I now understand more and more about this so-call world of "Hip-Hop". I understand now why "Hip-Hop"has really no place in our churches and yet it's slowly creeping in our church doors. After hearing all of this, I will stand behind fellow clergy members by NOT allowing "Hip-Hop" into our churches.

Pastors,Ministers and Church Leaders, would you allow "Hip-Hop" in your churches? Is this a way in keeping our youth in church? I am interested in all feedback concerning this issue.

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Wait a minute...was David's dance sinful? Help me out with that one...
" Wait a minute...was David's dance sinful? Help me out with that one..."

I think the question should be Can we dance naked before people as we praise the Lord.
Newview,

David didn't dance butt naked.
David didn't dance butt naked.

Let not get sidetracked James :-)
Lets just say he danced naked as far as down to what we might call naked.
That could be absolutely no clothing or just down to his boxers.

I think the question should be:
Can we dance naked before people as we praise the Lord.
huh????
I think the question should be Can we dance naked before people as we praise the Lord.

Do you mean naked in the literal sense or in the figurative?
Ok,we went from "Holy Hip Hop"to dancing butt naked before people. That just changed the scheme of things.....
"...was David's dance sinful?" - I believe that if you read that portion of scripture somewhere it indicates that David was in the spirit when he danced.
Bro. Anthony,

If you put lipstick and perfume on a pig, it is still a pig.

Pastor Hodge
Ah but if I take said pig, butcher it, roast it on a spit, put an apple in its mouth, thems good eatins. With all due respect Pastor, even your guy Lewis admitted that there is no issue with Holy Hip Hop. If you watched his video volume 5 I believe it is, even he capitulated that there is no issue with it. (It also explains why all of a sudden heput out a Hip Hop Cd with his boy). If this was an issue with you presalvation, that is one thing, but to take it and attempt to make something that effected you presalvation an eternal truth, that is wrong. There are a lot of things that I did before I met Jesus, however there are things that were not an issue with me. There are things that I see in the church that I felt, and feel are wrong. I am not going to take those beliefs on my part, my personal convictions if you will, something that is part of my spiritual DNA, and try to make it a doctrinal statement that is as wrong as two left shoes, (let me write my check to Elder Henton for that reference LOL). That is why Paul wrote to the Corinthian church, telling them meat offered to idols is a non issue, provided that it does not cause a near brother to stumble. He said to not let your freedom become a stumbing block to someone else. But I also believe that the brother to whom that freedom may have been a stumbling block to, did not have the right to put in bondage the one who has the freedom. If I want to listing to Holy Hip Hop, why do you percieve that it is your position to try to convict me of doing so. Do I not belong to Christ, Have I not the same Holy Spirit in me that you do in you? That being the case if He does not convict me of it, why do you feel justified in attempting to do His job?
Dear Sir,

I am not going to use a lot of pleasentries that neither you or I mean...We both know good and well that I m not convicting you of anything at all; you are the one that introducing the "foreign issue" how can you the one introducing the notion of Hip Hop foolisness I am simply rejecting it on based on the what it is and what it stands for! you are the one trying to pull me to your sie of the argument! you want to use some nasty ungodly dead animal that died old age and drag it into Gods house and you think just because you fried it up an shoved an apple down its throat I aught to snap it up like some kind of humgry ally dog...and I refuse; for that you dare accuse me of trying to push my "Personal convictions" over on the you??? Yo can eat whatever garbage you want to eat, and you can feed whatever slop you want to God's people you want! (that seems to be wants selling now anyway) do you actually believe that foolishness that Kirk Franklin does is any better is that the litmus test if Kirk does it, it must be good? the probem is sir that you look at the black church as a monolithic demographic and that is a mistake!

I personally would never buy a CD from Kirk or any of that other nonesense that you named because its simply ignorant and unGodly!

" If I want to listing to Holy Hip Hop, why do you percieve that it is your position to try to convict me of doing so"

I don't care what you listen too! You're the one trying to shove that trash down my throat!

If this was an issue with you presalvation, that is one thing, but to take it and attempt to make something that effected you presalvation an eternal truth, that is wrong.

Are you out of your mind...this has nothing to do with...Pre-salvation" you aughto to know and I do know that this is wrong and if you don't know by now. its because you don't want to know the truth...I never heard of Gospel rap until I got into the Church anyway so what are talking about?

"Lewis admitted that there is no issue with Holy Hip Hop" AGAIN: WHO IS LEWIS? whoever he is...do you think that I use him as measuring stick to salvation? I use the Word of God! Do you think I use my personal beliefs to construct thought? I use the Word of God! do honestly believe that I spend this time on this issue because I am using my likes or dislikes? I spend this time on ths issue because I don't it to be said that I saw my brother going down the wrong way of the street and I did not warn him! Do you think that I use my personal feelings to formulate opinions? I use the Word of God! and I certainly am not giving you regurgetated responses; if someone else happens to have read the same bible that I did and prayed to the same God I Did and received direction from the same Holy Ghost that I did then its no wonder we came to the same conclusion; you on the other hand...


Pastor Hodge
Tarik I posted something that frankly i was not proud of. Suffice it to say I allowed you to get to me. It wont happen again. With regard to your posting, I have disected it for you after having cooled off:

Dear Sir,

I am not going to use a lot of pleasentries that neither you or I mean...

And here we go, you open with a veiled insult, how do you know what I mean, what now you are claiming the gift of omniscience?

