December 21, 2012 The End?

[Chaplain Pat Harris]

Truth or Fiction?
Could there be a hidden message in this theory?

[Eccl. 12:13]

The only thing I'm looking to do is to warn those that say they follow the true and living God, not to get caught up in something foolish!

To be concerned or even discuss something such as a date given by a people that believed in OTHER GODS, a people that are no longer alive, is just that....foolish!

God warns us about it and yet people seem to have forgotten it.

That is my only goal here!

There may be readers here that are unaware of such scriptures, or that they sould not rely or even be troubled or upset by what "man" says may happen.

There is only ONE place to look and study and research if one desires knowledge of things to come.....God's holy word.....NOT a Mayan calander!

Again.....for those that may not be aware of God's warning about being worried about dates and times, here are a few scriptures;

Lev.19
[26] Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times.

Deut.18
[10] There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
[14] For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the LORD thy God hath not suffered thee so to do.

2 Kings 21
[6] And he made his son pass through the fire, and observed times, and used enchantments, and dealt with familiar spirits and wizards: he wrought much wickedness in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.

Gal.4
[9] But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
[10] Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.


Readers.....do not get caught up in this 12/12/2012 nonsense! It's a date....simply that......A DATE!!!!! A date from a calender no longer used, by a people no longer alive. And NOWHERE in God's holy word does He speak anything about it!

If He wanted us to know about it He would have told us!


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[Chaplain Pat Harris]

OK Eccl, your "warning" is duly noted. Now please refrain from hijacking this thread.

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

Your Biblical translations and Biblical understanding are off. TOTALLY off in fact....

[Eccl. 12:13]

God's word says;

1 John 4 [1] Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

1 Thes.5 [21] Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

2 Tim.4 ... make full proof of thy ministry.

2 Tim.3 [16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

God also said;

Deut.18
[10] There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
[14] For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the LORD thy God hath not suffered thee so to do.

Now you said;

"Your Biblical translations and Biblical understanding are off. TOTALLY off in fact...."

So are we to b a a watcher and observer of times or what?

I asked a simple question;

Please direct me to how just ONE of the dates mentioned was significant in Prophetic world history, with support from God's word; book, chapt and verse!

And I'm still waiting for an answer!


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[Chaplain Pat Harris]

2012 - Facts vs Predictions
Armageddon Online/Written by Administrator/October 05, 2009

There's a lot of crazy theories floating around the internet right now: so what I've decided to do was compile a short Q&A about 2012 and what it may bring with it. Bear with me here boys and girls - it's a bit nutty :)

A film by Roland Emmerich - the director behind the disaster movies like "Independence Day: and "The Day After Tomorrow", is generating new interest in predictions of a major mishap to hit Earth December 21st, 2012 . The film aptly named "2012" relies on a set of disasters that force man to leave the planet in order to survive.
Evidence for the 2012 prediction is spotty at best, but it does center upon the end of the what is known as the long run of the Mayan calendar . Here we looks the risks that may face the Earth just a few years from now.

What will happen in 2012?
Did the Mayans predict something terrible for 2012?

The ancient peoples of Mesoamerica were of a vast interconnected empire, filled with rich art, education and destruction. The Maya were one of these tribes. Other than archaeological intrigue why are these people so studied? Their written language was based on pictographs, much like the ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs. Mayan culture was like most other native cultures.

So what is supposed to happen on this magical date of December 21, 2012

One theory suggests that a Magnetic Field shift will occur around this time, that the calendar was based on pole shifts, which have occurred repetitively throughout the Earths history. The Maya, understanding the time periods between these shifts created their Long count calendar around them and come up with the final date for the next pole shift. But how would they know what to look for to expect another shift? How much time was supposed to pass between these shifts and how did they know it? Was there record passed down to them from long ago recounting a time when there was a prior pole shift so that mathematics could be used to predict the next one to come? Or did the ancients study a form of dendrochronology the study of climate changes by looking at tree rings. Others suggest a much more mythical or religious approach. December 21, 2012 is also the Winter Solstice, and provides us with a view that will not be seen again in any of our lifetimes. The Sun will conjunct the intersection of the Milky Way in the ecliptic, giving us view of the Sacred Tree as called by the Maya, giving us view of the Tree of Life.

