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“. . . and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.” (Genesis 3:16)

What does it mean that the husband “shall rule over thee” (the wife) within the context of the garden story?

Yet, even God cannot command “desire.” If He could or was willing to do so, surely as Christians we know he would command full acceptance by all of Christ as Lord and Savior. Yet even in the face of eternal damnation He does not. Further, to desire is an emotion. The word “desire” is defined in the Hebrew as “longing” or even “stretching out” after a thing or person. It is based upon a root word meaning to “overflow” as in water. It is a place of mind which is not (within its inception) achievable based upon command.

In fact to rightly interpret this area of scripture one must first hearken back to Genesis 2:24. It is here where we learn what the God-desired actions of a husband should be toward his wife; that he is to “cleave unto his wife” so that the two may be of one flesh. The word “cleave” is defined in the Hebrew as to “cling,” to “adhere,” to “follow close (hard after), be joined (together).”

Please note, this is expressed as an action word, a verb and is totally and completely obtainable based upon command and obedience. That is, it is God’s desire in marriage that a man should cling to and follow close and even hard after (underline mine) his wife. Of course within the context of the garden story, it was Eve who alone had regard for making right confession before God so it is totally appropriate that Adam was to cleave and to follow hard after her. However, that is an aside to the point I am seeking to make at this time.

So we know right now that “desire” is an emotion not capable of achieving upon command and yet to “cleave” is an action totally capable of achieving upon command. That a husband shall “rule over” a female must be defined within the right context of the garden story. That is, given the unrighteous state of the man Adam, that he denied Eve her God-given name and therefore also identity (as the two are related) and that he lied about his own name to her, and that he saw fit to allow her to even die by not interfering and correcting her knowledge regarding the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, Eve understandably no longer desired to be with Adam. So when God says that the man shall nevertheless “rule over” her it is a prophetic statement by God completely rooted in affairs of the heart within the confines of a marriage. God was in fact telling Eve that she would one day heal and desire to have this man again. Period, nothing more nothing less.

Specifically, as a now punished but changing Adam began to obediently “cleave” to his wife as a “husband” (and please note, according the Hebrew, Adam is never defined in name as acting as a husband to Eve, he is only defined as a “man” in the name of “Adam.”) the very heart of Eve would itself begin to change and instead of now hating or at least not desiring this man, she would begin to forgive and open her heart to receive him once more. Adam had to be obedient unto God first as a husband (that is “cleave”) before the female Eve could allow her emotions (hence “desire”) for this now cleaving man to “rule over” her earlier desire to simply hate or not forgive him. It was a twin deliverance rooted in the heart for both of them.

Therefore it is once again proven that God did not establish and elevate the place of a man even as a husband to “rule over” the place and position of a female even as a wife.

Please respond about how you discern this directly based upon scripture and not tradition and unsupported rhetorical statements. I realize what I have is not familiar but we can still be civil. If you don’t agree then credibly tell me why and what you specifically don’t agree with. I, like Eve, am personally also “longing” to hear your answers. <:

My scripture references to the Hebrew are from the Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible.

Tags: Adam, Bible, Eve, Genesis, God, Judgment, authority, garden, man, rebellion, More…scripture, woman

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I read your first disscussion on this topic, and I just read this one. I dont fully understand what point you are attempting to prove with these two posts could you please clarify for me.
I personally have never posted on this topic before, the majority of my earlier postings have all centered upon Genesis 2:23 which (although also pertaining to the garden) is a completely different subject area. My point in this post is to discuss the meaning of this particular area of scripture within the context of the garden story. That is all. I have stated what I fully believe to be true in scripture above. How do you discern it in light of the Hebrew and do you believe Genesis 2:24 is a relevant factor in doing so? Why or why not?
In re-reading my posts, perhaps you are referring to my references regarding what I find is true according to a literal read of the scripture about Adam. And yes that is another subject but it is referenced in order to fully explain why even God would find it necessary to acknowledge within this verse that Eve no longer had desire for Adam. I am stating that you cannot command desire and that God states this is to bring our attention to the fact that given the true circumstances of the garden, Eve no longer desired a dark and now still rightly un-confessed Adam. He was telling her that as Adam began to see a change her heart in turn would also change and turn not still against but for this man Adam. In this way a now changed Adam would be able to "rule over" the former desires of Eve's heart which were leading her not to desire this man.

If my earlier writings on Adam is what is in question for you yet still (and I strongly suspect that to be the case) then please explain why Genesis 3:16 is couched according to the words of God the way it is. Further, given that the female alone is rewarded in both name and title in the garden (Genesis 3:20), why would God even do this if she rebelliously sought not to love or walk in right relationship with Adam? God does not honor the evil. And while never referring to Adam as a husband the garden word refers to Eve as a "wife" five times. She was established and seeking to walk in right relationship with Adam. Which is what brings us back to Genesis 3:16, why is it then that post-fall Eve did not still desire Adam? Why did God have to prophetically tell her that one day she would again? This woman was just honored by God in Genesis 3:20 with the name of "Eve" (life-giver) and the title "mother of all living", a like title (speaking to her confessed spiritual state) not also earned by an un-confessed Adam who would go on to physically father every one of her children. So even in 3:16 she was in right standing before God, yet without desire for Adam. God was speaking compassionately to her. Something was terribly wrong.

I am however hoping to focus on Genesis 3:16 in this post but will discuss any matters in reference to it as they arise. Hope this helps.
Sister Dawn Davidson said:

“…That a husband shall “rule over” a female must be defined within the right context of the garden story…”

However, Brother Paul said: “A woman should learn in quietness and full SUBMISSION. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing - if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety”.

1Timothy 2: 11-15

Can you tell me why speaking about authority and women SUBMISSION to men, Brother Paul referred to Genesis 3: 16?

Please, did Brother Paul provide a wrong context to support his saying?

Moreover, Brother Paul said:

“For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command. If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored.”

1 Corinthians 14: 33-38

Women “…must be in SUBMISSION, as the Law says…”

Can you tell me which law Brother Paul was referring to when speaking about women SUBMISSION in the congregations of the saints?

Wasn’t Brother Paul referring again to Genesis 3: 16?

Here again, did Brother Paul provide a wrong context to support his statement?

Sister Dawn Davidson said again:

“In fact to rightly interpret this area of scripture one must first hearken back to Genesis 2:24. It is here where we learn what the God-desired actions of a husband should be toward his wife; that he is to “cleave unto his wife” so that the two may be of one flesh. The word “cleave” is defined in the Hebrew as to “cling,” to “adhere,” to “follow close (hard after), be joined (together).”

I do agree with her. I will provide scriptures to support Genesis 2: 24 and explain it clearly.

Indeed, Brother said:

« 22Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26to make her holy, cleansing[a] her by the washing with water through the word, 27and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church- 30for we are members of his body. 31"For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh."[b] 32This is a profound mystery-but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband”.

Ephesians 5:22-33

Dear sister, let me tell you that Brother Paul knew the Garden story, even he quoted Genesis 2: 24 in these terms:

"For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh” Ephesians 5: 31.

The man must be united to his wife, however Genesis 3:16 is still in force today. Amen!

Indeed, Brother Paul said:

“Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should SUBMIT to their husbands in everything”

Ephesians 5: 22-24

The man is to “cleave unto his wife” so that the two may be of one flesh, however Genesis 3: 16 is still in force today.

