Church's Threat To Burn Copies Of The Muslim Holy Book - Black Preaching Network2024-03-28T13:24:08Zhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/forum/topics/churchs-threat-to-burn-copies?commentId=916966%3AComment%3A1616481&feed=yes&xn_auth=noAs of minute 2:26 on this tap…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-09-20:916966:Comment:16164812010-09-20T13:36:23.236ZJoseph Gillhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/JosephGill
As of minute 2:26 on this tape, Col. North discusses the matter of Abu…
As of minute 2:26 on this tape, Col. North discusses the matter of Abu Nidal.<br />
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<object style="height: 344px; width: 425px"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/okN0jB9Ezis?version=3"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="false"></param><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="never"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/okN0jB9Ezis?version=3" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="false" allowscriptaccess="never" width="425" height="344"></embed> </object> Son, I don't get a sh$t what…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-09-19:916966:Comment:16151642010-09-19T17:21:13.081ZAnthonyhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/Anthony88
Son, I don't get a sh$t what snoop.com have posted the words that came out his mouth can't be changed. Maybe you should stop trying to challenge me because the words out his mouth, & this is not from transcripts, during the Iran-Contra hearings in 1987. That bin Laden was trying to kill him & that Osama bin Laden was the most evilest person alive & an assassin team should be formed to eliminate him & his men from the face of the Earth.<br />
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I'm sure if any idiot look hard enough he…
Son, I don't get a sh$t what snoop.com have posted the words that came out his mouth can't be changed. Maybe you should stop trying to challenge me because the words out his mouth, & this is not from transcripts, during the Iran-Contra hearings in 1987. That bin Laden was trying to kill him & that Osama bin Laden was the most evilest person alive & an assassin team should be formed to eliminate him & his men from the face of the Earth.<br />
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I'm sure if any idiot look hard enough he can find a website that will have proof that the Earth is flat. Anthony,
For what it's worth…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-09-19:916966:Comment:16137692010-09-19T10:36:33.608ZJoseph Gillhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/JosephGill
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For what it's worth, Snoops.com debunks the claim that Ollie North discussed Osama bin Laden in his 1987 Congressional testimony. According to that website, he actually mentioned Abu Nidal in answering a question about the security system that had been installed at his house. Chatter was that Nidal had made a threat against Col. North. North apparently told the committee that Nidal made the infamous terrorist Carlos the Jackal "look like a boy scout."<br />
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Snoops also posted a press…
Anthony,<br />
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For what it's worth, Snoops.com debunks the claim that Ollie North discussed Osama bin Laden in his 1987 Congressional testimony. According to that website, he actually mentioned Abu Nidal in answering a question about the security system that had been installed at his house. Chatter was that Nidal had made a threat against Col. North. North apparently told the committee that Nidal made the infamous terrorist Carlos the Jackal "look like a boy scout."<br />
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Snoops also posted a press release from Col. North, issued in 2001, correcting the record about his testimony.<br />
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<a href="http://www.snopes.com/rumors/north.asp" target="_blank">http://www.snopes.com/rumors/north.asp</a><br />
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Not that I have complete trust of internet sites, like Snoops. I'm curious enough to check this out at the library (I know congressional testimonies are transcribed and released to the public). I said I was done because the…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-09-18:916966:Comment:16128432010-09-18T17:56:41.192ZAnthonyhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/Anthony88
I said I was done because the thread was about a Pastor burning The Holy Qur'an. Which was called off, end of story on this pastor & his Church.<br />
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I will answer your questions. I sometime don't leave web address because the story is easy to find by anyone with common since who can can google.<br />
No shot at you, it really ant that serious.<br />
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I like Peter Bergan as a journalist, but as much as I love watching MSNBC & CNN I understand that these media groups have parent owners. CNN is owned by…
I said I was done because the thread was about a Pastor burning The Holy Qur'an. Which was called off, end of story on this pastor & his Church.<br />
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I will answer your questions. I sometime don't leave web address because the story is easy to find by anyone with common since who can can google.<br />
No shot at you, it really ant that serious.<br />
