God’s Curses are STILL on the True Israelites of Today

 

God said ALL of His curses would fall upon all of Israel and her seed forever if they did not obey Him.

 

Deut.28
[15] But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

[46] And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.

 

Take note of what God is saying here; these curses are to be for a sign. God gave us these signs so that Israel COULD be identified.

 

Let’s say you had no idea what a duck was, but someone told you to be on the look out for one. As a matter of fact the person telling you to watch for a duck had never seen one either. But they did have this description: an aquatic bird, with long necks, a flat bill, scaled legs, webbed feet, short rounded body, waddles when walking and makes a quacking sound. Now that you have a description you would know that a horse is not a duck, nor is a dog or tiger. Now you may have a problem if a geese or swan came your way….but you could at least tell these animals are in the same family.

 

The true nation of Israel is NOT to be hidden. All 12 tribes are all still around and they still have all of the curses upon them for not obeying their God. Some you may be able to recognize immediately, others may be harder to identify. But one thing is for certain, with the signs given to us in God’s holy word, you will definitely be able to tell who is NOT Israel!

Here is a question; Can you find a people that have ALL of the curses God said would be upon them?

 

Let’s use God’s Holy Word and find out the truth. God gave us these signs so that ALL that read them will know who’s the true Israelite. With that said, let’s read the curses and also find if Israel kept or rejected God’s laws.

 

God said He would scatter Israel!

"And I will scatter you among the heathen" Lev.26:33

"I will scatter them also among the heathen" Jer.9:16

"I will scatter them as with an east wind before the enemy" Jer.18:17

 

God said Israel would live in their enemies land and not their own!

"when they be in the land of their enemies" Lev.26:44

"and disperse thee in the countries" Ezek.22:15

 

God said Israel would be a weak nation!

"thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them:" Deut.28:25

"he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail." Deut.28:44

 

God said Israel would be borrowers and NOT lenders of money!

"He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him” Deut.28:44

 

God said Israel would occupy prisons!

“But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses” Isa.42:22

 

God said HE would gather Israel!

"And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them" Jer.23:3

 

When God gathers Israel they will dwell safely in their land!

"and they shall fear no more" Jer.23:4

 

God will gather ALL 12 tribes!

"and will bring them again to their folds" Jer.23:4

 

God will give them shephards that speak the TRUTH!

"And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them" Jer.23:4

 

And finally, from God's own mouth, God tells us of a people that worship in synagogues and say they are His chosen, but lie!

 

"Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; " Rev.3:9

 

God said ALL of these curses would be upon all 12 tribes of Israel and her seed forever if they did not obey their God. Let’s search the scriptures to see if Israel obeyed God. If we find they did not, then these curses must STILL be upon ALL the seed of Israel even to this day!

 

Jer.3

[6] The LORD said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot.
[7] And I said after she had done all these things, Turn thou unto me. But she returned not. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it.

[8] And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

[10] And yet for all this her treacherous sister Judah hath not turned unto me with her whole heart, but feignedly, saith the LORD.

 

And again;

 

Ezek.2

[3] And he said unto me, Son of man, I send thee to the children of Israel, to a rebellious nation that hath rebelled against me: they and their fathers have transgressed against me, even unto this very day.

Ezek.3

[7] But the house of Israel will not hearken unto thee; for they will not hearken unto me: for all the house of Israel are impudent and hardhearted.

 

So not only did Israel disobey God and reject His laws and commandments, they did so to the point where God gave them, “…a bill of divorce…”!

 

Now either God lied, or the people living in the land today are lying! Let’s let God’s word decide. Let's compare;

 

Should the TRUE Israelite be living in the land today? NO!

“I will scatter them also among the heathen” Jer.9:16

“I will scatter them as with an east wind before the enemy” Jer.18:17

But the people that say they are God’s chosen live in the land.

 

Should the TRUE Israel be a powerful nation? NO!