The husband is the head of the wife at home or the man is the head of the woman in the congregations.

WOMEN SHOULD SUBMIT TO MEN BOTH AT HOME AND IN THE CONGREGATIONS. NO ONE CAN CHANGE THIS ORDER. GOD IS NOT A GOD OF DESORDER BUT OF PEACE.

Jesus- Christ is to “cleave unto his wife, the church so that the two may be of one flesh, however Jesus- Christ is the head of the church forever. No one can change this order.

Please consider this comparison.

“Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God”.

Corinthians 11:3

THE HEAD OF THE WOMAN IS MAN. NO ONE CAN CHANGE THIS ORDER.

THEOLOGIANS CAN NOT CHANGE THIS CONTEXT OF THE GARDEN STORY. IT IS STILL IN FORCE TODAY.

THUS, A WOMAN SHOULD NOT OVERSEE A CHURCH.

Please, pay attention to Brother Paul’s warning:

“If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command. If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored”1 Corinthians 14: 37-38.

It is the Lord's command and no one can change it.

The Bible says that “…women will be saved through childbearing - if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety” (1 Timothy 2:15).


Women should be MOTHERS. This is their true position according to holy Scriptures.

Women’s place is behind. They should leave the Pulpit to men; otherwise they serve God outside of his will.

Please, search and read my message entitled:

“WOMEN OF GOD, ARE YOU REALLY CONSCIOUS OF THE KEY ROLE THAT YOU OUGHT TO PLAY IN THE BODY OF CHRIST?”

Blessings,

Bro. Germain

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www.myspace.com/wawesan
Dear Bro. Germain,

If the garden story has any authority at all then Bro. Paul was mistaken in submitting to the traditional interpretation of this word.

You wrote:

However, Brother Paul said: “A woman should learn in quietness and full SUBMISSION. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing - if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety”.

1Timothy 2: 11-15

Can you tell me why speaking about authority and women SUBMISSION to men, Brother Paul referred to Genesis 3: 16?

Please, did Brother Paul provide a wrong context to support his saying?


Clearly from my own writings I believe he was mistaken, he was in fact highly mistaken regarding his own understanding of the garden word. I am sorry, I do not worship the words of Paul only the God who gave the word which even Paul first received. Whatever Paul says must also line up with the accurate interpretation of the garden. He was wrong by not correctly stating that Adam was not only the first to be deceived, and not only the first fallen person in the earth, but also that Adam was the only fallen and un-confessed person emerging from the garden! Do I have a hard time believing that the mind of a first century man (even of Paul) in this area could be mistaken in such matters? Absolutely not.

You wrote:

1 Corinthians 14: 33-38

Women “…must be in SUBMISSION, as the Law says…”

Can you tell me which law Brother Paul was referring to when speaking about women SUBMISSION in the congregations of the saints?

Wasn’t Brother Paul referring again to Genesis 3: 16?

Here again, did Brother Paul provide a wrong context to support his statement?


As you may know my ministry is specifically regarding the garden word, however for a different take even on such writings by Paul, let me refer you to Bro. Stephen Gola who very ably points out the inconsistencies within the interpretation of this particular letter, that in many parts, including the verse you are referencing, Paul was merely repeating within the body of his letter what were the questions asked by the church originally writing to him. What he is able to prove is that these were not his opinions (Paul) but only as a point of reference in writing did he himself repeat them in framing his own answer. In fact the entire article is a good read. You may find his writings at: http://www.gracecentered.com/women_in_ministry.htm.

Further, you get no argument from me in that Paul knew Genesis 2:24 to quote it. Paul was a highly learned and gifted man and one commendable I also believe to have himself included women in his ministry. But even Paul was only working with what he had and while he did most critically have the revelation of Jesus as Christ, he did not have the truth of the garden.

Keep in mind also when you quote Genesis 2:24 it was the flesh of Adam alone that was rejected not Eve’s (God cut the flesh of Adam and used only his bone – please explain this.). Also, the use of the term “man” in the instance of this verse is defined in the Hebrew as “mighty,” a “champion” and most importantly as a “husband” given the context of this verse. Yet, please note, the only “man” a garden Adam qualified as was a “man” only as defined in the name of “Adam” meaning to be made to be humiliated and ashamed. This verse isn’t even referring to the accurate status of a garden Adam. It was inserted by Moses for future generations given that a “husband” is not what the garden man Adam would be to “Woman.” She was a female only correctly named by a God compelled Adam as “Eve” post-fall in Genesis 3:20. Now why do we all know her as “Eve” today and not “Woman?” It is because the name “Eve” and not “Woman” was designed by God as her name from the word go in the garden. The ultimate work of the enemy through Adam did not stand.

Adam, also in rejecting his own name and calling himself “Man” instead, got it all wrong for both himself and the female. But I notice you are not addressing these issues. But is it right to dismiss what was in the actual mind of God within the garden and to instead exalt the words of a man, yes even Paul, which don’t themselves seem to line up with previous scripture in order to support our own agenda’s? Is that right? Are we not taught even in Timothy (which you quote) to study the word to show ourselves approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth? We must do so also in the garden and hold all else in right account. If Paul believed that there might in fact be a higher revelation available in his day, I believe the last thing he would do is ignore it.

You wrote:

The Bible says that “…women will be saved through childbearing - if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety” (1 Timothy 2:15).


So are women who are unable to bear children, or women who are unmarried and obediently therefore not bearing children, or even women who are married yet in agreement with their husbands by choice remaining childless, on a fast-track to hell? I mean no disrespect but the question does require an answer. It seems we are left with very few options. And what happens if we marry a man who is unable to give us children? What then, are we still the ones to go to hell for it? As a matter of fact, my best-friend who is married and by choice without children just delivered the Resurrection Day sermon at her church, will she go to hell twice then? Of course I am being facetious also but I am trying to get you to see how ridiculous it is.

You wrote:
Women should be MOTHERS. This is their true position according to holy Scriptures


And if I am not a mother, then what? And if I cannot be a mother yet desire to be, please imagine the level of anguish saying something, or worse yet teaching something like this creates. Have you ever suffered with a woman through a miscarriage or with one unable to conceive? And yet you would say this is God? I don’t understand that.

Peace and love,

Dawn
Dear sister Dawn Davidson,

Peace and love to you too!

However, let me tell you that you are not entrusted with the Gospel.

I will refute your false teaching. I am very busy this week, but I will do it for fear that you mislead the women.

Peace and love to you again, but wait and see!

Have a good week-end!

Bro. Germain

www.tagworld.com/srobouay
www.myspace.com/wawesan
Bro. Germain,

Ok that is fine just be sure it is word based and specifically pertaining to the garden word. Please try to keep in mind the particular topic of this discussion as well.

Hope you have a good weekend too!

Dawn
OK!
Dear sister Dawn Davidson,

You say that your ministry is specifically regarding the garden word. So, you ask me to refer to Stephen Gola’s teaching.

Well, lest us analyze Stephen Gola’s teaching first, then we will tackle your false doctrine, the so called “garden word”.

