Leaders are supposed to set the example. Why is it that Leaders, YES LEADERS don't tithe? - Black Preaching Network2024-03-29T07:33:36Zhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/forum/topics/916966:Topic:60682?commentId=916966%3AComment%3A60908&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThere is much misunderstandin…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2008-12-05:916966:Comment:2473802008-12-05T16:36:43.764ZEarl D. Raglandhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/EarlDRagland
There is much misunderstanding on this subject. Out of this misunderstanding, many of God's people are either being condemned or condemning others falsely. May God give us clarity and bring us into unity on this matter.
There is much misunderstanding on this subject. Out of this misunderstanding, many of God's people are either being condemned or condemning others falsely. May God give us clarity and bring us into unity on this matter. A portion of the tithe under…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2008-11-27:916966:Comment:2343902008-11-27T18:15:48.746ZEarl D. Raglandhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/EarlDRagland
A portion of the tithe under the Mosaic law was for the support of the Levite tribe who had been set apart by Yahweh as those who may be called "theocratic government employees."<br />
Of course I am speaking here of the priesthood.<br />
Somehow the giving of a portion of fruit, meat, and vegetables has been "interpreted" by many church leaders as the "paying" of money.<br />
I make regular automobile PAYMENTS for the debt owed for my car. These installments are not "gifts."<br />
Jesus commanded us to GIVE. The…
A portion of the tithe under the Mosaic law was for the support of the Levite tribe who had been set apart by Yahweh as those who may be called "theocratic government employees."<br />
Of course I am speaking here of the priesthood.<br />
Somehow the giving of a portion of fruit, meat, and vegetables has been "interpreted" by many church leaders as the "paying" of money.<br />
I make regular automobile PAYMENTS for the debt owed for my car. These installments are not "gifts."<br />
Jesus commanded us to GIVE. The Apostles instructed us to GIVE. The Apostles never demanded "monetary" payment of any amount at any time during the course of their ministries.<br />
The true people of God are prompted to give out of an eternal "debt of love". This is why Paul says in Romans 13:8 that we should "owe no man anything but to love one another." In so doing, says Paul, we have fulfilled the law.<br />
It is clear to me that believers ought to GIVE money in this modern economy, but if you insist on practicing the Israelite tax formula, then make this "PAYMENT" (which God has not required) in fruit, meat, and vegetables. And by the way, please stop requiring these payments from those for whom, under the ancient law, they were designed by Yahweh to benefit. Take a portion of these tithes over to the department of Social Services and find out how many orphans you may be able to bless. There are many widows and widowers in the local churches who are required to PAY the "tithe" when they should in fact, be the benefactors. How about immigrants? Are we setting aside a portion of the "tithe" for them? (See Deut 14:28-29)<br />
The United States government IS NOT A THEOCRACY but it does provide a system of support, though imperfect, for the elderly, the poor, the legal immigrant, and others through its tax system.<br />
Every system of government in developed countries has a revenue requirement of it's citizens.<br />
So it was in the ancient world. The tithe was instituted as the tax system for the Israelites.<br />
It was in support of the divinely-instituted "social programs" of the Israelite nation.<br />
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Peace and Love to all God's Family. I agree that if leaders who a…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2008-11-27:916966:Comment:2337512008-11-27T07:57:21.948ZEarl D. Raglandhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/EarlDRagland
I agree that if leaders who advocate tithing teach this old testament principle (which by the way, they don't) they should practice it. If there is a tithing advocate that teaches it according to how it was practiced in the old testament that I've never heard, I apologize. I got saved 39 years ago and I have never heard the doctrine taught according to the old testament formulas to new testament believers.<br />
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Now before you "stone me" please hear me out. I am neither illiterate, nor a novice in…
I agree that if leaders who advocate tithing teach this old testament principle (which by the way, they don't) they should practice it. If there is a tithing advocate that teaches it according to how it was practiced in the old testament that I've never heard, I apologize. I got saved 39 years ago and I have never heard the doctrine taught according to the old testament formulas to new testament believers.<br />
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Now before you "stone me" please hear me out. I am neither illiterate, nor a novice in the scriptures. To suggest that tithing is a new covenant mandate is simply not supported by new testament scripture. The teachings about this subject have been supplanted from their historical roots by many pastors and leaders whose sincerity I do not question.<br />
