I'd really like to know the answer to this. It seems to me that the majority of Christianity loves to disregard this certain aspect that should be apart of their daily walk. Here is a heart pounding, thought provoking question:

If Yeshuah gathered all Christians around the world, and He asked them the question,"Who wants to keep Torah?" How many of you Christians on here will actually say YES LORD! to Messiah??

Views: 12

Reply to This

Replies to This Discussion

James, my understanding of the walk of the Torah is fulfilled in Yeshuah, when I walk in Love, and I would say yes this is my goal now, in Yeshuah, to walk in Love, to be forgiving, longsuffering, and to turn my cheek to the old and press forward in Yeshuah.

The anthem of my National church is "Yes" Yes Lord to your will

Actually, there aren't any scriptures proving your actual statement. To say that the Torah is fulfilled in Yeshuah, is to say that Yeshuah keeps the Torah for us. We are still commanded to keep Torah, because it is part of the New Covenant decrees that is laid out in Jeremiah 31:31-34 & Hebrews 8:8-12. Loving Yehwah with all your heart, and loving your fellow man as yourself sums up the Torah, indeed, but in order to carry out those 2 commandments, you have to actually do the whole Torah!


How do you refrain from murdering someone, or stealing, etc? Its foolish to ask such question on how does one keep Torah. Elder, Torah is apart of the New Covenant decrees which is stated in Jeremiah 31:31-34 & Hebrews 8:8-12. Yes, Torah was a school master to guide us to Yeshuah, but that never meant to discontinue keeping it. No such scripture supports that. The commandment to love one another is actually in Leviticus 19:18. In order to actually do that, you must actually keep Torah. Do not deceived.
What is needed is a clear understanding and teaching on -

(1) what the Torah really is (defined) and how God views and uses it,
(2) what does the fulfillment of Torah actually mean,
(3) the difference between the written and oral Torah,
(4) the difference between the law, ordinances and statutes,
(5) the place and purpose of men's interpretation of the law, ordinances and statutes, and how those interpretations are to be applied to (and in) one's life (the role of the schoolmaster),
(6) what ordinances did Jesus nail to His cross and how is that act suppose to effect (impact) our lives,
(7) what is the relationship between the law and grace,
(8) what is the beginning and the end of Torah,
(9) what are the laws that God intended to write on the hearts and minds of His people,
(10) what is the relationship between God and man, how is that relationship to be understood and practiced - and how does the Torah impact/define that relationship
(11) how does one obey (if it is possible) the commandments of Torah, even those of Jesus Christ, and not fall under the curse of the law, and
(12) what are the duel roles of love and faith in the understanding of Torah?

It has been my experience that those who take a position - on either side of the Torah observance issue - frequently fall into Rabbi Sha'ul's (Paul's) admonishment to Timothy. 1 Timothy 1:5-8, Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;(having…: or, not aiming at) Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; ...

Last question: How does one use the law, lawfully?

This study is necessary if one truly desires to know something of the mind of God.
John 13:34

A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another

Hbr 10:1

For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

It is interesting that you posted John 13:34. The commandment that Yeshuah gave us is not new at all. The commandment to love one another is in Leviticus 19:18,"You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the sons of your own people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am Yehwah." The word "new" was most likely added to the text to support the lawlessness of Christianity.

Shadow does not mean void of practice lol. In the Hebrew, it says that Torah is a rehearsal of things to come. Again, the Torah is decreed in the New Covenant, Altha(Jeremiah 31:31-34 & Hebrews 8:8-12). Read those scriptures.
James, see this amazes me,

8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

I have no argument with you on that, for that day came with Yeshua, HE fulfilled it, did not do away with it but fulfilled, exactly what HE said here!

Why is it wrong for me in your opinion to say that I keep Torah in the Love I possess from Christ?

Because if you claim to possess love, but do not keep the Shabbat, the rest of the 9 commandments, eat Torah approved foods, and the rest of Torah, then you are a liar, and the truth is not in you. 1 john 2,"Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him." If you claim to love Yehwah, but keep not his Torah, then you really do not love Him. Your love for Yehwah & Yeshuah is proven through your obedience to them via Torah. There's no way around this.
alright at least I know where you are coming from, but know that the Love of Christ is a personal issue, I know the changes he has made in my mind, spirit and body.

I keep the Shabbat everyday, I do not lie, steal, covet, bear false witness, I put into my body those things that are good. See there was a time when I did these things, so I witness a change in myself first and others witnessed it afterwards because of my love for Christ.

Am I perfect? No, for if I say I have no sin then I would be lying and the truth would not be in me.

I won't go to scriptures with you on this for you would just throw scriptures back, however James, I'm endowed with the power of the Holy Ghost to witness unto you the change in my life, and no one can take that witness from me. And I'm so glad that it is God that holds me in HIS hand.

Shalom lil brother, Lord knows you'll be the first one I knock upside the head at the feast lol

I love the grace of your response. I appreciate that. I want you to know that when I do speak, my intentions are not to offend, or yell at you, or even belittle you. It's just that I naturally speak with authority, and sometimes it may seem that I just do not care about people's feelings. But, I do. Love you sis!
The two things that got me here sis are:

-"I keep the Shabbat everyday" (According to Romans 14:5-6)
-"I'm endowed with the power of the Holy Ghost to witness unto you the change in my life, and no one can take that witness from me."

Thats powerful!

One interesting thing is that the Shabbat, according to scripture, is on one day only, and that day is the 7th day. Scriptures never says anything about making everyday the Shabbat. Thats man tradition.


© 2024   Created by Raliegh Jones Jr..   Powered by

Badges  |  Report an Issue  |  Terms of Service