Indeed, Stephen Gola said:

“…Before we go any further, certain truths must be established:

First, the church is not a building, but God's people as individuals, two or more meeting together creating "church." It's an assembly of believers, collectively the Temple of God (see Colossians 1:24 and 2 Corinthians 6:16).
Secondly, that "there is neither male nor female (in the church): for you are all one (type of being born of God) in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3:28).
The ironic thing is that the Apostle Paul, who wrote these truths stated above, seems to contradict 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 just a few sentences later. Here is the reason for the contradiction: Those statements (Scriptures) in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 never ORIGINATED with Paul. Paul only REITERATED them as a rebuke to the Corinthian church in the letter we now read as Scripture. The Corinthians originally wrote them TO Paul. Paul told them how absurd it was for them to say that the Law commands women to be silent in the church - THEY ARE THE CHURCH. Paul said that they WERE NOT commands from the Lord but "ignorance" of what they were teaching God's people. (We will explore this in a moment)… Are you getting the picture that it really doesn't matter if you are a male or female to operate in the things of God? Do you recall that I pointed out earlier that Paul was responding to the things that the Corinthian church wrote to him? Paul actually used their words in his letter when he addressed some of their concerns and said they were foolish and they weren't of God. We have come to the place of turning the classic bondage Scriptures, 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 into a liberating Scripture for you.

While Paul wrote his response (1 Corinthians) BACK to the Corinthian church, he previously read their letter that they sent to him - 1 Corinthians 7:1, "Now concerning things whereof YOU WROTE UNTO ME...." In fact, he wrote down parts of their letter back to them and rebuked them for their foolish teachings.

Paul established through his entire letter and particularly in chapters 11 thru 14 that there is no difference between a male and female being appointed and/or receiving the gifts, callings and offices of Christ. Before he wrote down their "foolish scripture" that they wrote to him, he wrote this preface: "God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints" (1 Corinthians 14:33). Then in verses 34-35 he repeated what they first wrote to him: "Let your women keep silent in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also says the Law. And if they will learn any thing let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church). Are you getting the picture that it really doesn't matter if you are a male or female to operate in the things of God? Do you recall that I pointed out earlier that Paul was responding to the things that the Corinthian church wrote to him? Paul actually used their words in his letter when he addressed some of their concerns and said they were foolish and they weren't of God. We have come to the place of turning the classic bondage Scriptures, 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 into a liberating Scripture for you.

While Paul wrote his response (1 Corinthians) BACK to the Corinthian church, he previously read their letter that they sent to him - 1 Corinthians 7:1, "Now concerning things whereof YOU WROTE UNTO ME...." In fact, he wrote down parts of their letter back to them and rebuked them for their foolish teachings.

Paul established through his entire letter and particularly in chapters 11 thru 14 that there is no difference between a male and female being appointed and/or receiving the gifts, callings and offices of Christ. Before he wrote down their "foolish scripture" that they wrote to him, he wrote this preface: "God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints" (1 Corinthians 14:33). Then in verses 34-35 he repeated what they first wrote to him: "Let your women keep silent in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also says the Law. And if they will learn any thing let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."

Immediately after Paul wrote this, the next word he wrote was, "WHAT?" (v36). In the Greek, the word "what" is a negative disclaimer. We would say, "What, are you nuts?" Paul said, "What? Came the word of God out from you? Or did it come unto you only?" (v36). Meaning, that the previous statement that he wrote from the letter he received from them referring that women are to keep silent in the church was not from God at all. In fact, it was pure silliness. He just finished writing in a few paragraphs before this what we now know as 1 Corinthians 11:1-16, establishing that when women prophesy, teach or speak in the church they are to have their heads covered. "But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered…." needs to put on her head covering and then it would be acceptable (1 Corinthians 11:5).

Paul goes on to say, "If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that THE THINGS THAT I WRITE UNTO YOU ARE THE COMMANDS OF THE LORD, (NOT THE THINGS THAT YOU WRITE)" (1 Corinthians 14:37). Paul was saying that he was appointed to write the Scriptures and the Commands of God, not the Corinthian church.

Paul continues with: "If any man be ignorant (meaning the person who wrote this stupidity) let him be ignorant (if he does not acknowledge that what he wrote is not from the Lord") (v38).

Paul then closes the subject and firmly establishes about males and females being in ministry and speaking in the church: "Wherefore, brethren (brethren does not mean male, it means 'born out of the womb of God, born again' --- males and females), COVET TO PROPHESY AND FORBID NOT TO SPEAK WITH TONGUES" (v39).

What I have just shared with you ought to have you shouting the praises to God. However, there is one more stronghold of bondage I must bring down before there is TOTAL liberation.

Why has it been a mandate within the church (community) in general to strictly forbid or set great limitations against and even ostracize women from being appointed to and or being accepted as called by God as an apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor, teacher or to move in the gifts of God? The answer is simple: not only have they not understood the Scriptures we just went over, but even more importantly, that THE LORD ALWAYS LAYS A NEW FOUNDATION WITH SPECIFIC MALES FIRST… "

source: http://www.gracecentered.com/women_in_ministry.htm

Dear sister Dawn, unfortunately Stephen Gola’s analysis above is a particular interpretation of the Word of God. The Gospel is not our own word; it’s the Word of God. Consequently, it should not be influenced by our belief, our feeling and our own thoughts.

Let’s see what Paul truly said:

“For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command.”

1 Corinthians 14:33-37

Was Brother Paul in verses 34-35 repeating what Corinthians first wrote to him?

Was Paul referring to “the Corinthian culture and its laws”?

Paul truly said:

1- “As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches”

What Paul said was concerning not only the Church of Corinth but also all churches of the saints in the whole world.

This is a reply to a question and not a reiteration of a question.

But , why did the false teacher Stephen Gola skippe the phrase « in all the congregations of the saints » ? I wonder !

2- “They must be in submission as the Law says.”

The law here is the Law of God. This Law can be found in Genesis 3:16, Ephesians 5:22-24, 1 Peter 3: 1.

This is the reason why the same Paul, speaking about the attitude of the women in the church (1 Timothy 2:11-14) referred to Genesis 3:16.

Paul was not referring to the particular Law of Corinthians. No!

This is a reply to a question and not a reiteration of a question.

The teachings of Paul can never be based on the rules taught by men. Never! I say never!

“They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.”(Mark 7:7)

3- Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached?”

Indeed, The Word of God didn’t originate with Corinthians. Moreover, they are not the only people it has reached. The Word of God is universal and identical for all the congregations of the Saints. Consequently, Paul did not speak about the particular culture of the Corinthians, insofar as there is only one faith (Ephesians 4: 5)

This is a reply to a question and not a reiteration of a question.

4- “The Lord's command”

What Paul did say was not his own opinion; it was the Lord’s command. Amen!

Women of God, Do you really Love the Lord? If you truly love Him, then you should obey His command, for the Lord Jesus said:
"If you love me, you will obey what I command.”

John 14:15

This is a reply to a question and not a reiteration of a question.

Women, do not harden your heart anymore but leave the pulpit to men . Recognize your place! Please recognize that your place is behind! Amen!

The scripture which clearly prohibited the Corinthians and Ephesians women from teaching is the Lord’s command. That is valid for the women of all the congregations of the saints (of any time).

Now, I would like to ask a small question to the false teacher Stephen Gola :

When Brother Paul said : « Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection (1 Timothy 2:11), was he repeating what Timothy first wrote to him ?

Indeed, Stephen Gola said: “In 1 Timothy 2:12, Paul says, "I do not allow a woman (wife) to teach...Nor to usurp authority over the man (husband)." There are two very important things to take notice of in that Scripture.