Both of these scenarios are quite possible, one scientific explanation, and one religious. What we still do not know, and probably will not know is what will happen after this end date until it actually occurs. A new dawn of enlightenment would be a step towards progression, in that mankind would become more aware of their surroundings and the impact that they have on the Earth as well as a higher intelligence and consciousness and a better mindset for helping their fellow man. Perhaps this is the end, when Mother Nature finally decides to shrug off the oppressiveness that has been created by the children and start anew.

We may just end up living through another doomsday prophecy, going to work or school as usual, looking back on the prophecies and laughing them off. Peter may have cried wolf too often for our cynical minds.

Will Aliens invade the Earth in 2012?
Why would Aliens want to invade Earth?

Let's ask why Aliens or other intelligent (more dominant) species of some kind would WANT to invade us. As far as we understand our planet we enjoy the benefits of habitable eco-systems, fresh water, and a means to produce foods. These things would be the most likely reason for an alien invasion... Assuming that we are not alone in this vast cosmos....

Why isn’t this theory a crock? Taken to account that there are roughly 100 billion stars in our Milky Way galaxy, the probability of life on other planets is a likely one. Also the infinite number of parallel universes, there the possibility of life on other planets is expanded quite a bit. Extraterrestrials would have quite a bit of searching to do just to find our big blue ball in an infinite sea of possibilities, in this case. The reasoning behind an invasion could stem from any number of things. Their own planet could be in the grip of over population, that they have depleted their own native resources and drained the planet. Over pollution is as well another possibility for their migrations. If there were resources native to only a few planets, Earth included this would be another cause for invasion.

How could an Alien Invasion happen?

FLT : Faster than light travel would likely be needed for them to reach us. Our universe is theorized to be one thousand trillion (1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000) meters, should our planet be found in the vastness of possibilities, how would we be reached from the depths of space? Traveling at a year at the speed of light one would have gone ten trillion kilometers (10,000,000,000,000) one would have to possess superior technologies that could propel them at faster than light speeds, and/or through "wormholes". A theoretical distortion of space-time in a region of the universe that would link one location or time with another, through a path that is shorter in distance or duration than would otherwise be expected. If one were able to harness faster than light speeds, faster than 300,000 kilometers per second as well as travel through wormholes, then an invasion would be quite possible within a few years as opposed to a few million, billion, or trillion years. Physicists today are coming closer to the answer of this question although the technology is something out of our current reach.
Could we stop an alien invasion of our planet?

Oh sure, I'll get Will Smith on the phone - and we'll be kicking their asses Independence Day style in no time....

NOT!

Given the technologies that these beings could possibly possess, or other transport options that we couldn't fathom, it is quite likely that they would possesses weapons that would remove us completely without endangering their new possible home. In another case, they may even just kill off the excess and use the rest as slave labor. Such fantasies as seen in the science fiction books and movies where humans won the day through whatever means would be exactly that, fiction. An intelligent species would have taken the time to study this planets physiology and technology to learn what viruses and possible threats that were resident here and take precautions.

In the event of an unknown threat, we would have no hard information on how to defend ourselves against a threat such as this. Being an unknown enemy is the best tactic that an enemy has. We would either kill ourselves, and the planet with nuclear weapons in the remote chance that it would remove the threat, game over for everyone.

Not..likely....

Did Nostradamus predict anything for 2012?
How many times has the end of the world been predicted now?

Oh that's right : we have a nice little page here for how many FAILED PROPHECIES and PREDICTIONS have happened.

The doomsday crowd always insist that Nostradamus said the world was going to end and that he NEVER GOT ANYTHING WRONG. Now days it's all about 2012. Specifically, December 21st 2012. Nostradamus wrote that his prophecies only went as far as the year 3797. Think what you want, and read below - I will list some misconceptions about 2012.

· The Nibiru (celestial Bbody) collision theory is based on claimed 'channeling" by extraterrestrials / Aliens, and astronomers regard the possibility of planetary collision as frivolous. NOT NOSTRADAMUS!

