IS IT GOOD FOR UNMARRIED PERSON TO BE ELECTED AS A BISHOP? ,SHOULD A WOMAN BE CALLED AN APOSTLE OR A BISHOP?

Fellow Brothers, Sisters, Pastors and Lawyers, I would like us to delibrate on this Topic, either in support or Against with Bible refrences, should a woman , married or unmarried be addressed as an Apostle or a Bishop?

Secondly, should a woman head a church where there are other qualified pastors or ministers in the same church?

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1Co 11:3 "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."

1Ti 2:12 "But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness."
1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve;
1Ti 2:14 and Adam was not beguiled, but the woman being beguiled hath fallen into transgression:"

1Ti 3:2 "The bishop therefore must be without reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, orderly, given to hospitality, apt to teach;"

1Ti 5:14 "I desire therefore that the younger widows marry, bear children, rule the household, give no occasion to the adversary for reviling:
1Ti 5:15 for already some are turned aside after Satan."

It is written....Thus sayeth the Lord.
HalleluYAH Brother Anthony.... It needs to be said again....take a moment and let us receive Abba's Truth here.

The thing that I love most about the bible is that not only can we find instructions from God, but that we are allowed to see God's people at ther best and at thier worst. (Abraham and Sarah, David, Solomon, Peter, Paul, etc) In 1 Timothy 2:12, Paul says I do not allow..., was he giving a personal opinion or speaking on God's behalf?

Secondly, if we truly were to follow 1 Tim. 3:2, then can a divorced man or a widower who remarries, be a bishop? Or must a bishop be married?

We cannot pick and choose what we want to follow. If we are going to take the bible very literally, then we must follow of it to the letter. But then we would become just as guilty if not more, as the religious leaders of Jesus' day.



So Well Stated.... Now, what has The Most High or Yahushua commanded that supports this opinion of Paul's?
As an Apostle of the LORD JESUS representing the Kingdom Of GOD, his opinion is more than just "an opinion". An Epistle may have opinions within it, but try to understand something here: an Epistle isn't any old letter, it is literally a binding legal government document. When an epistle was sent out it had the seal of the King and/or Kingdom on it, embossed into it by the officials signet ring. For us Christians, the seal of the Apostle was spiritual, with the Holy Ghost as the seal Himself. The literal seal of the Apostle came later on when they started giving Bishops a signet ring during ordination. What is written, IS WRITTEN. By the standard that you place, you might as well say that the scripture is flawed. Its not flaw here, but a misunderstanding of what Paul spoke of who he was speaking directly to, what he spoke about and when did he speak this aka Hermeneutics.
Hello,

In response to the scripture reference you used, (1Ti 2:12-14) by any chance did you research why he said that? Please let me know.

bwk
Eze 22:30 "And I sought for a man among them, that should build up the wall, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it; but I found none."

As I reflect upon this very topic and to see what is occurring among the church leadership where it seems as if God's structure, order and role is being compromised by subverting and usurping God's standard as described in 1 Timothy and the book of Titus as a guide in dealing with the church hierarchy. I felt the need to revisit this very important issue with a more careful and candid viewpoint in how this new phenomenon of women being in the role of leadership, especially within the African American church.

God's standard is the standard in which we all should subscribe to and never to be compromised to appease those who seek to replace the truths of a Holy, Just and righteous God for our own agenda, which as the wise man Solomon suggests is:

Ecc 1:14 "I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and, behold, all is vanity and a striving after wind."

So the question that I'm asking is, is the reason why so many women who are 'called' to be pastors and bishops and leaders of the church body are called for vanity reasons or of necessity, since as last report and statistics that have found that over 75% of those who sit in the pews to hear a message from God to equip, teach and preach are made up of women. The men are seemingly visibly absent from anything that has anything to do with the structure of church as it is today. Where are the men? And how do we close the gap in creating a more balanced church where men can receive salvation to be involved in Kingdom work? Faith always comes by hearing, and the hearing of the Word of God. Many of those who been found called to serve the office of Bishop, didn't happen by osmosis nor in a vacuum, but by not forsaking the assembly and bein in position to receive a profound word that made its way to the elect's heart to be nudged by the Holy Spirit.

As for the 25% to 75% ratio. It is a simple fix. We need to bring the Gospel to the lost as we are commanded, Matthew 28:18-20; Mark 16:15; Acts 1:8, etc. By calling men to repentance and genuine faith in Christ for the forgiveness of their crimes against heaven (willful sins) and seeing their lives transformed by the power of the Gospel we can close the gap. By the way these men who profess faith in Christ should be held to the test of salvation that Christ gives in John 10:27 without excuse or exception.

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

I just wanted to bring out two other points on this subject. The first is I believe that the church (Christians) as a whole in our society has a problem with bringing our americanism to the church and how we approach God rather than bringing our christianism to our society. As a result I believe that we try to bring whatever changes in the country to the church. I think we need to be careful of this because we are called to be different or set apart not to mirror our society. The second issue is I believe that it is probably more of the issue of why most men don't stand up and lead the churches or their homes.