First, it is Paul's desire and NOT a command of the Lord. Paul always says when it is of him and not the Lord. This is how the Lord was able to trust him in writing the Scriptures---He differentiated between his will and the Lord's will.

Secondly, to usurp authority one must go against the will of another. When the husband recognizes the anointing on his wife to teach, all he has to do is allow her to do so. Then, there is no authority usurped, it is granted.

Any Christian woman, married or unmarried can teach or take part in ministry…”

Dear sister Dawn, let us unmask the false teacher Stephen Gola :

He said :

« Paul goes on to say, "If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that THE THINGS THAT I WRITE UNTO YOU ARE THE COMMANDS OF THE LORD, (NOT THE THINGS THAT YOU WRITE)" (1 Corinthians 14:37). Paul was saying that he was appointed to write the Scriptures and the Commands of God, not the Corinthian church”.

But, surprising as it may seem he asserted this:

“In 1 Timothy 2:12, Paul says, "I do not allow a woman (wife) to teach...Nor to usurp authority over the man (husband)." There are two very important things to take notice of in that Scripture.

First, it is Paul's desire and NOT a command of the Lord. Paul always says when it is of him and not the Lord. This is how the Lord was able to trust him in writing the Scriptures---He differentiated between his will and the Lord's will”.


REMARKS:

- One person: Paul;

- The same topic: the attitude of the women in the congregations

- In one hand, in 1 Corinthians 14:37 Paul was saying that he was appointed to write the Scriptures and the Commands of God, not the Corinthian church”.

- And in other hand, in “In 1 Timothy 2:12, Paul says, "I do not allow a woman (wife) to teach...Nor to usurp authority over the man (husband)." There are two very important things to take notice of in that Scripture.

First, it is Paul's desire and NOT a command of the Lord. Paul always says when it is of him and not the Lord. This is how the Lord was able to trust him in writing the Scriptures---He differentiated between his will and the Lord's will”.

Dear sister Dawn, it’s easy to unmask your false teacher. It’s a small exercise, isn’t it?

Indeed, Brother Paul said:

"To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.

"To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.

1 Corinthians 7:10-14

REMARKS:

- To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord)

-To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord)

Here, Brother Paul was dealing with one topic: the marriage.

But, we notice that the matters to which his desire and that of the Lord apply are different:

- the married (not I, but the Lord)

-the rest (not I, but the Lord)

However, 1Corinthians 14: 34-38 and 1Timothy 2: 11-15 deal with the same topic: the attitude of the women in the congregations.

In 1Corinthians 14: 37, Brother Paul said that it’s the Lord’s command.

He was replying to a question. He was not repeating a question.

In 1Timothy 2: 11-15, speaking of the same topic Brother Paul referred to the Lord’s command, namely Genesis 3:16.

Paul can not change his teaching about the same topic. The Bible is clear!

Also, let me tell you that whatever is written in the Bible is the inspired word of God, may it be the Lord’s command or Brother Paul’s desire or opinion, otherwise the Bible would no longer be our absolute, our compass.

“For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit”.

2 Peter 1:21

Indeed, Brother Paul said :

« But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God ».

1 Corinthians 7: 40

Brother Paul had the Spirit of God. His opinions written in the Bible were inspired by thre Holy Spirit. We must follow them as well.

“Thou hast set at nought all them that wander from thy statutes; for their deceit is falsehood… »

Psalm 119:118

" And Jesus answering said to them, Ye err, not knowing the scriptures nor the power of God...

Dear sister Dawn, I have just sent three E-mails to Stephen Gola and I'm waiting for his insightful answers!

If you know him personaly, please ask him to contact me sothat I can coach him. This man needs to be taught.

Since, I have finished with the false teacher Stephen Gola I will tackle your false doctrine, the so called “garden word”.

Yes, we ought to pay a visit to the Garden. We will scrutinize the book of Genesis to see which doctrine you still preach on the Black Preaching Network.

I must take time to read your messages in order to provide a relevant reply.

Blessings,

Bro. Germain

www.tagworld.com/srobouay

www.myspace.com/wawesan
Brother Germain,

This is written in response to your last posting on Paul and Stephen Gola. As I stated in the beginning, this discussion is rooted in the garden word which even Paul is obligated to first submit to the accurate teaching of in his own personal discernment. I will review the information when I am able and comment back to you but please understand this discussion is not to get lost in a conversation regarding Paul and Timothy. I will wait to read what you do actually post regarding the garden word. I hope it properly addresses in just as much detail as your posting on Paul what were the true issues of the garden (devoid of tradition) and specifically regarding the word/actions of God in contrast to what were the words/actions of what was supposed to be an obedient Adam.

Peace and love,

Dawn
Dear sister Dawn Davidson,

You said:

“ So are women who are unable to bear children, or women who are unmarried and obediently therefore not bearing children, or even women who are married yet in agreement with their husbands by choice remaining childless, on a fast-track to hell? I mean no disrespect but the question does require an answer. It seems we are left with very few options. And what happens if we marry a man who is unable to give us children? What then, are we still the ones to go to hell for it? As a matter of fact, my best-friend who is married and by choice without children just delivered the Resurrection Day sermon at her church, will she go to hell twice then? Of course I am being facetious also but I am trying to get you to see how ridiculous it is…And if I am not a mother, then what? And if I cannot be a mother yet desire to be, please imagine the level of anguish saying something, or worse yet teaching something like this creates. Have you ever suffered with a woman through a miscarriage or with one unable to conceive? And yet you would say this is God? I don’t understand that.

Please, do not take me wrong!

I’ve never said that unmarried women and those who are unable to bear children will go to hell. I’ve never say that!

Women are called to be mothers. It is their attribute, their vocation. For example, a man will never be a mother.

Indeed the Bible clearly states that Adam “called his wife's name Eve; because she was [to be] the mother of all living”.

EVE WAS TO BE A MOTHER.

Let us listen to an extract of Deborah’s canticle:

“Village life in Israel ceased, ceased until I, Deborah, arose a mother in Israel .”

(Judges 5:7)

Deborah arose like a mother in Israel . Yes A MOTHER!

To be good mothers is the true position of the women in the Church of Jesus Christ. This is not a condition for them to be saved.

As good mothers they ought to teach what is good to their daughters.

“Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.”

Titus 2:3-5

Old women should not train the younger women to become pastors or to hold authority over men. But they should teach them to become also good mothers, loving their husbands and children, being self-controlled and pure, being busy at home, being kind, and being subject to their husbands.

Women, this is your role as members of the body of Christ. You have many things to do. Then do not usurp the role of the men.

Not only you must teach the younger women but also your behavior owes to be a preaching for your husbands:

“Wives, in the same way be submissive to your husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, when they see the purity and reverence of your lives. Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes. Instead, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God's sight. For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to make themselves beautiful. They were submissive to their own husbands, like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her master. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear.

1 Peter 3:1-6

This is the truth !

Indeed Brother Paul said:

“But women will be saved through childbearing-if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety”

1 Timothy 2:15

Please, listen: women will be saved… if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

Of course, faith, love and holiness with propriety are the conditions for women to be saved.

Childbearing or to be a mother is a vocation, an attribute (through childbearing) of the women.

All the women are called to be mothers, and they will be saved if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

Do you understand clearly Brother Paul’s statement now?

Please, do not take me wrong!

I’ve never said that unmarried women and those who are unable to bear children will go to hell. I’ve never say that!