I don't however, hesitate to say (in love) that to suggest scriptural authority to transfer an ancient Israeli tax system into a new testament law is wrong. To intimidate new testament believers with Malichi 3:14, calling non-tithers "God-robbers) is cruel as well as false.<br />
Somehow, we have taken hold of ideas about historical giving and sacrificing and "conveniently seasoned" them and served them to the new testament church. Tithing: What a "great ommission" by the Apostles if it is binding upon the new testament church. Are we to say that the single offering of a tithe to Melchizedec confirms an ongoing Abrahamic practice? Perhaps it was; perhaps it was not. Scripture supports no conclusion in the matter. Many say Jesus supported it in the gospels which we locate in our bibles in the new testament. This does not however, make it new testament teaching since in truth, the new testament does not go into affect until AFTER THE DEATH OF THE TESTATOR. (see Hebrews 9:16 &17.) The local church is NOT the "spiritual equivalent' of the old testament storehouse. Pastoral leadership is NOT the "spiritual equivalent" of the old testament priesthood. For goodness sakes, the whole Body of Christ is the "Royal Priesthood"! Now THAT IS scriptural and contextually sound (see 1 Peter 2:9)<br />
Please understand me here brothers and sisters. I am not opposing any believer for giving in the service of God at whatever percentage of their substance they choose. I DO biblically oppose any who deny the requirement of all believers to support the work of God.<br />
What I am opposing in this discussion is the widespread unscripturally supported teaching on the subject of tithing.<br />
I welcome your response. This is something that is nev…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2008-03-13:916966:Comment:714042008-03-13T21:26:17.494ZJohnhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/John
This is something that is never discussed. The Bible only talks to three groups of people, the Jew/Hebrew, Gentiles and the Church from what I can tell. There are only two groups in the world, the believers and the non believers. It's called keeping things in context and rightly dividing.
This is something that is never discussed. The Bible only talks to three groups of people, the Jew/Hebrew, Gentiles and the Church from what I can tell. There are only two groups in the world, the believers and the non believers. It's called keeping things in context and rightly dividing. Does being called Pastor, or…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2008-03-13:916966:Comment:713932008-03-13T21:01:46.070ZAdrian Lamar West Sr.http://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/ministerwest07
Does being called Pastor, or any other make one the only leader, I have not seen yet where we are too hold any accountable for Tithing o the lack thereof. If you tithe continue, if you don't be able too answer if asked why,<br />
And then agin as we study so much of this the Word of God, realize who God is talking too. for the book of Malachi, is written too the Priests, and the Leaders of the house of Jacob, Start at chapter 1, and then read on until you reach chapter 3, then you can rightly discern…
Does being called Pastor, or any other make one the only leader, I have not seen yet where we are too hold any accountable for Tithing o the lack thereof. If you tithe continue, if you don't be able too answer if asked why,<br />
And then agin as we study so much of this the Word of God, realize who God is talking too. for the book of Malachi, is written too the Priests, and the Leaders of the house of Jacob, Start at chapter 1, and then read on until you reach chapter 3, then you can rightly discern the truth of the matter, and then get yourself a concordance and read all you can about giving, and most of all start too do what you know too do, and then continue to do so.<br />
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Min. A.L. West Sr. Obedience is the Main Factor.…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2008-03-12:916966:Comment:710572008-03-12T01:10:12.802ZShekinahLifehttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/YaaKovandHadassahT
Obedience is the Main Factor.<br />
The Tithe in Malachai is a Tithe of tillage~~~<br />
Reference back to Nehemiah~~ When the Harlotry was going on what did he do,,...simple,... he replaced the Grain offering..<br />
He did not tell the People they were in a bad way because they did not give YAHweh all the Gold and Jewels in their home.<br />
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Duet 10:17 ststes that G-D does not take a bribe,,... yet Christians are told time and time again,.... it moves the Hand of G-D...Get your Check books ready G-D is going to…
Obedience is the Main Factor.<br />
The Tithe in Malachai is a Tithe of tillage~~~<br />
Reference back to Nehemiah~~ When the Harlotry was going on what did he do,,...simple,... he replaced the Grain offering..<br />
He did not tell the People they were in a bad way because they did not give YAHweh all the Gold and Jewels in their home.<br />
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Duet 10:17 ststes that G-D does not take a bribe,,... yet Christians are told time and time again,.... it moves the Hand of G-D...Get your Check books ready G-D is going to payy all your Bills....Give me a break<br />
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<i><b>You can give away 100.000.00 dollars and still go thru the desert,..or wilderness~ BECAUSE HE wants to produce from you,.. by Obedience to Him and HIM alone....a sweet smelling Fragrance.<br />
