For those in political power who don't know the freed slaves actually started reading the bible for themselves after 1865, we don't necessarily depend on the Pastors or denominations to tell us what the Book says about salvation, heaven or "ssm."
How gracious of the ACLU, IRS and AG Holder to make sure we understand the importance of how to campaign for PBO in this election cycle. Perhaps they're also going to visit our churches to elude to a few of the unfortunate consequences to our 501(c)3 status if we encourage/recognize the people's will to dissent to, . . . let's say, certain WH policies?
Really now? The well-documented, 'God bashing liberal lawyers' at the ACLU are coming in to HELP US poor, ignorant savages? The loyal, voting block who just does what its told and only asks MASSA' HOW HIGH, if he dares think that much for himself? The AG? Hey, is he bringing any help on some jobs, crime reduction initiatives or some plan to help our ex-felons get gainful employment? The IRS coming to help us file those late tax returns, huh?
All of this is to be helpful? Don't remember this show of concern or warning in '08. We must have attended early morning service and missed it. For those still visiting the 'La-La Land of Denial' - here's some food for thought.
Here is the actual article:
Attorney General Eric Holder, the IRS, and the liberal lawyers at the ACLU will brief several hundred pastors in the African American community on how to participate in the presidential election -- which the Congressional Black Caucus chair expects will help President Obama's campaign.
"We will have representatives from nine denominations who actually pastor somewhere in the neighborhood of about 10 million people, and we're going to first of all equip them with the information they need to know about what they can say and what they cannot say in the church that would violate their 501c3 status with the IRS," Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, D-Mo., told MSNBC today.
"In fact, we're going to have the IRS administrator there, we're going to have the Attorney General Eric Holder there, we're going to have the lawyers' organization from around the country, the ACLU -- all giving ministers guidance about what they can and cannot do," he noted.
Cleaver said they would not tell pastors which candidate to support. They will let them know who to regard as the bad guys, though (hint: not Democrats). "We're going to talk about some of the draconian laws that have cropped up around the country as a result of the 17 percent increase in African American votes," Cleaver said, describing voter ID laws as a form of Jim Crow-style "poll tax" on seniors and black voters.
The CBC chairman is confident that "President Obama is going to get 95 percent of the [African American] vote," and wants to keep that turnout high. "We want to let them know that there is a theological responsibility to participate in the political process, at least in the Judeo-Christian tradition," he said.
Thank you Obama WH for exhibiting the exact response we anticipated regarding these damnable tidings. In kind, those that serve God first will render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, . .but not one 'blood-bought' child of God, will sell you their soul for the gays' agenda progress against the Church. Just felt my spine stiffen, sis. & bros.
I see now how you have taken such an exception to the most benign of motives and intentions; such as a heart-felt blessing that you, somehow, twist into an offense. This is just down right, . . BIZARRE!
You asked me, . . . "Do I know how that sounds, really?" Yeah, I think so, . .I think I read something similar to it before like right here:
The blessing I wished for you was just that - as harmless as a dove. Now I will be as wise as a serpent by realizing there are some deep, deep issues here with you and I, frankly, don't have the energy to wade into long term, nor do I desire to indulge in an ENDLESS, RAMBLING. COMBATIVE, CONVERSATION WITH YOU THAT NEITHER EDIFIES ME, YOU, OTHERS HERE OR THE BODY OF CHRIST.
It appears I 'hit a nerve somewhere'. .shall we say, for you to take such issue over us discussing the open assault of the homosexual communities upon our Christian homes, churches.
Whether you yourself are dealing with homosexual tendencies; or perhaps, are presently fully embracing homosexuality in your life, . NO ONE COULD DARE TO OFFER YOU GOD'S WORD IN THE HOPE OF GRACE ABOUNDING, OR COMFORT OR OF DELIVERANCE for yourself. So don't worry, I won't ask your permission to pray for you, I'll just do it anyway. Sister, homosexuals need hope and answers found only in Jesus Christ, . . . NOT ENABLERS!
You are offended over words or concepts like "gray areas"?
And what about this 'doozie' of a head scratcher, " . . . . . You seem to think that you are here to teach and preach what is right and wrong?"
AND THIS ONE?. . . . "That comes from a dominate spirit a spirit that feels that it is over others as you are better than others."
" . . Uh, . . . 'Sister-Girl', . . . what wrong with ME preaching that? Does one have to have YOUR permission to do it? TOTALLY BIZARRE!!!
AND FOR YOU TO SAY THIS?
" . . . It's sort of the same thing when we are talking about gays in here? Why talk about it? You do cause it makes you feel like your doing something. Otherwise you wouldn't be doing it. It is easier to talk about Obama and gays instead of the things we should be talking about."
WOW. . . this one needs repeating again, . . . . "cause it makes you feel like your doing something."
Sister, I feel such overwhelming grief and compassion for gays because I truly dread the fallen state they are in before God, with only so many opportunities to get right before Christ returns. This one scripture passage woke me up and gave me a clear window into the posture God himself will take with unrepentant sinners. ( THAT MEANS LIARS, THIEVES, REPROBATES, WHOREMONGERS AND GAYS, TOO.)
(And if it just so happens that it "'irks the hell out of you"' for me to bring 'scripture' into this, then that's a GOOD THING!)
Read this again and get mad at God, sister, not me, or anyone else. AND, GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!