Sister Dawn, you said again:

“…If the garden story has any authority at all then Bro. Paul was mistaken in submitting to the traditional interpretation of this word”.

Please, do not take me wrong. I’ve never said that the garden story has any authority at all. However, the problem lies in the fact that you misunderstand the garden story.

You said again:

“Clearly from my own writings I believe he was mistaken, he was in fact highly mistaken regarding his own understanding of the garden word. I am sorry, I do not worship the words of Paul only the God who gave the word which even Paul first received. Whatever Paul says must also line up with the accurate interpretation of the garden. He was wrong by not correctly stating that Adam was not only the first to be deceived, and not only the first fallen person in the earth, but also that Adam was the only fallen and un-confessed person emerging from the garden! Do I have a hard time believing that the mind of a first century man (even of Paul) in this area could be mistaken in such matters? Absolutely not”… But is it right to dismiss what was in the actual mind of God within the garden and to instead exalt the words of a man, yes even Paul, which don’t themselves seem to line up with previous scripture in order to support our own agenda’s?”

Dear sister, my God enlighten you!

WAS BROTHER PAUL MISTAKEN?

Indeed, the Bible declares:

“For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit”.

2 Peter 1:21

Dear sister, if you have rejected the teaching of the Apostle Paul, then you have rejected Jesus Christ Himself.

Because the Lord has ordered us to receive the Word by the ministry of those He has sent: “"He who listens to you listens to me; he who rejects you rejects me; but he who rejects me rejects him who sent me."

Luke 10:16

So then, we ought to regard Brother Paul as a servant of Christ and as one entrusted with the secret things of God. Amen! (1 Corinthians 4:1).

Indeed Brother Paul told Thessalonians:

“And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is at work in you who believe”.

1 Thessalonians 2:13

DID YOU RECEIVE THE WORD OF GOD WHICH YOU HEARD FROM PAUL (1Timothy 2: 11-15, 1 Corinthians 14:33-38)?

DID YOU ACCEPT IT AS THE WORD OF A MAN?

May God open your eyes!

Dear sister, Brother Paul tells you this:

“If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant ».

1 Corinthians 14:37-38

Dear sister, Brother Paul tells you this:

“But if even *we* or an angel out of heaven announce as glad tidings to you [anything] besides what we have announced as glad tidings to you, let him be accursed... »

Galatians 1:8

Dear sister, Brother Paul tells you this:

« …For we are God's fellow-workmen; ye are God's husbandry, God's building. According to the grace of God which has been given to me, as a wise architect, I have laid the foundation, but another builds upon it. But let each see how he builds upon it. For other foundation can no man lay besides that which [is] laid, which is Jesus Christ… »

1 Corinthians 3:9-11

Dear sister, Brother Paul tells you this:

« Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead) »

Galatians 1:1

Dear sister, Brother Paul tells you this:

« But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Galatians 1:11-12

Dear sister, please do not go beyond which is written! Do not do that!

« And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another… »

1 Corinthians 4:1-6

Dear sister, please do not distort the word of God for your own destruction!

Indeed, Brother Peter says that the Apostle Paul’s “letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction ».

2 Peter 3:16

The Bible declares:

« For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables ».

2 Timothy 4:3-4

Dear sister, with all due respect, I would like to tell you that you have turned away your ears from the truth, and you have been turned unto fables!

Yes, your so called « Garden story » doctrine is really a fable!

You do not know the Scriptures! May God enlighten you!

So, let us scrutinize the Garden story!

You say that your ministry is specifically regarding the garden word.

Then, which kind of ministry you have?

Are you specialized in a cemetery (seminary), or a biblical institute?

Indeed, a true ministry that comes from God must be a full ministry, “For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God gives the Spirit without limit (John 3:34).

God gives the Spirit without limit. Amen!

Specializations and ecclesiastic degrees originate from the cemeteries (seminaries), the biblical institutes or the broken cisterns that cannot hold water (Jeremiah 2:13-14).

Question: Was “Adam not only the first to be deceived, and not only the first fallen person in the earth, but also the only fallen and un-confessed person emerging from the garden?”
WHO WAS ADAM?

ADAM was made directly by God from the dust of the earth.
In Genesis 2:7 we read, “And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”

Adam was not born of a woman. He was the first human. In l Corinthians 15:45 we read, “And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul.” Adam was the first man.
God said, “Let us make man in Our image, after Our likeness.” And the Lord God formed man out of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
So God created man in His own image. Adam was an original creature, better, ADAM WAS SON OF GOG (Luke 3:38)
This is an important point by the way, there were no other human beings made alongside Adam.
“The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."

Genesis 2:18

“And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called WOMAN, because she was taken out of Man. ”

Genesis 2: 21

And God said, “A man shall leave his father and his mother and cling to his wife: and they shall be one flesh".

The first woman (the first wife) was made directly from part of Adam. She was not born of a woman either. Adam and Eve were unique. They had evidence that they were the first two people.

The WOMAN is a helper suitable for the MAN.

Indeed, ADAM WAS THE IMAGE AND GLORY OF GOD, BUT EVE WAS THE GLORY OF ADAM.
ADAM DID NOT COME FROM EVE, BUT EVE FROM ADAM, NEITHER WAS ADAM CREATED FOR EVE, BUT EVE FOR ADAM.

This truth can be seen through the following passage:

“A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.

1 Corinthians 11:7-9

Thus, God created them male and female. God named the first man Adam; then later Adam called the woman, Eve.
Genesis 3:20 states: “And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was [to be] the mother of all living.”

Dear sister Dawn said:

“First understand, Eve was a fallen but confessed and rewarded by God female (she was rewarded by God through the mouth of a now compelled Adam in both name and title in Genesis 3:20), she was not punished as was an un-confessed Adam…And finally, why would God curse a female that he himself honored post-fall in both name and title (Genesis 3:20)? How fickle would He be, to put it kindly”.

Now, I would like to ask some questions to you:

The Bible states that God named the first man Adam, why didn’t God also name directly the female before the fall?

Simply because the woman was created for the man.

Adam said: she shall be called WOMAN, because she was taken out of Man.

Simply because Adam was entitled to name all the living creatures:

“Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field. But for Adam no suitable helper was found”.

Genesis 2:19-20

“He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name”.

Since the suitable helper found by Adam was also a living creature, then Adam was entitled to name her also. He said, she shall be called WOMAN because she was taken out of Man.

ADAM was entitled to name his helper before the fall.

Now, after the fall, why didn’t God Himself named directly the woman?

And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was [to be] the mother of all living.

Here we see that God had not withdrawn the right for Adam to name the living creatures including his wife.

If you assert that the name or the title “EVE” was a reward given by God to Eve, you must also be honest to recognize that it was a reward or an honor given to EVE through Adam, her head.

It was not given directly to Eve but to her head, her Chief Adam and the latter “called his wife's name Eve; because she was [to be] the mother of all living”.

Was Adam compelled to call his wife’s name Eve?

Nowhere in the Bible can you find a single verse which supports this erroneous view.

I challenge you to show me a biblical passage proving that Adam was compelled to call his wife’s name Eve.

I challenge you to show me a biblical passage proving that the name Eve was a reward or an honor given by God to Eve.

Adam was entitled to name her and he did it so. Moreover the name EVE meant that she WAS TO BE THE MOTHER OF ALL LIVING.