"he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail." Deut.28:44

But the people, living in the land, have Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD)!

 

Should the TRUE Israel be a rich nation? NO!

"He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him” Deut.28:44

But the people, living in the land, with WMD, are a wealthy nation with families of great bankers. Israel lends money not just to individual….but to NATIONS!!

 

Should the TRUE Israel be gathered in the land yet? NO!

“and I will gather you from all the nations, and from all the places whither I have driven you, saith the LORD; and I will bring you again into the place whence I caused you to be carried away captive.” Jer.29:14

But the people, living in the land, with WMD, and families of great bankers and loaners of money, were gathered by men and NOT God, in 1948.

 

Should the TRUE Israelite dwell safely in their land once gathered by God? YES!

"and they shall fear no more" Jer.23:4

But the people, living in the land, loaners of money live in fear of bombings each and every day!

 

Should we find a large population of Israel hid in the prison system? YES!

“But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses” Isa.44:22

But the people, living in the land and loaners of money, number’s are so few in the prison system, there are not enough for a percentage.

 

Should the TRUE Israel be taught the truth when gathered? YES!

“"And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them" Jer.23:4

But the people, living in the land, with WMD, made up of families of wealthy bankers, gathered by MAN in 1948 are being taught lies. They are taught that Jesus was NOT the one because the kingdom was not restored. They are still waiting for Jesus’ FIRST return, let alone second.

 

  

Let’s read the words of Jesus one more time and while we are reading them think to yourselves, “Why would He say such a thing?”

Rev 2
[9] I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and

I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but

are the synagogue of Satan.

Rev 3:[9] Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say

they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come

and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

 

So who should one believe? A people that say they are God’s chosen but have NONE of the curses God said would be upon them and their seed if they did not obey?

 

Or should you look for a people that God said would have these curses?

 

Some are probably saying, “Why does it even matter?”.

 

Well it matters because there are prophecies based on the nation of Israel. And if you have the people wrong……how can your prophecies be right?

 

Here is just a little something to think about: When you do find a people that have ALL of God’s curses, you will have found the TRUE Israelite!!

 

 

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It's a shame when God gives Israel signs in the same book they profess to study, as to who they are and yet they STILL have no clue as to their identity.

Hos.4
[6] My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

And you wonder why we are in the condition we are in.

We should be thanking God that He scattered us to the US, for we could be suffering the same fate as our brothers and sisters in Haiti.

If you only knew just who your Saviour is and what He looked like.

If you only knew the bibles tells OUR History Israel!

But what has happened to Israel? What does Israel of today say? The samething our forefathers did;

"Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits..." Isa.30:10


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The curses that God promised were NOT to be perpetual. The sign of them (the significance of them, the message they communicated) would be. The prophecy continues through several chapters in Deuteronomy, and quite clearly in chapter 30 Israel was told:

"So it shall be when all of these things have come upon you, the blessing and the curse which I have set before you, and you call them to mind in all nations where the LORD your God has banished you, and you return to the LORD your God and obey Him with all your heart and soul according to all that I command you today, you and your sons, then the LORD your God will restore you from captivity, and have compassion on you, and will gather you again from all the peoples where the LORD your God has scattered you." [Deut. 30:1-3]

Israel's curse would only last as long as their disobedience. When they turned from their idolatry, they would be restored. So being cursed was only an identifying characteristic of an apostate Israel. Repentant Israel would be identified by being again a greatly blessed nation. The initial blessing, the subsequent cursing, and the eventual restoration were all literally fulfilled in the history of the nation Israel.
Let’s examine some of what you quoted and compare what you said with the word of God

Joseph Gill: “The curses that God promised were NOT to be perpetual.”

Now let’s read what thus said the Lord;

Deut.28
[46] And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.

God did put a limit on Israel’s punishment. But their punishment does not end until HE gathers Israel. Until that happens, Israel’s seed is yet under the signs and curses God put upon them.