· Nostradamus and his quatrains are clearly intended to be read in a pre-apocalyptic manner, they do not mention (more importantly a DATE OF ANY KIND) the end of the world. Their Preface summarizes that they are valid until the year 3797.

· The "Lost Book of Nostradamus" is a version of the anonymous Vaticinia de summis pontificibus - a book of prophetic papal emblems dating from centuries before his time – and makes no mention the year 2012. NOTHING!

Enviromental collapse in 2012?

Today’s shouting is about climate change or man made global warming. In the previous decades pollution, destruction of the ozone layer soil depletion and an imminent mini ice age were the environmental dangers that we confronted. There is little doubt right now that we do have an impact on our surroundings - but it's extent is still undetermined. A collapse from warming, sea level changes, resource shortages are all real and present problems we will face some day. The likelihood of it happening before December of 2012 doesn't seem very likely though.

Why this theory isn't rubbish?

Few people doubt that the planet hasn't been getting at least warmer (whatever the cause they want to believe in). The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) issued a 2001 report that concluded the global temperature had risen ~0.6c over through the 20th century - with the 1990's being most likely the warmest recorded since the records began in the mid 1800's.

How likely is it? 2/10

Not likely at all. Things would have to speed up and we'd have to be seriously careless - though in the long run all the problems I listed areas I said - something we will have to face some day. The planet changes, and it doesn't care what the inhabitants think either.

Will Planet X / Nibiru hit the Earth in 2012?

Let me sum this up for you.

The Planet X / Nibiru collision is a supposed collision (or near miss) between the Earth and a large planetary object. People in this doomsday event variously refer to this object as Nibiru, Planet X or Wormwood.

The idea was first proposed in 1995 by Nancy Lieder, founder of the website ZetaTalk. Lieder describes herself as a contactee with the ability to receive messages from extra-terrestrials from the Zeta Reticuli star system through an implant in her brain.

Proof? Very little. Some point back to the 2005 findings by Nasa that a 10th planet had been discovered on the outer fringes of our solar system... but this 10th planet is certainly not moving into the inner solar system.

Odds of this happening: 0.001/10 - Keep hoping lunatics of the world :)

Will a Super Volcano erupt in 2012?

A supervolcanic eruption refers to a volcano that produces the largest and most voluminous kinds of eruptions on earth. The actual explosivity of these eruptions varies, but the sheer volume of extruded magma is immense enough to radically alter the landscape and severely impact global climate for years, with a cataclysmic effect on life.

Here is a list of known super volcanoes. We can demonstrate by theorizing what might happen if the super volcano at Yellowstone would start erupting. All you have to do is imagine a volcanic blast so devastating it obliterates at a stroke the English county of Yorkshire or the US state of Connecticut - a detonation so enormous it buries a continent in ash and plunges the entire world into a volcanic winter.

Is it likely? 1/10: As before all eruptions, we would expect the ground to swell as new magma made space for itself. Swarms of earthquakes would also be firing off as the magma broke through to open a path to the surface. Scientifically speaking, Yellowstone is overdue - and it is "rate” but the chances of it happening in 2012 are still super remote. The geological record shows the giant caldera (what's underneath Yellowstone) erupts roughly every 600,000 years. Theoretically speaking, most geologists will agree that it's been about 640,000 since the last eruption. It definitely WILL happen again - but the chances that it falls on December 21st, 2012 aren't good. DONT BET MONEY ON IT!

Will a solar flare or solar storm hit Earth in 2012?

People generally take on this theory due the Mayan calendar and their understanding of the solar system.. In this scenario a huge solar flare from the sun will scorch the Earth wiping all life out.

There is no evidence that such catastrophic events happened in the past.

Why it isn’t COMPLETE Rubbish: The solar storm of 1859 - also known as the Solar Superstorm, or the Carrington Event, was the most powerful solar storm ever recorded. It caused the failure of telegraph systems all over Europe and North America. Auroras were seen all over the world, most notably over the Caribbean Also noteworthy were those over the Rocky Mountains that were so bright, the glow awoke gold miners, who began preparing breakfast because they thought it was morning. A solar flare or storm large enough to "scorch Earth" has never been proven - and no evidence has been found in Earth's history.