Please, show me, where is the HONOR?

Please, show me, where is the REWARD?

If child bearing is a reward, then you must recognize that the same reward has been bestowed upon all the women today according to 1 Timothy 2:15

Do you think that the name “WOMAN” was more important than the name “EVE?”

To what extent?

I challenge you to provide a biblical passage proving that Eve was fallen but confessed!

Where did you see Eve’s confession or repentance?

I challenge you to provide a biblical passage proving that Adam was fallen but un-confessed!

Does the Bible clearly say that Adam died impenitent?

Dear sister Dawn, be careful!

The word of God is not a human theory. It’s not a human philosophy. The Word of God needs no interpretation. God is His own Interpreter.

Let us learn to speak when the Bible speaks and keep silent when the Bible is silent on a given matter.

Please, do not go beyond what is written!

Please, do not do that?

Indeed, Brother Paul said:

“Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not take pride in one man over against another”.

1 Corinthians 4:6

What really happened in the Garden?

In the middle of the garden stood two trees: The Tree of Life and The Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil.
And the Lord put man in the garden of Eden to care for everything in it.

Then the Lord God commanded, “You may eat freely from every tree of the garden except for The Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil.You must never eat from that tree. In the day that you do, you will surely die.”

God showed his love for Adam and Eve, by giving them all they needed and more to enjoy life to its fullest.

He also gave them the ability to make choices, and He gave these ancestors of all humankind an opportunity to use this ability wisely. God wanted Adam and Eve to show their respect by obeying His one command, to not eat from just that one tree. Everything else was theirs to enjoy.

To live in peace and happiness in their beautiful garden, Adam and Eve needed only to trust God's wisdom, and respect His authority over them. They should have been grateful for life and happy in their freedom, but freedom to choose does not bring happiness when bad choices are made.

Long before God created humans, He also gave freedom of choice to the angels He had created. God desired honor from these angels, who inhabit the spirit realm, just as He desired honor from people.

Most angels did choose to follow God, and even today these angels worship the Lord and carry out his bidding, helping people in many ways. But other angels made a bad choice. Lucifer's arrogance and pride caused him to lose the honored position above God's throne.

Lucifer fell from heaven for his rebellion, because he had challenged God by saying in his heart, “I will elevate my throne above the stars of God: I will be like the most High God.”

Lucifer, known also in the Bible as the Devil or Satan, desires worship which belongs only to God. Satan deceives people in order to obtain that worship, even masquerading as a beautiful angel of light, but his lies and his false religions cause pain - and suffering -and destruction.

Adam was told he could not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 2:17).

Therefore, if Adam, being the head of the human race, disobeyed, all of his descendants would have to suffer the consequences.

Eve was the one tempted by the serpent, and the one who first ate the forbidden fruit (Genesis 3:6; 1 Timothy 2: 13-15).

“The man said, "The woman you put here with me - she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it." Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?" The woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate."

Genesis 3:12-13

Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?

So, Brother Paul was not mistaken. He was not wrong by stating that Adam was not the first to be deceived. Eve was the first to be deceived. Please read Genesis 3:6. It is so said the Bible.

Even though Eve was the one tempted by the serpent, and the one who first ate the forbidden fruit, Adam is the one who brought sin into the world, because he was the head of the human race and the one to whom the commandment had first been given.

His was guilty because he was the head of Eve, the head of the Garden.. Yes, the man is the head of the woman (1 Corinthians 11:3).

However, he fell from this responsibility for having listened to his wife and ate from the tree about which God commanded him saying: “You must not eat of it”

This is the truth!

Please, “do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar”.

Proverbs 30:6

“To Adam He said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life.”

Genesis 3:17

Of course, even though Eve was the one tempted by the serpent, and the one who first ate the forbidden fruit, Adam is the one who brought sin into the world, because he was the head of the human race and the one to whom the commandment had first been given.

This is the reason why Romans 5:12 states: “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.”

Because of this sin of rebelling against God's law, God cursed the ground (Genesis 3:17), caused thorns and thistles to come forth (Genesis 3:1 8), and introduced death into the world - Adam and Eve died spiritually, and started to die physically.

I challenge you to provide a biblical passage proving that Eve was fallen but confessed!

Where did you see Eve’s confession or repentance?

Why had the so called “confessed” EVE to die physically also?

Why had EVE to die physically?

After her confession, why didn’t God who rewarded her and honored her by compelling Adam to name EVE forgive her also?

Why?

You said: “…First understand, Eve was a fallen but confessed and rewarded by God female (she was rewarded by God through the mouth of a now compelled Adam in both name and title in Genesis 3:20), she was not punished as was an un-confessed Adam”.

I challenge you to provide a biblical passage proving that Adam was fallen but un-confessed!

Does the Bible clearly says that Adam died impenitent?

Dear sister, you said: “Keep in mind also when you quote Genesis 2:24 it was the flesh of Adam alone that was rejected not Eve’s”

However, let me tell you that both Adam and Eve died spiritually, and started to die physically.

The first physical death recorded is that of at least one animal when “unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, end clothed them.” God killed an animal, and shed blood, and gave a covering to Adam and Eve. This is a beautiful picture of something special to come - that shed blood would be a covering because of sin.
Hebrews 9:22 states that “without shedding of blood [there] is no remission.” God requires the shedding of blood for the remission of sins. However, the blood of bulls and goats was not good enough. Because a man brought sin into the world, a man needed to atone - but it had to be a perfect man. If all descendants of Adam now suffered from sin, how could this be accomplished?

God provided a second Adam - a perfect Adam who could be the perfect sacrifice. God himself came to earth as a man.
Indeed, the Bible clearly states that Adam was a pattern of the one to come (Romans 5:14).

Sister, you said:” Keep in mind also when you quote Genesis 2:24 it was the flesh of Adam alone that was rejected not Eve’s”

But why doesn’t the Bible clearly state that the so-called confessed Eve was a pattern of the one to come?

Why?





Dear sister dawn, your opinion about EVE resembles the doctrine of those who worship Mary by raising or exhalting her over Jesus Christ!

You are free to promote Eve, creating a doctrine on her, but you should not rise EVE above Adam. This is not scriptural.

Jesus Christ was born of a woman to become a man so that the perfect sacrifice could be made. Jesus was God, but He was also man as God intended man to be-sinless. He was crucified on the cross of Calvary . He shed His blood and paid the penalty for our sins, and was raised from the dead, conquering death, the judgment which God had brought upon man because of sin.

That is why Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15:20-22: “But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the first fruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.”

We read further in 1 Corinthians 15:45-47:

“So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven”.

1 Corinthians 15:45-47

First Corinthians 15:26 states: “The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.” Death is swallowed up in victory, Paul says. And we can say with him, “O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?” (1 Corinthians 15:55).

Christ has paid the penalty. The last Adam has conquered death and provided a means of deliverance from the first Adam's fall into sin, resulting in separation from God.

Dear sister Dawn, you said:

“This is the beginning of Adam's deception before the female. However, such issues are of an even greater magnitude because not only did Adam reject the will of God in his own name and seek to take that in the garden which did not belong to him in a name, but he also elected to deny the female what was to be her name (as even desired and purposed by God in her creation) as "Eve." Adam was also present in 3:1-6 yet did not to correct thoughts held by the female that the fruit could not be either touched or eaten. Both a silent Adam and the serpent knew the truth only Eve (or now still "Woman") did not. Adam desired the fruit for himself which is the only reason why he did not interfere during the fall of the female right before his eyes. Adam's problem was this, he did not fully believe God and doubted whether or not eating the fruit would surely bring out death. Therefore, why not allow the female to eat it first. If she died then he would at least be rid of one for whom he really did not care for. Yet if she lived then at least he also would know that it was safe for him to also eat of the fruit… »”

Let me tell you that the story above is a fable. It’s your own interpretation of the Word of God.