We both know good and well that I m not convicting you of anything at all;

You are not capable of convicting me, and if you read what I wrote you would see that I said “attempting” One minute you are insecure, the next you are having delusions of grandeur why so double minded?


you are the one that introducing the "foreign issue"

What foreign issue, I thought we were talking about Hip Hop?

how can you the one introducing the notion of Hip Hop foolishness

I am sorry but this thread is about Hip hop, if you want to talk about knitting I am not sure that this is even the right blog for it, you may want to do a google search. You do know how to do a google search do you not? You type in g-o-o-g-l-e into your browser, now this will work on either Firefox or IE. ..


I am simply rejecting it on based on the what it is and what it stands for! you are the one trying to pull me to your sie of the argument!

I am doing no such thing I am not putting weapon first to your head and telling you what to think, besides it would look foolish of me to put a weapon next to something hollow, and attempt to move it anywhere as thick as your head is I doubt I could get it to move.…


you want to use some nasty ungodly dead animal that died old age and drag it into Gods house and you think just because you fried it up an shoved an apple down its throat ...and you can feed whatever slop you want to God's people you want! (that seems to be wants selling now anyway)

Ok hoss back down from the belief that somehow you get to use such language, I am not your child, and based on what I see here we need to be praying for the child because he or she is in trouble. “I dare” last time I checked son you rule nothing down here except your own home, and your church that currently is on loan to you.. So take the bass out your voice, aint nobody least of all me scared of you.
1. You are the one who brought in the pig analogy
2. If you do not want me to use your language to make you look silly in a debate, well honestly there is nothing you can do about that except maybe grow a thicker skin.
3. If you cannot deal with being in a debate as this is, see option 2


do you actually believe that foolishness that Kirk Franklin does is any better is that the litmus test if Kirk does it, it must be good? the probem is sir that you look at the black church as a monolithic demographic and that is a mistake!


Son once again if you notice, I have not used Kirk in any of my examples. I have used Richard Smallwood, I have used Walter Hawkins, I have used Jonathan Nelson, You must have me confused with my brother Derrick Day, now he has used Kirk Franklin, and even asked you a question that you have ignored mostly I bet based on this pitiful diatribe that you call an answer on the fact that you cannot answer his question much like you cannot answer mine.

I personally would never buy a CD from Kirk or any of that other nonesense that you named because its simply ignorant and unGodly!

No one here has asked you to buy anything, or do anything that you did not want to do. I have said that ad nauseum and you either are as illiterate as you are aloof or you are as insecure as you show yourself to be. This little diatribe that you wrote is not godly either.. you open up with an attempt at being rude, you insult me, and at the end you basically tell me that I am not saved… Son you are not qualified to make such statements, when did you live a sinless life, when did you bleed, when did you die, when did you get up, when did you ascend into heaven, when did you sit at the right hand of the Father, and when pretell are you coming back because if this is it, you need to do it over again because it’s a huge letdown.

" If I want to listing to Holy Hip Hop, why do you percieve that it is your position to try to convict me of doing so"

Oh now you prove my point of a few paragraphs, tell me when did it dawn on you that I said try, and not that you actually did?


I don't care what you listen too! You're the one trying to shove that trash down my throat!

I am doing no such thing, I am debating you, and the thing is apparently that you are not mature enough to be in a debate because….
1. You cannot seem to get a grasp on answering questions concerning the debate
2. You want to whine about it disguising it in a fake sanctimonious argument that means very little
3. You show that you are adept at obfuscation. I would define it but you need the practice of looking up your own words..


If this was an issue with you presalvation, that is one thing, but to take it and attempt to make something that effected you presalvation an eternal truth, that is wrong.

Are you out of your mind...this has nothing to do with...Pre-salvation" you aughto to know and I do know that this is wrong and if you don't know by now. its because you don't want to know the truth...I never heard of Gospel rap until I got into the Church anyway so what are talking about?

No I am very sane, but you appear to have lost yours , Tarik who brought up their lives before being saved, YOU DID.. Who made it fair game by doing so…YOU DID… If you do not want something used in a debate or have something that you say examined, consider this piece of advice my mom gave to me. THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK OR IN THIS CASE ENGAGE GREY MATTER BEFORE PUTTING FINGERS TO KEYBOARD.

"Lewis admitted that there is no issue with Holy Hip Hop" AGAIN: WHO IS LEWIS? whoever he is...do you think that I use him as measuring stick to salvation? I use the Word of God! Do you think I use my personal beliefs to construct thought? I use the Word of God! do honestly believe that I spend this time on this issue because I am using my likes or dislikes? I spend this time on ths issue because I don't it to be said that I saw my brother going down the wrong way of the street and I did not warn him! Do you think that I use my personal feelings to formulate opinions? I use the Word of God! and I certainly am not giving you regurgetated responses; if someone else happens to have read the same bible that I did and prayed to the same God I Did and received direction from the same Holy Ghost that I did then its no wonder we came to the same conclusion; you on the other hand...

1. I draw the line at you or anyone else questioning my salvation based on a debate.
2. You haven’t the mental faculties let alone the mental acumen to determine the condition of my soul
3. I will be praying for you, and your members, your answer here shows me that you are open to commit some form of spiritual abuse if you have not done it already.
4. Yes you do use your personal beliefs to form your opinion, you are after all HUMAN or are you saying something different?
5. Your points have been deconstructed and taken apart biblically. I told you from the onset that I am not trying to make you see anything you are free to do whatever you want to do at your church. But you seem to be more than a little insecure about it. There are places you can go for treatment for that. I used to live in Ypsi, worked for a minute at EMU if you want I can recommend someone for you. But you apparently need to get some help, all joking aside. You need to talk to someone before you do harm to someone. Or do this to the wrong person and really get your feelings hurt.

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