unleased on the earth, when nothing can stop God's plan. These things which are occuring, must take place. When they occur don't blame, just know that God will and his word is true"</i><br />
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We (Christians) act as if we can reverse what is stated in the Bible. The anti-Christ WILL come... whomever he is. But the "spirit" of the anti-christ has been prevelant in America for quite some time now. And I wonder... really wonder why WE (ethnic groups) RAN to register to vote in this most wonderfully historical election... which it was profoundly historical. But, WE in our own cities don't look at the elected officials.. judges, statesmen, city government. JUDGES have been the ones overturning abortion and marriage cases... reaking HAVOC on our society. But we want to limit this to just the office of the President? Our country that was founded on biblical principles by men who called themselves Christians.... is quickly becoming a society led by non-Believers that Christians are elected or ignoring and just not voting. And I'm not talking about one particular leader. I'm talking about over a period of time we've gone from fundamental biblical principles to secular humanism and and all-inclusive tolerance that has continually deteriorated our society. The value of life is so low that murder is prevelant from the blatant criminal to the mass murders of the innocent we call... the unborn. But this is overshadowed by a woman's right to .. choose her creature comforts over the life inside of her. Black on black crime continues to escalate... and not just physical murder but we bicker amongst ourselves, killing one another with words. The family structure is now being forged by a rebellious infant named "Stewy" and an ignorant, immature father named Peter Griffith. Aren't we lucky there's a Family Guy? Boondocks... how wonderful that a black man can progress to such fame... but at what cost? Two militant midgets with no respect for authority but they are all about Power to the People. Whatever happened to children being shown that they should RESPECT the elders and obey their parents in the Lord for this is right... SO THAT.. their days may be long. And we wonder why our children are dying.<br />
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Uh oh... I think I just took a step on my soap box. LOL. Let me go ahead an sit back down in the seat of the silent observer.<br />
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Wait.. one more thing. I agree that we are not perfect but we should strive for the pleasing God...that's a perfect life. One that understands that we are not sinless but because we have a relationship with the Father through our risen Lord we should be sinning less. Since we expect that of ourselves, we should expect that from the people we elect in office... sinning less AND supporting platforms that do not promote wickedness and immorality.<br />
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But is this a reality in America today? Or am I just kidding myself?<br />
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Ok, back to my seat. :) I'm glad we live in a time wh…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2008-11-18:916966:Comment:2217242008-11-18T15:19:50.844ZRev. Charles Moorehttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/cmoore0766
I'm glad we live in a time where everyone can voice their opinion. Discussion leads to better understanding of others and the ability to respect our differences is essential. I did not vote for a party but for a person, who might not be perfect but neither am I. The office of President is a job, nothing more. We are capable of choosing whom we feel is most qualified, but not perfect for the job. Sis. Tracy is on point. We need to pray for the leaders, for we are unable to issue a sentence of…
I'm glad we live in a time where everyone can voice their opinion. Discussion leads to better understanding of others and the ability to respect our differences is essential. I did not vote for a party but for a person, who might not be perfect but neither am I. The office of President is a job, nothing more. We are capable of choosing whom we feel is most qualified, but not perfect for the job. Sis. Tracy is on point. We need to pray for the leaders, for we are unable to issue a sentence of damnation on any man.<br />
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Shannon, i am apologizing if you were offended, but you make a lot of claims without any basis or fact. My simple challenge was to define the policy and stance of McCain, because you voted for him. Is his morals greater than Obama? if so, explain the morality of Palin? or even McCain? You concern is not that of just a party but the morality of individuals. Collective thinkers with bad thoughts. In life every person has a role to play, some good & some bad, but we all have a role. Some believe Obama is the key to some great evil being unleased on the earth, when nothing can stop God's plan. These things which are occuring, must take place. When they occur don't blame, just know that God will and his word is true.