Indeed, “The man said, "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh;

she shall be called 'woman, for she was taken out of man."

Genesis 2:23

However, you said: “…Therefore, why not allow the female to eat it first. If she died then he would at least be rid of one for whom he really did not care for”.

Was Adam the enemy of EVE? How can Adam refuse to take care of the one who is bone of his bones, flesh of his flesh?

How can a man unite to his wife (they become one flesh) according to Genesis 2:24 and at the same time he refuses to take care of her?

Let me tell you that Adam fell from his responsibility for having listened to his wife and ate from the tree about which God commanded him saying: “You must not eat of it”.

The doubt and the first sin came from EVE according to the Bible.

As for Adam, he sinned for having listened to EVE his wife.

Adam sinned for having listened to his wife.

The Bible does not report any other complaint from God against Adam.

Your statement above is a fable, nothing but a fable.

You said: “…This in fact is why God chastises Adam in 3:17. Yes it is taught that God rebukes Adam for obeying, (hearkening) unto to his wife, but from the reality of what we now know, we can recognize that God knew what we did not all along. And that is that Adam remained silent in an effort to ascertain whether or not God was a liar and whether or not he in fact was safe to eat of the fruit. Adam did this at what could have been the very expense of Eve's physical life as well. That is, Adam "hearkened unto the voice" of his still living wife, yet not in obedience but in blind self service only. At this moment in the mind of Adam, God was in fact a liar…”
“Yes it is taught that God rebukes Adam for obeying, (hearkening) unto to his wife, but from the reality of what we now know, we can recognize that God knew what we did not all along”

Sister, let me tell you that your so called reality is a fable. Do you intend to insinuate here again that the writer of the book of Genesis was mistaken?

Where did you find this revelation which doesn’t line up with the Holy Scriptures?

Dear sister, please hear the worry of Brother Paul:

“But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ”.

2 Corinthians 11:3

Sister Dawn, it sounds like you have been deceived by the Devil as Eve was.

I pray that your minds may not somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ.

May God open your eyes?

Sister Dawn, you said:

“My position is that after the fall, Eve came to fully understand all that was perpetrated against her by the enemy through Adam. The only thing they really had in the garden was identity and truth, the two very things that a disobedient Adam thought nothing of lying, suppressing and manipulating to benefit his own ends”.

Sister, EVE was not deceived by ADAM, but she was deceived by the serpent's cunning.

The Bible doesn’t state that the enemy perpetrated something against Eve through Adam.

This is not written in my Bible. This is a lie, a fable.

This is what the Bible truly says:

“Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?"
The woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate."

Genesis 3:13

She didn’t say: “the serpent deceived me through ADAM, and I ate” BUT SHE SAID THE SERPENT DECEIVED ME AND I ATE”.

If so then, why all your admonitions against Adam?

Why?

Please, repent, otherwise God will hold you accountable for your false teaching.

Please, do not mislead the women! Please stop your false teaching, time is up!

Sister Dawn, you said again:

“Yet in Genesis 3:12 what does Adam confess? He confesses nothing worth having. All he really does is lodge accusation in the face of God and says nothing about what was really true in that garden according to his actions. And this why Adam was punished and a fully confessed Eve was not. By the way, God accepted the confession of Eve which means, she was but only deceived in the garden, the lie regarding whether or not the fruit could be both touched and eaten could not have come therefore from her. It originated with a selfish, power-hungry Adam…”

Sister, when I read carefully your charges against Adam, I have the impression that you assimilate Adam to the serpent who deceived Eve, Worse, Adam seems to be more wicked, more cruel, more culpable than Satan himself.

Is this your teaching?

EVE SAID: “THE SERPENT DECEIVED ME AND I ATE”

However, according to the new revelation or the new reality of Sister Dawn, the writer of the book of the Genesis would rather say:

1- The sin originated with a selfish, power-hungry Adam

2- Then serpent deceived Eve through Adam

Dear sister, the Bible declares that God created man in His own image. Adam was an original creature, better, ADAM WAS SON OF GOG (Luke 3:38).

He could never be a vehicle of the Devil to deceive Eve, never!

EVE was not deceived by ADAM, but she was deceived by the serpent's cunning (2 Corinthians 11:3).

The Bible doesn’t state that the enemy perpetrated something against Eve through Adam.

Eve was the first to be deceived. Please read Genesis 3:6. It is so said the Bible.

Even though Eve was the one tempted by the serpent, and the one who first ate the forbidden fruit, Adam is the one who brought sin into the world, because he was the head of the human race and the one to whom the commandment had first been given.

His was guilty because he was the head of Eve, the head of the Garden. Yes, the man is the head of the woman (1 Corinthians 11:3).

He fell from this responsibility for having listened to his wife and ate from the tree about which God commanded him saying: “You must not eat of it”

This is the truth!

Sister, really, your teaching is a fable.

You said:

“…For this reason, to rightly interpret the garden word one is sure to fail if purposed to do so without complete regard for the Foreknowledge of God and if from anything other than the God-Perspective alone. We serve a God who knows all things at all times. Keeping this in mind, we must never imagine that God experienced the garden story in real time (so to speak) as we ourselves experience this garden saga according to the read of the human mind. Given this, the very voice of God in the garden is our compass. That is, what God and only what God alone speaks, sets the standard for rightly evaluating truth. Relevant to our discussion then, when if ever is it right to set the knowledge and truth standard of God aside and instead operate and receive “truth” as given from the mind of an unchecked Adam? Specifically, do you believe Adam in the garden story or do you believe God?...”

Sister Dawn, despite the above statement, your teaching is an imagination based on men traditions.

Your teaching is far from the God-perspective, far from the truth standard of God.

Unfortunately, I realize that the very voice of God in the garden is not your compass, since you openly deny
what is truly written in the book of Genesis by saying that the serpent deceived Eve through Adam.

Yes, I realize that the very voice of God in the garden is not your compass, since you openly deny what is truly written in the book of Genesis by saying that the enemy perpetrated something against Eve through Adam.

Truly speaking, your garden story doctrine is a fable, even a poison.

Indeed you said:

“…God purposed and gave the man the name of “Adam”. (Genesis 2:19) Adam sought to rename himself “Man,” but God still called him “Adam.” (Genesis 2:23 and Genesis 3:9)
Adam sought to call the female “Woman” but God compelled the name of “Eve” from a now punished Adam. (Genesis 2:23 and Genesis 3:20).

Sister Dawn, are you really telling what really happened in the Garden or are you telling a tale?

Can you provide a single biblical passage proving that:

1- Adam sought to rename himself “Man”?

2-Adam sought to call the female “Woman” but God compelled the name of “Eve” from a now punished Adam?

I realize that the very voice of God in the garden is not your compass, rather you are telling a tale.