So, you are free to rant, rave and RAMBLE ON, INCOHERENTLY, on this post TO YOUR HEART'S CONTENT, I will try to ignore them to the best of my ability for THE SAKE OF PEACE . From your OWN WORDS, IT SEEMS TO HAPPEN WITH YOU A LOT HERE. I'm sure you''ll take offense at that, too, so be it!.
I mean this in love, too. Maybe the Apostle Paul's admonishment is to be heeded here by us all.
What your not comprehending is that YOU are not Paul.
What there is a lot of hurting people that do not need to get beat up? Scripture was written mostly for the church or God's people and not the non-believer.
I can quote you scripture up side and down the other, but this is not the place where you find the general public. I mean we can sit around and have a mutual admiration society, happy that we are so knowledgeable, but that is not what wins the battle.
My point is love conquers all, not knowledge.
What business is it for you to talk about anyone? What your failing to see for some reason is the only reason one can talk about another is if they feel superior or inferior, either of which is not the Spirit of God.
Obama is Obama and gays are gays. They were created and given breath by the Holy Spirit. It is much like the message we find in the little book of Jude where Michael of whom I admire greatly is taunted by Satan. To me I would have blasted Satan, but Micheal kept his tongue and said nothing, because he realized that it was the Holy Spirit that gave Lucifer life and who was he to criticize the Holy Spirit and that is what you are doing by banging on people.
I am a sinner, saved by grace taken from the streets and taught by the Holy Spirit. He got me through college and taught me much. What I do is share my life with people or anything else I have to share. I do not quote scripture up one side and down the other, but share love.
Tom McLaughlin was one of my mentors and he taught me a thing or two about people. Tom worked at a rescue mission and prior to Tom's arrival they used to make people listen to a sermon before they were given something to eat. He changed all of that and feed everyone that had need and if they wanted to listen the could and were welcomed, but not forced to do anything. As a result of his way of doing things the mission grew and people were set free and did not return for the most part. You see prior to that everyone went forward, got saved so they could get something to eat.
Sure fear works for a short period of time, but in the long run people rebel and worse they fall away. Love is the only thing that works and when there is love people do not talk about Obama or gays or anything else except love and how much they love each other because God, who like me, took people just like me and the woman at the well and loved people like me and as a result I follow.
God has spoken to me a couple times in a clear loud audible voice outside of me twice. I have in a dream been to heaven and met angels and even met Jesus a few times. With all the times that I have met Him and He talks to me as well as the Heart of God has talked to me they have never talked about my short comings. I was amazed as I figured I would really get it.
Here is what I have learned and you can either accept it or reject it but the reason God and His people do not talk about peoples short comings no matter what the short comings are is that first it judges people and secondly it binds them in their sin.
When Paul wrote what he did he was writing to a church he had already stayed with and taught. He was not writing to people outside of the body of Christ and that really is a big difference.
What you or I or anyone else has to offer is our testimony of what we have experienced or we have to offer a lot of scripture. Offering love and your testimony will work far greater than your judgment of anyone including Obama and gays. You see if you belong to Him then in honesty all you can say is that He accepted you as a sinner, just as you were and that is what we are to do with people as well? Yes Jesus criticized the leaders in the church of that time because they knew better, which really is different than the woman at the well; You see she, like me was cast out of the church, because we are bad people. That is what you are doing when you talk about gays as you do, but if your going to be a disciple then you should do what Jesus did?
Here is a fact and this came from Jesus directly "they will know that you are mine by your love one for the other." You will note He did not say that they will know you are mine by how well you can teach or preach or quote scripture or even heal the sick or raise the dead, which is fairly impressive? No, He said they will know that your are mine by your love one for the other. Love does not put others down. When you are talking about Obama or gays that is a put down and it can only be done by one who feels like they are better than the other.
Yes I probably will rant and rave at people that rant about others? Maybe that's not the best way to do it, but for Bible thumper's it is really difficult to get a word in edge wise. Love is more difficult than thumping. Love is kind. It is gentle.
Really it works better than quoting the King James Bible and if you knew about King James you would know that he had it put together so he could control people. He was a horrible king. On the other hand if God speaks to you directly that really is something to share and you should.
The difference between beliefs and experience is that it takes no experience to talk about beliefs. Experience is about what you can testify to or something you have experience or witnessed. Beliefs start wars and do all sorts of wonderful things against humanity. Beliefs on their own get attached to ones values, which if the belief is taken away the person feels like they have lost their value. Experience on the other hand is something you have personally witnessed which cannot be taken away from you.
Today we live in a time where there is a form of godliness, but without the power. I like Moses went up the mountain. I like Daniel was cast into the lions den or like David stood before Goliath. I can testify to that and in all honesty it scared the crap out of me, but I can testify to the fact that God's promise to me was that He would keep and protect me and He did. Sharing what you have experienced edifies people and that is the point of what I was saying before.
I have no doubt you can copy and paste and even quote a lot of scripture. Great we all can do that. Some of us have even been to Bible college. Who cares? Obama and the gays and all the sinners do not care. What they care about is if you love them enough to walk with them even if they are goofier than a box of rocks and if your really honest with yourself we all are? I am.
The IRS will become a thing of the past, so will the 501(3)(c), congressmen and other politicians from the top to the bottom, preachers & pastors, bankers & lawyers & judges of the illuminati will be dealt with. Soon we will have our freedom, sovereignty, and a better world to live in without the big I's and little you's.
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