EzekiEL20:41-42</b></i><br />
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No it is not your "Tithe" that does it ,... <b>A Contrite Heart Moves the Hand of G-D coupled with OBEDIENCE to Torah Truth...</b><i>Somebody ought to teach that one..</i><br />
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Messiah only Taught from the Torah the Basics,... and That my friend is what The Master is trying to do even now in this time and Hour~~~ Bring HIS children back to Biblical Basics..<br />
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Search the Roman Church { The Imperial Church of ROME'~ as It was then named} and You will find the Tithe as it is taught today.. It was Instituted to pay the Priests and then it was abolished only to return to it after a few years.<br />
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All of this was, Some 400 years after the Messiah was Killed by Rome..and friends of Rome.<br />
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NOW the TEMPLE offering is another teaching,.. we can discuse at a later time...<br />
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People,. it is time to read read read your Bible until it becomes seamless within you...Then the TRUTH will set you free.<br />
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Shalom,....Rabboni Ya'aKov bin Adonai"~~~~A sephardic Jew, I should know.and do know. HIS way's are Higher than Your ways.... Woman of this is such an awso…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2008-03-11:916966:Comment:710082008-03-11T22:09:56.936ZProphet A D Stokeshttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/prophet1
Woman of this is such an awsome,Discussion that really I believe that it needs to be inforced more in the body of Christ so many people think that just your tithes is all it takes but your tithes is what you owe according to malicah 3:10, but as you read down it talks about rebuking the devour,but when you don'nt tithe you allow your seed to be uncovered,so alot of people are given with out (tithe), and thinking that there doin something,and some are prospering thing but are dieing spiritually…
Woman of this is such an awsome,Discussion that really I believe that it needs to be inforced more in the body of Christ so many people think that just your tithes is all it takes but your tithes is what you owe according to malicah 3:10, but as you read down it talks about rebuking the devour,but when you don'nt tithe you allow your seed to be uncovered,so alot of people are given with out (tithe), and thinking that there doin something,and some are prospering thing but are dieing spiritually so there is a misunderstanding about tithes and offering,the we really need to be very strategic about,and not be afraid to let the people now whats really goin on in not just things but in there life period The Apostle Paul said beloved I pray that you prosper ,be in good health even as you soul prosper, so we as leaders really need to take this tthis heart,and watch this not wait for our Apostle,or senior pastor to do this is a time now for all the leaders to sand and be example's for real AMEN So as too speak of tithing, W…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2008-03-01:916966:Comment:674962008-03-01T00:53:03.305ZAdrian Lamar West Sr.http://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/ministerwest07
So as too speak of tithing, What happened too just plain ole' giving' Luke 6:36, as a matter of fact the 6th chapter of Luke has alot too say on the subject of how too, and how too be blessed by this simple teaching. We have become so consumed with the tithing aspect as it pertains too serving God, that it comes off as if we are lifting Mammon, instead of Jesus. So what if others do not believe as we do, let them work that out themselves, continue too do what is taught.<br />
And as we learn and can…
So as too speak of tithing, What happened too just plain ole' giving' Luke 6:36, as a matter of fact the 6th chapter of Luke has alot too say on the subject of how too, and how too be blessed by this simple teaching. We have become so consumed with the tithing aspect as it pertains too serving God, that it comes off as if we are lifting Mammon, instead of Jesus. So what if others do not believe as we do, let them work that out themselves, continue too do what is taught.<br />
And as we learn and can teach so much on tithing, remember the poor widow and her mites. I agree with what you say and…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2008-02-29:916966:Comment:673942008-02-29T21:02:59.140ZJohnhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/John
I agree with what you say and by no means was anything directed at you. To me tithe means not necessarily to give to the church so it can fill the ministers pockets. I mean if it is from your heart and not that it is a mandatory thing but as you stated from your free will to give. I tithe to things such as St Jude's for cancer research for those children suffering. I tithe to those that are truly needing to help in true missonary work around the world. To help the homeless as I can. To me that…