Sister Dawn, you said:

“God instructed Adam to only not “eat” from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil” but to otherwise “dress” and “keep” the garden (Genesis 2:15). Could an obedient Adam “dress” and “keep” fallen fruit which he could not touch? (I speak specifically now regarding fruit belonging to the tree of the knowledge of good and evil). And if Adam engaged in “keeping” the fruit according to the command of God, then where did, (a future honored by God) Eve’s idea of not even being able to “touch” this fruit (Genesis 3:3) come from? And when she spoke these words, why did a present Adam remain silent? 6. Adam was present during the temptation of Eve (Genesis 3:6) yet did not correct her words to the serpent and was later punished by God for “hearkening” (that is responding) to the (stilll living) voice of one whom Adam surely thought would likely die from eating the fruit (Genesis 3:17). That is, God understood the evil really perpetrated by an Adam who only then responded (and not at a time when he could have saved Eve) and also freely ate of the fruit, do you?”

Of course, Adam was present during the temptation of Eve (Genesis 3:6).

To some extent, we can say that Adam failed to “keep” the fallen fruit which he could not touch since he was the head of the Garden. Indeed God put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it according to Genesis 2:15.

However, let us notice that Adam was the one to whom the commandment had first been given. Eve was not present when God commanded Adam to eat freely from every tree of the garden except for The Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil:

“And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."

Genesis 2:16-17

Now, how did Eve later become aware of what God had already told Adam?

Certainly, her husband Adam had told her. Adam had warned her because he loved her. Adam did not hate Eve, otherwise he would not have warned her.

Thus, Eve after being warned could say:

"…We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' "

Genesis 3:2-3

Let us recognize here that Adam was a conscientious husband who was concerned by the happiness of his wife, so he performed his duty towards her, getting her informed of God's warning, preventing her from dying.

Dear sister Dawn, It’s true that Adam was present during the temptation of Eve.

Adam and Eve needed only to trust God's wisdom, and respect His authority over them.

But, let us notice that both Adam and Eve had the freedom to choose.

God created humans, and He also gave them freedom of choice.

Dear sister Dawn, a woman has the freedom of choice as her husband.

EVE had the freedom of choice and she was alone responsible for the acts she had committed, otherwise God would be unjust to punish her too.

God is just in all His ways.

The duty of Adam was to get her informed of God's warning, preventing her from dying. As for Eve, she had the freedom to choose and was held accountable for her acts.

If she were totally innocent, why then had God punished her too?

Indeed, our Lord does not kill the righteous with the wicked. He does not treat the righteous and the wicked alike (Genesis 18:25)

If Eve were totally innocent, if she were not guilty at all, then why did God punish her too?

If Eve were totally innocent, if she were not guilty at all, then why did she have to die also?

EVE was not deceived by ADAM, but she was deceived by the serpent's cunning.

The Bible doesn’t state that the enemy perpetrated something against Eve through Adam.

Why had the so called “confessed” EVE to die physically also?

Why had EVE to die physically?

After her confession, why didn’t God who rewarded her and honored her by compelling Adam to name Eve forgive her also?

Why had the so called “confessed” EVE to die physically also?

Why?

By asserting that Eve has confessed, you acknowledge that she had sinned. In other words, she should not do what she did. She should not be deceived by the serpent. She had to listen to the counsel of God which had been transmitted to her by Adam. She had the freedom of choice.

But she has been deceived and she doubted. Let us recognize that in the Garden, doubt and sin came first from EVE.

Let us see the case of Sarah, and our father Abraham for it is a beautiful picture:

“Then the LORD said, "I will surely return to you about this time next year, and Sarah your wife will have a son." Now Sarah was listening at the entrance to the tent, which was behind him”

Genesis 18:10

Sarah was present while our Lord was making the promise to Abraham. Yes, Sarah was listening at the entrance to the tent, which was behind him. She was aware of God’s promise.

God also gave both Sarah and Abraham the ability to make choices. He gave them an opportunity to use this ability wisely. God wanted both Abraham and Sarah to show their FAITH by TRUSTING His promise.

However, “…Sarah laughed to herself as she thought, "After I am worn out and my master is old, will I now have this pleasure?" Then the LORD said to Abraham, "Why did Sarah laugh and say, 'Will I really have a child, now that I am old?' Is anything too hard for the LORD? I will return to you at the appointed time next year and Sarah will have a son." Sarah was afraid, so she lied and said, "I did not laugh." But he said, "Yes, you did laugh."

Genesis 18:12-15

Sarah not only doubted but also sinned by lying. Let us recognize that in this case, doubt and sin came first from Sarah, the woman, but this did not prevent God's promise from being fulfilled. Amen!

Nevertheless, Abraham kept the faith, he still trusted God.

Abraham could never prevent Sarah from doubting, she had the freedom of
choice.

Abraham could never prevent Sarah from lying, she had the freedom of
choice.

Abraham could not correct her words. She was free to trust God or doubt about His promise.

Here, we can not say that the devil really perpetrated something by Abraham against Sarah, but Sarah has been deceived, then she doubted, she laughed and she lied.

We can not also say that the devil really perpetrated something by Adam against Eve, but Eve has been deceived, then she doubted, and ate from the Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil.

God punished Adam for having hearkened the voice of his wife and also ate from the Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil.

Yes, it is not always wise to listen to the saying of the women, for Satan deceives them easily. So, we must discern what they say, and keep only what is good for fear of sinning against God.

Because, God punished Adam for having hearkened the voice of his wife and also ate from the Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil.

Abram also had hearkened the voice of Sarai his wife before, however the saying of Sarai was not in line with the will or the promise of God.

“so she said to Abram, "The LORD has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my maidservant; perhaps I can build a family through her." Abram agreed to what Sarai said. So after Abram had been living in Canaan ten years, Sarai his wife took her Egyptian maidservant Hagar and gave her to her husband to be his wife”.

Genesis 16:2-3

As for Job, he has been very careful for having unveiled and refuted the trick of satan through the mouth of his his wife:

“His wife said to him, "Are you still holding on to your integrity? Curse God and die!" He replied, "You are talking like a foolish woman. Shall we accept good from God, and not trouble?" In all this, Job did not sin in what he said".

Job 2:9-10

Dear sister Dawn, according to the examples above, we see that the devil really perpetrated tricks by women against men. Women were the first to be deceived, then, satan used them to induce their husbands into error.

And the devil will always perpetrate tricks by women against the servants of God:

"Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols".

Revelation 2:20

This is what really happened in the garden of Eden.

The devil really perpetrated something by Eve against Adam.

Eve has been deceived first, then she doubted, and ate from the Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil.

Then, God punished Adam for having hearkened the voice of his wife and also ate from the Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil.

“ When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it”.

Genesis 3:6

“To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life”.

Genesis 3:17

Dear sister Dawn, this is the truth. Please, stop believing the lies and the fables!

Indeed, Brother Paul said:

“if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth”.

1 Timothy 3:15

Now, Genesis 3:20 states: “And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was [to be] the mother of all living.”

Adam was entitled to name her and he did it so. Moreover the name EVE meant that she WAS TO BE THE MOTHER OF ALL LIVING.

WAS THE NAME "EVE" AN HONOR OR A REWARD FROM GOD?

My message above is the literal explanation of what occurred in the Garden of Eden.

I do invite you to search and read my message entitled “THE ORIGINAL SIN” and you will understand the true meaning of the Garden story.

You will also know why EVE WAS TO BE THE MOTHER OF ALL LIVING.

May God enlighten you!

Blessings,

Brother Germain

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