Joseph Gill: “Israel's curse would only last as long as their disobedience. When they turned from their idolatry, they would be restored.”

Now let’s read if they turned from their wicked ways and returned to keeping the laws of God;

Ezek.2
[3] And he said unto me, Son of man, I send thee to the children of Israel, to a rebellious nation that hath rebelled against me: they and their fathers have transgressed against me, even unto this very day.
Ezek.3
[7] But the house of Israel will not hearken unto thee; for they will not hearken unto me: for all the house of Israel are impudent and hardhearted.

So not only did Israel disobey God and reject His laws and commandments, they did so to the point where God gave them, “…a bill of divorce…”!

Now at what point in the bible has God re-married Israel? Where does it state that God has brought them back into His fold? Thus far He has not!

Now let’s read the signs God gives us to let us know it will be Him and ONLY Him that gathers Israel;

Jer.23
[3] And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.

So here we have a time when God will gather His chosen from ALL countries. And not just (1) tribe, but ALL (12) tribes will be gathered by the Lord.

[4] And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD.
ALL of Israel will have shepherds and these shepherds will feed Israel the truth.

[5] Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

Have the days come where the Lord is executing judgment and justice in the earth?

Here is another sign to know that the true Israelite has been gathered by God;

Jer.30
[9] But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.

So the Lord will be ruling over the entire earth and David will be king over ALL (12) tribes of Israel. Let’s read it again;

Ezek.37
[24] And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

[25] And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

Joseph Gill: “The initial blessing, the subsequent cursing, and the eventual restoration were all literally fulfilled in the history of the nation Israel.”

So how will we know when Israel has been gathered by the Lord?

When we can look over and see King David ruling over them.

Until that time the true Israelite has not been gathered.

Brother…can you not see who God is trying to tell the whole world who the real Israelites are?
God did put a limit on Israel’s punishment. We agree.

But their punishment does not end until HE gathers Israel. Until that happens, Israel’s seed is yet under the signs and curses God put upon them. And He did gather them from the people to whom He had scattered them. This was the Hebrews' return to the promised land, as recorded in the books of Ezra and Nehemiah. Their return was 100 years or so after the prophecies of Jeremiah and Ezekiel, of course.

Jer.23
[3] And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.


So here we have a time when God will gather His chosen from ALL countries. Doesn't the verse say He will gather a "remnant" of His flock from "all the countries whither I have driven them"? And not just (1) tribe, but ALL (12) tribes will be gathered by the Lord. Where does Jeremiah say this?

[5] Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

Have the days come where the Lord is executing judgment and justice in the earth? Has the the righteous Branch been raised unto David? A believer on the Lord Jesus Christ would say yes, while acknowledging that there are two aspects of such a Messianic prophecy: the first part, the revealing of the Messiah, HAS taken place--the Branch was raised up; the second part, his kingship, is yet to be fulfilled.
Brother you must use ALL of God's words. Did you not read the following? God not only said a righteous branch of David, and we know this to be Jesus. But God said DAVID himself will also rule over all (12) tribes. Let's read it;

Jer.30
[9] But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.

"...they shall serve the Lord their God, AND David their king..."

So the Lord will be ruling over the entire earth and David will be king over ALL (12) tribes of Israel.

Now just to make sure the scripture did mean David, let's confirm it again;

Ezek.37
[24] And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

Not just a seed of David, but David himself shall be king over the nation of Israel. And what else will Israel do? Walk in God's judgments and observe God's ststutes and do them. Not one tribe! But ALL the tribes!

And here it is again;

[25] And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

Again God tells us David will rule over them.

Now these scriptures were written long after David death, but what did God say He would do? Let's read it once more;

"But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them."

So God is going to raise David to be their king.

Joshep Gill: "This was the Hebrews' return to the promised land, as recorded in the books of Ezra and Nehemiah. Their return was 100 years or so after the prophecies of Jeremiah and Ezekiel, of course."

