I know this should spark a good discussion. I open this conversation for an opportunity to review and share your perspective and views.

I'm a Dem. (by choice) and I have been watching the race closely as things become interesting. Question? Why is it that Hillary takes the African American vote for granite? Time after Time she sends Bill in to rally the ol' guard to get the support, but will not show up herself, why is that? Why has some of our Civil Rights leaders, who claim to have fought for the DREEAAAM!!! to reach this point when we could have a good candidate, who is African American to run in the race and they refuse to support him because they feel we are still entitled and owed Bill for his years in office. Bill is not Hillary. Hillary ain't no Bill. History is repeating itself. We pray for the opportunity, which is then granted, and we refuse to accept and go back and pray again.

People, this is the closest time we have been to seeing the Dream come to life and instead of celebrating, we sit back and ask the question "is this the one or is there another?" I'm a supporter, but I'm not suggesting who you should vote but that you need to vote. We have complained tooooooo long about what is going on and we need to get involved or we will be left behind again. What am I saying? Don't give your vote away, but let it be earned. Learn what each person is saying and how you feel about it. You have a voice, you can say what you from your candidate, and you do count.

I think it is amazing what history is occurring in front of our eyes. People are forsaking color and looking for who is best to represent and not concerning themselves with the candidate of entitlement who you will not see in your church anytime soon. a recent CNN report qouted Hillary as saying, "I'm send Bill because he knows how to speak to them and he is carrying my message." I don't know how you take it but you decide. If you have not registered...do it now. If you are not informed....seek answers now. Do the research and make your decision. This is not an endorsement but a challenge to get involved.

PS.......This is News/Events. Todays News is yesterday's history...be careful who writes your history or you may become history.

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I can't leave this alone........
What Church does Hillary Attend? 3 million spent in contribution, but not 1 dollar spent in tithes? McCain.......has never been baptized and refuses to discuss his religion. He has attend 1st Pheonix Baptist church 6 times in three years.....that make him a CME (Christmas, Mother's day, Easter) member.

Bill and Hillary made millions after he left the office. not even a dime recorded in their tax returns to any church?.........hmmmm

Not only were the Obamas ridiculed for attending church, married in a church, baptised in the church, but paid tithes to the chruch. ........hmmmmmm

Obama ends every speech with God bless you........hmmmmmmmm

Who is the best candidate? One who believes in God, trusts in God, prays with God, and knows God. Don't loook for the candidate that trying to get the best photo opportunity by showing up in memphis to celebrate the death of King. One who voted against the holiday and AA every time. or the one who will say anything or become anything to get your vote. (for those of you who forgot.........Hillary didn't march with King.....She did however march in several Homo/Gay pride parades)

We judge not by the person's color of their skin but by the content of their character. Not by what they will promise to do but by their actions.

Obama never promised to be perfect, but he did promise God to be faithful to him (Obama accepted Jesus Christ, Baptized by Rev. Wright) Faithful to his wife and family (Married in the Church) and is a memeber in good standing........Paid his tithes (check out the tax report)

We spend all our energy attempting to find fault......and the truth slips past our own eyes.
I can't leave this alone:::
Young man It is NOT about church attendance, for the greatest servants of YAHweh throughout the Scriptures NEVER attended any instutitional paganized church as we have today.

WHY?...Because 90% of them Violate the Mitzvot of G-D....and any real watchman of YAHweh would never set foot in them...Unless sent in to correct.

Harlotry from the pulpits and sexual misconduct within the walls is not Kosher to the Master...Judgement is coming to the out of order house.

The Real Issue;...
Is the Heart turned toward G-D....In Hebrew that is TESHUVA

It does not take a REV. title of some form to serve the Master which all you young men seem to need on here,... It does take more than you are willing to give which is your very life...laid down, given over, stripped down of worldly implements and then raised up in HIS perfection.

In simple terms RIPPED, STRIPPED & TRIPPED to your own Cross.

The real problem in a nut-shell is folks like you need a physical leader because you yourself have not gone to the Mountain and Become a leader.

Shema Israel, Iam that Iam "Eheyeh Ashur Eheyeh",...But because you cried out for a King of Flesh,... here comes your King....Mr "O"..~~."But you may not like it when your five year old grandchild is being indoctrinated in school against your values...unless of course you might think learning perverted sex techniques is ok at that age.
It goes on you know
Sorry to be of trouble:::I am getting ready for Aliyah.

Then it happened, when Achav saw EliYAHu, that Achav said to him, "Is that you, O trouble of Israel?" And he answered, "I have not troubled Israel, but you and your father's house have, in that you have forsaken the commandments of Ha’Shem, and you have followed the Baal’s.
Now therefore, send and gather all Israel to me on Mount Carmel, the four hundred and fifty prophets of Baal, and the four hundred prophets of Asherah, who eat at Izevel's table." So, Achav sent for all the children of Israel, and gathered the prophets together on Mount Carmel.