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I like Peter Bergan as a journalist, but as much as I love watching MSNBC & CNN I understand that these media groups have parent owners. CNN is owned by Time Warner, Warner CEO is the great Steve Ross who has a great deal of influence in almost every sector in the world.<br />
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Media Network CEO's & investigative reporters are granted special favors & they also grant special favors. Sometime the Government will grant the media favors if they sit on sensitive information. The reward will be being the first to know & break a major story. Sometime the media is manipulated by government & they will leaked stories to the media because the government clearly understand 90% of American voters believe print if it's from their favorite media group & in return we are manipulated because we believe what we read & hear from the media.<br />
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98% of the time CNN, MSNBC & other media groups are neutral & unbiased. They're investigative reporting is the best, but sometime the influence of what get released to the public decided upon people who maybe conservative Republicans, Conservative Democrats, Independents, Liberals, Christian, Baptist, closet atheist, closet Pagan worshippers, closet gays, bisexuals, lesbians, none racist, racist, from a suburban sheltered home which mean they may have insensitive views toward under middle class people, which are largely minorities, they maybe huge investors themselves to corporations or they could be connected by fraternity, sorority or by friendship to the Government, corporate sectors, universities, organizations, law firms, law enforcement, judicial courts. My point, we are on the outside looking in & we don't know who has influence over how we get our news sometime. Considering you started the t…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-09-18:916966:Comment:16125542010-09-18T11:04:22.487ZJoseph Gillhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/JosephGill
Considering you started the thread, it's petulant of you to say you're "done" with the discussion. You seemed to attribute to me the quote about the CIA not knowing who Osama was until 1996, but I identified the speaker as journalist Peter Bergen, I put the passage in quotation marks, and I gave you a link to the interview.<br />
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You wrote a giant manifesto, which when I have a little time I will investigate. It will really be revelatory to me if Ollie North commented about bin Laden in his…
Considering you started the thread, it's petulant of you to say you're "done" with the discussion. You seemed to attribute to me the quote about the CIA not knowing who Osama was until 1996, but I identified the speaker as journalist Peter Bergen, I put the passage in quotation marks, and I gave you a link to the interview.<br />
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You wrote a giant manifesto, which when I have a little time I will investigate. It will really be revelatory to me if Ollie North commented about bin Laden in his testimony. You didn't link me to anything I can follow up on, so I will have to check it out on my own. That's the stupidest thing I…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-09-17:916966:Comment:16118212010-09-17T18:09:04.551ZAnthonyhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/Anthony88
That's the stupidest thing I have ever read. It's like someone born in the 80's telling someone that was born in the 30's about the civil rights movement because they read something about it & saw a few Eye's On The Prize docs.<br />
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Did you say the CIA did not understand who Osama was until 1996?<br />
Are you young & naive or a Republican or just a black woman that read a few articles & saw a few docs? Hell, Oliver North warned Congress during the Iran-Contra hearings in 1987 that Osama bin…
That's the stupidest thing I have ever read. It's like someone born in the 80's telling someone that was born in the 30's about the civil rights movement because they read something about it & saw a few Eye's On The Prize docs.<br />
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Did you say the CIA did not understand who Osama was until 1996?<br />
Are you young & naive or a Republican or just a black woman that read a few articles & saw a few docs? Hell, Oliver North warned Congress during the Iran-Contra hearings in 1987 that Osama bin Laden was "the most evilest person alive & an assassin team should be formed to eliminate him & his men from the face of the Earth. Those are Oliver North words during the televised Joint Hearings before the Senate Select Committee on Secret Military Assistance to Iran & the Nicaraguan Opposition Investigation Covert Arms Transactions with Iran. By the way, the hearing was about the Reagan Administration secretly & illegally selling arms to Iran.<br />
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Do you think Abdullah Azzam had enough fire power to drive out the Soviet when they invaded Afghanistan? Operation Cyclone was the code name for the United States Central Intelligence Agency program to arm, train, and finance the Afghan mujahideen during the Soviet war in Afghanistan.<br />
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Saudi Binladin Group is a global construction and equity management conglomerate grossing $5 billion U.S. dollars annually, and is one of the largest construction firms in the Islamic world, with offices in London and Geneva.The bin Laden family owns part of Boeing among other companies So how the hell, did the CIA not understand who all of the Bin Laden family were until 1996.<br />