I agree with what you say and by no means was anything directed at you. To me tithe means not necessarily to give to the church so it can fill the ministers pockets. I mean if it is from your heart and not that it is a mandatory thing but as you stated from your free will to give. I tithe to things such as St Jude's for cancer research for those children suffering. I tithe to those that are truly needing to help in true missonary work around the world. To help the homeless as I can. To me that is giving back to God. I'm not interested in lining a ministers pockets please believe that. You giving something Benny H., please, no way! I remember Fred Price growing up in LA as a youngster doing wrong things and rememeber also what he use to do and be like in those days. I have no desire to put men on a pedestal what so ever. I never feed those egos in some churches. No respect of persons in making them better than someone else. God bless. Nice Perception,...and Yes it…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2008-02-29:916966:Comment:673872008-02-29T20:41:45.825ZShekinahLifehttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/YaaKovandHadassahT
Nice Perception,...and Yes it is ONE seamless garment in its complete TRUTH.<br />
Now it would seem we Missed the Point of the ONE time "Tithe" of Avraham point..moreover,.. The Tithe is a Tithe of Tillage..in Most of the texts..so your statement of "GREED" needs to be explored more deeply, For the Flesh Profits us nothing. and many well meaning men and women are motivated by their Position of their personal ministry, than the TORAH truth of YAHweh...or so it would seem.<br />
As I have done some serious…
Nice Perception,...and Yes it is ONE seamless garment in its complete TRUTH.<br />
Now it would seem we Missed the Point of the ONE time "Tithe" of Avraham point..moreover,.. The Tithe is a Tithe of Tillage..in Most of the texts..so your statement of "GREED" needs to be explored more deeply, For the Flesh Profits us nothing. and many well meaning men and women are motivated by their Position of their personal ministry, than the TORAH truth of YAHweh...or so it would seem.<br />
As I have done some serious Research in my three decades+ of Servanthood unto the Master...I asked Him to take Me on the journey to Emet = [ truth] it has been a ride for sure....<br />
In 1989 I was litterly taken UP a mountain for a talk so to speak..and seen much of what is coming forth at this hour..Faithfulness and Obedience was the Topic. from HIM to me....and still is My Foundation as a sagan Priest unto YAH'shua.<br />
With that My perception,... May be a little different than somebody who teaches or Hears each week the Gotta Tithe Message or G-D will something or other...to you.<br />
Or that other Lie, You are being Whipped by G-D because you don't..<br />
The real reason most folks go through things is for one they in some way are in disobedience to the Covenant TEN" those foundational words of YAH" given to Moshie at Mt Horeb.<br />
The Children accepted the Marital Covenant,at Sinai,... and said in return WE will do all the He' say's to do ...Of course, We know they failed as we fail in our daily walk.<br />
I think we all put our pants on one legg at a time,.. in otherwords No one is greater than the other.<br />
Personally, I do Not take a Tithe from anybody...The free-will offering Shual' Speaks of is another offering form ,and is not gathered by inticing words and Plans of mere men...It is gathered by the Ruach Ha'Kodosh, placed upon the hearts of men, who in there faithfulness to YAHweh' Obey, and give.<br />
Not that I do not understand the reasons As I was groomed to be a W.O.F. Evangelist and Hung out with all the Big boys, Phillip Guedeux, Fred Price, Happy Caldwell, Tom Tiemans, Morris Cerriulo, Dwight Thompson , Casey treat,.add another hundred or so It means Nothing,... and the Plaque on tthe wall" The Master reproved me Strongly for that one,...it means Nothing but PRIDE.<br />
For one The children are being taken OUT of the teachings of Rome, and Being~ Re-Trained to assume their rightful position according to their respective BloodLines in the Covenant promise.<br />
Ther is only One more Temple To Be Built and that is in T'Syion [ Zion]<br />
Theirfore the Tithe of the Three Billion$$$ or so Dollars gathered in American Churches yearly would be better invested, IF we would teach the Children to Be Living Epistles In and Among the people with HIS covenant word Breaking Bread ,House to house, in Biblical Fellowship. Like the Book of ACTs set forth. [ Just My Opinion ]<br />
Please Do - Not run all over me and say I do not know HOW to give, as I have given more than a Million away and have wrote some hefty checks to Ministries..Even personally handed Benny H. Ten Thousand,$.... I am sure he needed it....LOLOLm....Now where were we....<br />
The Tithe was instituted into the church of Christology {I don't have my notes handy]} by the Imperial Church of ROME [RCC] in approx 368 AD or a little later" [ I could look that up]..and then they abolished it for a number of years .<br />
However in there desire to Compensate the Priests,... It was re-Instituted and has continued ever since...[This is RESEARCHABLE facts = Catholic History]<br />
I have a book being published "Treading Out (of) the Quagmire" which has all this info..and was researched painstakenly over many years.<br />
To Truly Trust G-D,...Must come into Alignment with HIM,... and only Him,... forsake the Divisions and Denominational upset...and Read, Read, read. the Scrolls of Adonai" Until His Seamless Garment { His Word]Fits You Completely and Absolutely.<br />
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YAHweh" does Not take a Bribe ~~~Read Duet:10:v17~~~