And EliYAHu came to all the people, and said, "How long will you falter between two opinions?
If Ha’Shem is G-d, follow Him; but if Baal, then follow him." But the people answered him not a word.
(1 Kings 18:17-21)

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MY QUESTION how long will we play church games and just be sheep?
We are to be like the One who was sent, We are to be a Voice calling for Holiness and Priestly Integrity. Ponder that for a moment and then perhaps we should continue...
We have them outnumbered YAH know...Greater is YAHweh that is within us.

Truth is truth in any language, it always causes upset in the flesh.
A Prophet is never welcome in the midst of carnal confusion.
My brother:
I'm not refering to religion, I am really refering to their relationship.........This is not about the state of the church or the people, for that is on another forum. It is about who is the best out of the choices we have available.

You are valid in your statement of what we are responsible to GOD (by the way, I don't mind spelling his name) but your direction is best dicussed in a different forum. This is "Who is the best candidate forum", if you don't have a opinion then state that as your fact. If you don't like the candidates then state that as your fact.

MY BROTHER how do you say Iron sharpens Iron in Hebrew? It's not our responsibility to berate others while promoting yourself as being so great. You have to be cafeful not to become like the Pharasee who in his prayer stated "at least I'm not like this publican" Your statement about "The real problem" gives the opinion as if you feel you are spiritually elitist.

I'm not attempting to degrade you or anyone, I would rather share Love with you as a spiritual brother, understanding that we all are growing each day we live. Don't make assumptions based on internet conversation that you are greater than any of us, for only GOD is the true judge.

Now, I'm sure you are going to prepare a lengthy response to demo to us your intelligence using big words, Hebrew language, interpeting many scriptures and basically attempting to impress the readers. Question? in the end with all the rhetoric, will you reach someone who is lost or leave the lasting impression that you are way too smart to speak to the common man and we are not worthy to be in your presence. While you are here impressing those who don't feel the need to be impressed, I'm out here in the real world of 2008, doing the Matt. 28:19.....advancing the Kingdom....Join me on the battlefield

Advice: Feed them milk first, then as they develop teeth, they will graduate to eating meat. the key is progress is not instant but gradual.
Ah the Hebrew Idiom of milk,...but first the Honey.
Your point is well taken,.... but through out this discussion Nobody' even yourself who wants to be in the Political arena ever hits the nail on the head..

The reality;.... America Needs a come-uppence.
Really we need to get back to Biblical values and the present world ugliness is much to the fault of the Busy Bodies called American Government.
With-out a doubt Mr "O" could be the next man in the House called white but who is his partner...It may be Hillary...if so i would give mr "O" about 2 years at the most before He is,.. Ah lets say replaced with his running mate...You see it is all about bill getting back in the saddle.
That would take us out,.. lets see six plus years of Hillary and then they would have groomed Arnold S. to take us into the Fourth Reicht.

So whatever happens,... let the Best Man win...
Of course there is always McCain and Ron Paul the only man speaking against the illegel Tax system and the Monsanto corporation alongside of Dow Chemical poisioning the food crops.

So the real issues are not being spoken of by Hillery or Mr "O"

I find it interesting that in Oregon state their is NOT one picture of McCain or Ron Paul in the new election ballot book...not that it matters to most.

IF we would only humble ourselves and seek HIS face..Then Maybe just maybe YAHweh would take down this totaliterian Regime known as American Government.

I for one am self policing and do not need the the NWO gustapo rounding me up because of my beliefs and sticking me in a internment camp for the privledge...See if anybody touches that on in the Next-Debate!!

Shalom....
Very good perception...Yet the real issue is the arrogant politicians the voters of this wonderful country have allowed to rule and rein over them is totally out of control..


Let me ask this If we serve a Soverign god...and the BIBLE is the LAW of which we serve ...Why do we need all this control?

Most of us are self-governing.
They retire and get a quarter of amillion a year you retire and have to work at McDonalds...Does anyone SEE a problem with a 70 YR old woman cleaning up tables at a Billion dollar org just to eck out a measly living..