Now what happened to the nation of Israel again around 70 A.D.? They were scattered yet AGAIN! But after this time we loose almost all contact with the true Israelite.

Now when did God say He would gather Israel again? When He raise David up to be their king and Jesus is Lord over all the earth!

So that means we can't use 1948 as a gathering of Israel, because I see neither Jesus nor David in Jerusalem ruling over them.

These are just a few signs of what MUST happen to know that the true Israelite has been gathered by God.

And until you see them.....the REAL Israel has not been gathered!


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I've never corresponded with anyone who claimed that the historical David would be resurrected to lead Israel in the millennium. Everyone else I have ever heard comment on these verses has said that the personage being alluded to is his descendant, the Messiah. And there is scripture that flatly states that the Messiah will rule on David's throne:

"Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this." [Isa. 9:7]
Joseph Gill: "Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this."

This is true. But why is it so hard to believe that David himself will not do as God said He would. Let's look at this;

Heb.11
[2] For by it the elders obtained a good report.

Now let's read of some of the elders that received a good report;

[4] By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain
[5] By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death
[7] By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet
[13] These all died in faith, not having received the promises

So all of the above died with a good report but have not received the promises. Let's read of more;

[17] By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac
[31] By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not
[32] And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:

Did you catch that? David is also one of the ones that died with a good report but did not receive the promise. Now let's read a little more;

[39] And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
[40] God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

So ALL of the saints mentioned above died with a good report. And what did Paul say next?

That ALL of them would receive the promise at the same time.

So we know for a fact that David will be in God's kingdom, along with the rest that were mentioned.

Now if we know that David will be in the kingdom, is it too much to think that God would not put him as king over the nation of Israel?

After all....who did Jesus say would rule with Him? Let's read;

Luke 22
[29] And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
[30] That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Now if Jesus can appoint the twelve to sit and judge, can He not appoint David as king over the nation he once ruled? Let's read the verses one more time;

Jer.30
[9] But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.

Jesus will rule over the entire earth while David rules over Israel with the twelve apostles judging them.

Ezek.37
[24] And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.And here it is again;

[25] And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

This is not my interpretation. I'm just reading the words of God!

Looking at it with the other scriptures, can you now see that David truly will be King over Israel just as God said he would be?


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I am not disputing the resurrection of David, only the restoration of kingship to him personally.

The promise to David was that his progeny would rule Israel, not that he would himself after the resurrection. Consider what Peter preached on the Day of Pentecost:

"Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; he seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption." [Acts 2:29-31]

If the Twelve are sitting on thrones (as prophesied by Jesus in Matt 19:28/Luke 22:30) then it seems that is more evidence that your interpretation of David's restored kingship is mistaken. Jesus will entrust rule over Israel to his apostles, not David.
Are you kidding me?

Do we not have a President that rules over the entire country?

And does he not have governors to rule states?

And then we have Mayors ruling over cities?

But does not the President rule over them all?

That is just how it will be when Christ returns!

Second, Jesus did not say the apostles would RULE. He said they would JUDGE the nation of Israel.

And just as Jesus said that, He also said;

Ezek.37
[24] And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.And here it is again;

Is this HARD to believe?

[25] And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

What is so hard to accept?

Just because it was never told or explained does not mean mean God's word is not true.

So you have no problem with the apostles JUDGING, but you just can not understand how these verses and their meaning is possible;

"But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king..."

The seed, or progeny above IS the Lord, but the verse also says another will be king: DAVID!

"...And David my servant shall be king over them..."
"and my servant David shall be their prince for ever..."

So you know David will be raised!

You know the apostles will judge!

But there is no way you are going with David being king over the nation of Israel, inspite of the following verses one more time;

"But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king..."
"...And David my servant shall be king over them..."
"and my servant David shall be their prince for ever..."


I know this has not been taught in most churches, because most don't read anything other than what their pastor tells them to read, which is probably about 2 or 3 verses at most.