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In 1979, Bush’s first business, Arbusto Energy, obtained financing from James Bath, a Houstonian and close family friend. One of many investors, Bath gave Bush $50,000 for a 5 percent stake in Arbusto. At the time, Bath was the sole U.S. business representative for Salem bin Laden, head of the wealthy Saudi Arabian family and a brother (one of 17) to Osama bin Laden. It has long been suspected, but never proven, that the Arbusto money came directly from Salem bin Laden. In a statement issued shortly after the September 11 attacks, the White House vehemently denied the connection, insisting that Bath invested his own money, not Salem bin Laden’s, in Arbusto.<br />
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In conflicting statements, Bush at first denied ever knowing Bath, then acknowledged his stake in Arbusto and that he was aware Bath represented Saudi interests. In fact, Bath has extensive ties, both to the bin Laden family and major players in the scandal-ridden Bank of Commerce and Credit International (BCCI) who have gone on to fund Osama bin Laden. BCCI defrauded depositors of $10 billion in the ’80s in what has been called the “largest bank fraud in world financial history” by former Manhattan District Attorney Robert Morgenthau. During the ’80s, BCCI also acted as a main conduit for laundering money intended for clandestine CIA activities, ranging from financial support to the Afghan mujahedin to paying intermediaries in the Iran-Contra affair.<br />
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When Salem bin Laden died in 1988 FROM A PLANE CRASH, powerful Saudi Arabian banker and BCCI principal Khalid bin Mahfouz inherited his interests in Houston. Bath ran a business for bin Mahfouz in Houston and joined a partnership with bin Mahfouz and Gaith Pharaon, BCCI’s frontman in Houston’s Main Bank.<br />
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The Arbusto deal wasn’t the last time Bush looked to highly questionable sources to invest in his oil dealings. After several incarnations, Arbusto emerged in 1986 as Harken Energy Corporation. When Harken ran into trouble a year later, Saudi Sheik Abdullah Taha Bakhsh purchased a 17.6 percent stake in the company. Bakhsh was a business partner with Pharaon in Saudi Arabia; his banker there just happened to be bin Mahfouz.<br />
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Though Bush told the Wall Street Journal he had “no idea” BCCI was involved in Harken’s financial dealings, the network of connections between Bush and BCCI is so extensive that the Journal concluded their investigation of the matter in 1991 by stating: “The number of BCCI-connected people who had dealings with Harken—all since George W. Bush came on board—raises the question of whether they mask an effort to cozy up to a presidential son.” Or even the president: Bath finally came under investigation by the FBI in 1992 for his Saudi business relationships, accused of funneling Saudi money through Houston in order to influence the foreign policies of the Reagan and first Bush administrations.<br />
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Worst of all, bin Mahfouz allegedly has been financing the bin Laden terrorist network—making Bush a U.S. citizen who has done business with those who finance and support terrorists. According to USA Today, bin Mahfouz and other Saudis attempted to transfer $3 million to various bin Laden front operations in Saudi Arabia in 1999. ABC News reported the same year that Saudi officials stopped bin Mahfouz from contributing money directly to bin Laden. Bin Mahfouz’s sister is also a wife of Osama bin Laden, a fact that former CIA Director James Woolsey revealed in 1998 Senate testimony.<br />
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When President Bush announced he is hot on the trail of the money used over the years to finance terrorism, he must realize that trail ultimately leads not only to Saudi Arabia, but to some of the same financiers who originally helped propel him into the oil business and later the White House. The ties between bin Laden and the White House may be much closer than he is willing to acknowledge.<br />
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Anyone can reply, but I'm done with this discussion. According to CNN journalist P…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-09-17:916966:Comment:16115152010-09-17T14:34:39.838ZJoseph Gillhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/JosephGill
According to CNN journalist Peter Bergen, known for conducting the first television interview with Osama bin Laden in 1997,<br />
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"The story about bin Laden and the CIA — that the CIA funded bin Laden or trained bin Laden — is simply a folk myth. There's no evidence of this. In fact, there are very few things that bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri and the U.S. government agree on. They all agree that they didn't have a relationship in the 1980s. And they wouldn't have needed to. Bin Laden had his own…
According to CNN journalist Peter Bergen, known for conducting the first television interview with Osama bin Laden in 1997,<br />
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"The story about bin Laden and the CIA — that the CIA funded bin Laden or trained bin Laden — is simply a folk myth. There's no evidence of this. In fact, there are very few things that bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri and the U.S. government agree on. They all agree that they didn't have a relationship in the 1980s. And they wouldn't have needed to. Bin Laden had his own money, he was anti-American and he was operating secretly and independently. The real story here is the CIA did not understand who Osama was until 1996, when they set up a unit to really start tracking him."<br />