Is that Not a Mandate of the CHURCH in the Scrolls....To Take care of the widows Children and orphans instead of tithing messages to support the 3 billion infra structure of the so-called church" that is Nowhere commanded in scripture to build.
Anyt way we must be ready for change is in the wind...Hopefully whoever Gets the leadership role Will become a true Leader of YAHweh and restore this country to Biblical values...
Lastly I like Mr "O" He may be a good bet..
BEING IN A GOVERNMENT OFFICE A FEW DAYS AGO; PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE RISING ECONOMY; HOW GAS AND FOOD PRICES ARE GROWING ASTRONOMICALLY; AND THE HEALTH INSURANCE COST OF WHICH PREMIUMS ARE MORE THAN A WEEKS WAGES; ARE UNAFFORDABLE; THEY SPOKE OF THE COST OF THE WAR THAT IS TAKING IT'S TOLL ON THE AMERICAN ECONOMY.

PEOPLE ARE DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE OF PROMISES NOT BEING FULFILLED BY OUR LEADERS, BURNT OUT BECAUSE IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THE NECESSITIES FOR THE HOUSEHOLD, IT REQUIRES A 2ND JOB OR 3 INCOME FAMILY.PEOPLE ARE UNHAPPY ABOUT THE DIRECTION OF OUR COUNTRY, GOOD JOBS; GOOD WAGES ARE NEEDED, A REVISION OF OUR EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM AND COLLEGE AFFORDABLE FOR OUR CHILDREN.
ACCORDING TO THE POLLS; THE AVERAGE POPULOUS ARE CRYING OUT FOR A CHANGE IN OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM.
THIS REMINDS ME OF SCRIPTURE (A MEASURE OF WHEAT FOR A PENNY (THAT PENNY REPRESENTS A DAYS WAGES A DENARIUS UNDER THE ROMAN EMPIRE, A MEASURE IS WHAT WOULD SUPPORT YOU FOR A DAY).WHAT TIME IS IT??? WHERE ARE WE ON GOD'S TIMETABLE OF PROPHESY?

AS FAR AS HILARY SENDING BILL TO SPEAK FOR HER; THIS ONE IS IRONIC BECAUSE WHEN BILL WAS IN OFFICE, AFFORDABLE HEALTH INSURANCE WAS ONE OF THE GOALS FOR HIM TO ATTAIN FOR WORKING FAMILIES; WELL HE DID WORK ON A PROGRAM S-CHIPS DESIGNED 1997; BUT WHERE IS THE HELP FOR THE ONES WHO DID NOT FALL WITHIN HIS SLIDING SCALE OF SUBSIDY; MINDFUL; IT IS A VERY MUCH SO NEEDED PROGRAM AND IS APPRECIATED; BUT WHERE DO THE WORKING CLASS PARENTS FIT INTO A PLAN THAT IS AFFORDABLE WHEN THEY ARE IN NEED OF CARE; OR THE ONES WHO'S INCOME FALL A DOLLAR OR MORE ABOVE THE SCALE OF S-CHIP? WHERE IS THE PROGAM THAT WORKS FOR THEM.

A RADIO TALK SHOW HOST AND NEWS COMMENTATOR; SPEAKING ON A NEWS SHOW SAYING; OBAMA WAS UNFIT FOR PRESIDENCY; THEY USE THE STATMENT THAT- ONE IS KNOWN BY ASSOCIATION; AND THEY REFERENCE THIS TO THE POLITICAL VIEWS OF AMERICA'S DOMESTIC AND FOREIGN POLICIES MADE BY ANOTHER WHOM HE KNEW. HOWEVER OBAMA STRONGLY DISAGREES WITH HIS STATEMENTS. (VIEW OBAMA'S- A MORE PERFECT UNION SPEECH).
IF ONE IS KNOWN BY ASSOCIATION AND UNFIT TO BE PRESIDENT AS MEDIA SUGGEST ,
ARE WE TO COMPARE HILARY ACCORDING TO BILL'S MERITS OR ACCORDING TO HIS IMMORALITY?
SIMILARLY; ARE WE TO JUDGE OBAMA FOR THE VOICE AND ACTIONS OF SOMEONE ELSE?
MEDIA AND MIND PLAY!
WE ARE AT A POINT IN HISTORY WHERE MOST PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED WITH WHO WILL REPRESENT THE BASIC NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE; WHERE THEIR END RESULTS OF WORKING AND BEING PRODUCTIVE CAN JUSTIFY THE MEANS OF THEIR BASIC NEEDS.
BUT IT'S ALL WORK AND NO BENEFITS; IT'S SURVIVAL OF THE RICH AND NOT OF THE POOR; (NO MIDDLE CLASS; IT'S FRUGAL LIFE STYLE FOR THOSE WHO CAN AFFORD IT); REAGANOMICS TOOK CARE OF THAT ONE; IT HAS TRICKLED ON DOWN TO THE HEAD OF IT'S CAMP.