I know this is new to you because you stated this is the first time hearing it.

But that fact does not make the word of God void.

God said David will be king over the nation of Israel again and that's that.

I'm not saying it...God is! So if you do not want to trust the word of God sobeit.

But if you cannot see this, God is hiding it from you for your own good;

1 Thes.2
[11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:



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Do we not have a President that rules over the entire country?

And does he not have governors to rule states?

And then we have Mayors ruling over cities?

But does not the President rule over them all?

That is just how it will be when Christ returns!


Are you a recent immigrant? Only someone unfamiliar with this country would compare our president to a king! Or imagine that the governors of the states and the mayors of the cities are his lieutenants! Our municipal, state, and federal governments are worlds unto themselves: For example, President Obama couldn't even compel former Illinois Governor Blagojevich to appoint the person he wanted to fill his old Senate seat.

Second, Jesus did not say the apostles would RULE. He said they would JUDGE the nation of Israel.

In biblical terminology, a "ruler" and "judge" are synonymous. Consider, among other verses, Acts 7:27: "But he that did his neighbour wrong thrust him away, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge over us?"

The verb translated "judging" in KJV is krinō in the Greek. Check a lexicon. It means "rule over."
Joseph Gill: "Are you a recent immigrant? Only someone unfamiliar with this country would compare our president to a king! Or imagine that the governors of the states and the mayors of the cities are his lieutenants! Our municipal, state, and federal governments are worlds unto themselves: For example, President Obama couldn't even compel former Illinois Governor Blagojevich to appoint the person he wanted to fill his old Senate seat."

You asked if I am familiar with this country? Yes I am! But what I am more familiar with is what type of government there will be here on earth during Jesus 1000yr rule! That said, it is obvious you have no idea.

Do you really think there is going to be a democracy here on earth, where the people choose who will rule over them? Do you think those that Jesus put in charge will have any say as to what laws to enforce, how to enforce them or even what should be the punishment? NO!

Unlike America and other democratic countries, Jesus will rule over the entire earth and He will appoint who He sees fit to govern and rule over the nations. He will tell those He elects what His laws are, how to enforce them AND the punishment for breaking them.

Let's look at one example of a punishment that will be upon any nation that does not keep the Lords Feast of Tabernacles;

Zech.14
[16] And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
[17] And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

The rulers over those nation will have no choice but to prevent the rains from falling.

The form of government on earth will be that of a 'dictatorship' the likes the world has never known.

Now that aside; what of the possibility of David being King over the nation of Israel? That is the question at hand!

"But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king..."
"...And David my servant shall be king over them..."
"and my servant David shall be their prince for ever..."

I'm still waiting on your take concerning the above verses!



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You asked if I am familiar with this country? Yes I am! But what I am more familiar with is what type of government there will be here on earth during Jesus 1000yr rule! That said, it is obvious you have no idea.
We haven't discussed what kind of government would be in place in the millennium, so how do you know what I think about that topic? You made the rather silly comparison of the U.S. President and the state governors to Jesus Christ and his apostles; I only pointed out that there is no basis for comparison. Christ will reign as King; presidents haven't an iota of that kind of authority.


Do you really think there is going to be a democracy here on earth, where the people choose who will rule over them?
I made no such claim that there would be a democracy in the millennium.


Do you think those that Jesus put in charge will have any say as to what laws to enforce, how to enforce them or even what should be the punishment? NO!
Then, what did you mean when you wrote "David himself shall be king over the nation of Israel"? Do you think 'King' David will have any say as to what laws to enforce, how to enforce them or even what should be the punishment?

I already expressed to you my belief that the references to David in Jer. 30:9 and Ezek. 37:24 are actually prophecies of the Davidic heir, the Messiah Jesus. I believe what the angel Gabriel told Mary about Jesus: "He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David. And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end." [Luke 1:32,33]

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