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<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/08/15/bergen.answers/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/08/15/bergen.answers/index.html</a> Of course, that's why Preside…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-09-14:916966:Comment:16068362010-09-14T02:06:36.481ZAnthonyhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/Anthony88
Of course, that's why President Clinton Administration was trying to kill him. Matter of fact, President Clinton came the closest to killing him. You don't need documentaries for that. What I was talking about was the secret deal before they arrived to becoming America's most wanted. Contacts between the CIA and bin Laden began in 1979 when, as a representative of his family's business, bin Laden began recruiting volunteers for the Afghan resistance against the Red Army. FBI investigators…
Of course, that's why President Clinton Administration was trying to kill him. Matter of fact, President Clinton came the closest to killing him. You don't need documentaries for that. What I was talking about was the secret deal before they arrived to becoming America's most wanted. Contacts between the CIA and bin Laden began in 1979 when, as a representative of his family's business, bin Laden began recruiting volunteers for the Afghan resistance against the Red Army. FBI investigators examining the embassy bombing sites in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam discovered that evidence led to military explosives from the US Army, and that explosives had been delivered three years before Afghan Arabs, the infamous international volunteer brigades involved side by side with bin Laden during the Afghan war against the Red Army. In the pursuit of its investigations, the FBI discovered "financing agreements" that the CIA had been developing with its "arab friends" for years. The Dubai meeting is then within the logic of "a certain American policy".<br />
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Tim Osman known as Osama Bin Ladin. "Tim Osman" was the name assigned to him by the CIA for his tour of the U.S. and U.S. military bases, in search of political support and armaments. There is certainty that Tim Osman toured some U.S. military bases, even receiving special demonstrations of the latest equipment.<br />
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None of this matter because the original post was about Florida pastor burning copies of the Quran on the ninth anniversary of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. And they called it off so we move on. ...I still wonder what provok…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-09-11:916966:Comment:15990232010-09-11T14:09:14.734ZJoseph Gillhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/JosephGill
<i>...I still wonder what provoked the 9/11 attacks</i><br />
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If you saw all the documentaries, you know that Al Qaeda was behind the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, and the 1998 U.S. Embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania. The U.S. intelligence services (what an oxymoron!) had even identified Osama bin Laden as a key operative in 1998, and the FBI had put him on their Most Wanted list back then. The attacks on September 11, 2001 didn't come out of the blue... they were in a long line of terrorist…
<i>...I still wonder what provoked the 9/11 attacks</i><br />
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If you saw all the documentaries, you know that Al Qaeda was behind the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, and the 1998 U.S. Embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania. The U.S. intelligence services (what an oxymoron!) had even identified Osama bin Laden as a key operative in 1998, and the FBI had put him on their Most Wanted list back then. The attacks on September 11, 2001 didn't come out of the blue... they were in a long line of terrorist activities by the Al-Qaeda organization, and Osama specifically. He has chosen to ride a train…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2010-09-10:916966:Comment:15972442010-09-10T14:58:25.218Znewviewhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/newview
He has chosen to ride a train that he should not EVER have boarded.<br />
His mouth has written a check that he and his congregation can't cash.<br />
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Now they have put out a fatwa on this pastor...OH FOOLISH GALATIAN!</b></i><br />
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God did not call him to do this - at least I cant see it.<br />
What a wicked web we weave when we wish to ----> <i>start things.</i><br />
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And actually in the long run this may be good for American Christians when the muslims start blowing up churches HERE...<i>Then we will turn to…</i>
He has chosen to ride a train that he should not EVER have boarded.<br />
His mouth has written a check that he and his congregation can't cash.<br />
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Now they have put out a fatwa on this pastor...OH FOOLISH GALATIAN!</b></i><br />
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God did not call him to do this - at least I cant see it.<br />
What a wicked web we weave when we wish to ----> <i>start things.</i><br />
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And actually in the long run this may be good for American Christians when the muslims start blowing up churches HERE...<i>Then we will turn to God and kick the wordliness right out the church.</i>