ONE WHO HAS THE BEST COMMON INTEREST OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AS A WHOLE SHOULD BE THE BEST CANDIDATE AND THAT CHANGE WILL COME FROM THE VOTES OF THE PEOPLE AS THE PERSON OF CHOICE.
HOWEVER IT HAS BEEN A SAY AND NOT DO SITUATION? IT APPEARS THAT CANDIDATES SAY THINGS THAT THEY WILL DO BEFORE THEY GET IN THE HOUSE; BUT THEY DON'T KNOW THE POWERS THAT CONTROL THE HOUSE UNTIL THEY GET THERE. THIS WE LOOK AT SPIRITUALLY AND LITERALLY, BECAUSE THE POWER OF GOD IS NOT THE PRIMARY FOCUS OF THE WORLD SYSTEMS. IT HAS BEEN THE GREED AND POWER OF MEN TO A GREAT EXTENT.
AS CHRISTIANS WE PRAY, WE VOTE AND LET OUR VOICE BE HEARD, WE LOVE AND CARE FOR OUR FAMILIES THE BEST WE CAN AND AFTER WE HAVE DONE ALL WE CAN DO; STAND IN THE FAITH AND LOVE OF THE LORD. LISTEN TO OBAMA'S ONE VOICE SPEECH; HIS IOWA VICTORY SPEECH VIEWED BY OVER ONE MILLION PEOPLE ON LINE; THEY BOTH TOUCHED THE HEARTS OF MANY PEOPLE; PARTICIPATING IN A POLITICS OF HOPE.
GOD BLESS
First note: Sis. C. Holman.....God bless you....great comment.

now for the campaigners (complainers) for the revolution

All of you are sooooo funny. We all complain about the election but turn around and pay taxes or if you are lucky to get a refund, run and spend that money on yourself without supporting any of these issues or causes you write so passionly about. It's funny that you can claim the Gov is no good.......where is my check. The candidates are no good.......where is my check. The whole process is a fraud.......has anybody send my check?..........

For those of you who are offended........don't get mad......remember the check. You claim to be militant, down for the cause........then don't spend the check.....rip it up......if you are really real.....

See you at the bank
Wow what a crock of nothing, see you at the bank, whatever, no one was stating militancy. The brother Haasadof (hope i spelled that right) I agree with Brother Moreh, write it in English so they might understand. You see the Sign of the times is here, and no-matter who you vote for, it is not going too mke a difference. I believe tht they who have been called out are just that called out. It is time for the chosen ones too act as they are too be, why argue about some woman and a few men, when you can't even be as you ought. Just another patsy in the game. No one is claiming to be militant, though we are. Militancy comes with intelligence, not stupidity, as in they gonna make a difference,let's vote for them, yet Christ has paid the ultimate price for us to have life and have it more abundantly. Whatever I have a question (HOW LONG WILL YOU HAVE TWO OPINIONS?) DON'T YOU GET IT. NO MAN WILL EVER MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD UNLESS THEY THEMSELVES ARE FOLLOWING CHRIST.
BE CAREFUL WHO YOU MEET AT THE BANK
Interesting Dream last night,... We -[the Sheeple ]-were being rounded up for forced Surgical procedures:::...anybody else???
I have had similar dreams for several nights~~
ALSO has any body seen the FORCED innoculations that are going on in N.J.~ W/ Police authority behind it>>((( If you want more info I can pass it to you )))

Also on the Tenth of this month They [The Controllors] will vote in Making it Mandatory for Forced Innoculations in New York for your Children...and this is not just for the Measels People ...
Would the Watchman Of G-D Please stand Up and say something !


A Friend sent these links~~I thought to pass them on ( as well look for related Vid's)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvtGzYBgH3gTHIS one is a WAKE -UP call.


http://www.infowars.com/?p=2560Hillary and Obama In Secret Bilderberg Rendezvous


Okay, for those who don't know anything about the Bilderberg Group:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HRY7ScuBGcBBC Radio on the Bilderberg Group 2002

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLnFlfhwzLU

CNN - Bilderberg plans for New World Order

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PSL7UugE7s

Bilderberg meeting 2007 Network documentary (English subtitles)

Wake up, Sheeple. Obama is Playing with the most evil people on this planet or he may in fact be innocent...IF not he just another Globalist puppet.

Yopu all want this man as a Leader and I have no problem with that,.. But when Reagan was Pres. somebody TRIED to ...Lets just say replace him.

If Mr "O" gets in then so will Hillery and Bill and the whole gang one big happy family They will all Marry UP...and you are not invited to dinner.

However PLEASE' Pray for Mr "O" if that should happen~~as a man in the Prophetic office, I Can't say more at this time....But Pray for this man and His Family.
what is interesting is that this is the FIRST that I have even heard of Bilderber...
George Orwell~~just change the names in the movie &/book and what do you have.

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