Lets face it, 80% of all black babies born today are born outside of wedlock and are fatherless orphans. The Bible defines and orphan as one who is fatherless, regardless as whether a mother, grandmother or auntie is present, he/she is still fatherless orphans. Isn't it amazing how God in all of His grace shares His title as Father to us lowly men as fathers. And with that title comes an amazing responsibility to be an example of the Holy Father. How does a child believe in a Holy Father that never leaves nor forsakes us, when our very own physical father abandoned us? How do we believe in an invible Holy Father, when the fathers we can see are not around? Tough sell isn't it? I thank God for the Holy Spirit that reveals and illuminates the blind so that they may be able to see and comprehend the invisible things of God.

The hard facts speak for themselves. We have over 2 million black men currently in prison and a third of all black men in America have criminal records that hinders many of them to find adequate work in order to feed themselves, let alone their own children. Black women comprise now the head of household, where the black man has been commanded to fill. Then there is a large number of black men who are living a homosexual lifestyle or a lifestyle of complete depravity. There are more black women attaining higher degrees than black men almost by 4 to 1 creating another imbalance in the structural employment gap. While many black sisters are fast becoming employable while many black men are unemployed and unemployable and are now intimidated by these same "strong" black women who insist that they cannot find a suitable husband who can carry her and the children financially as well as biblically in being able to properly cultivate, provide and to protect the home adequately as the true gatekeepers of our homes, communities and nation. Black women are now boldly and unabashedly proclaiming, "I'm the mother and the father?"

We are being sifted like wheat!

Amos 3:3 "Can two walk together unless they be agreed?" Good question.

Unfortunately, many sisters are missing the ministry God gave them because they are seeking the ministry God gave to their brothers instead. Titus chapter two describes a much needed ministry in our churches and society as a whole today. I know that it is neglected because we have 70% of children born out of wedlock, 50% divorce rate, and a +70% HIV infection rate. Maybe you should utilize your gift in the parameters that God has established in the word of God even if no one sees you but Him. I think that Jesus mentioned that those working to be seen of men have their reward.

Titus 2:3-5 "The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed."

Unless the adults in your church are ALL female, you are in direct violation of this scripture each and every time you teach God's word to the men in attendance at your church.

It is CLEAR that many men are failing to meet their responsibilities in the church and in the home. It is therefore understandable that many women fill lead to fill roles not intended for them by God. We are seeing the results this have reaped upon our homes. The statistic mentioned by above are very real and a direct result of our failure to submit to Gods order. This is a failure of MEN.

If women want to help men meet their responsibility, they can best accomplish this by fulfilling their own responsibility, not by assuming the responsibility of men. Part of a womans responsibility, as indicated by Tit 2:5 is "To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed."

Chaste is, by definition, refraining from sexual intercourse that is regarded as contrary to morality or religion. At this point you are probably asking "What in the world does that have to do with "Women Pastors?". Well, while women are busy fulfilling the role of men, the role of women are being abandoned. So, contrary to Gods will, we have the role of men being filled by women and the role of women being abandoned. Is there any wonder 70% of black children are being born out of wedlock??? Is there any wonder that nearly 70% of new cases among women of HIV/AIDS in 2005 was black women? Is this not the hand writting on the wall? Who is fullfilling the womans role of teaching the principles of Titus 2:3 - 5 to young women?

We lack reverence for God's word and are clearly reaping the results that are warned of in Titus 2:5 "That the word of God be not blasphemed". Yes, we are doing things OUR humanly expediant way, reaping the results of doing so and acting as though this is just the way things has to be. I assure you, this is not the way it has to be, this is the way of the world. We can't just depart from Gods order and expect God to reward us.

I apologize for the long dissertation, but I am passionate about the fate of the black family. The solution to all of our problems in black America rest compassionately in Gods order. The statistics on fatherless homes are well documented, yet we as a people, thrust 80% of our children into this inherent risk group. Not until we order our lives in accordance with Gods word can we expect to turn these statistics around.

God Bless

In His Grip

Scott
CONSIDER THIS:
1.A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, ... The Bishop, then, is to be a man of good name, the husband of one wife.The husband of one wife. A married man, and having only one wife

2.What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. ... A bishop then must be blameless. NOT a divorce polygamy and adultery.1Timothy 3:2

Since a Bishop is a husband of one man, not a wife of one man, This is a simple grammer, then why do some Churches Elect women as a bishop? Secondly if a Bishop is the Husband of one wife, why is it some young men who are not married, without pastors under them are been Elected as Bishop as well?

Lastly,A bishop must be blameless, why is it some pastors who divorces their wives and re-marry and re-marry again are been elected to the office of a bishop? Is it not polygamy and adultery?
Apostle Dr.Prince Nnams Kalu
bishopnnams@yahoo.com
Amen to that Deborah Nnams

Why choose just what we want to look at as an offense, but leave the other undone?

We see what we wanna see to justify our own offense. Can a Bishop who divorces and remarry still be called a Bishop or should he?

The Word of God has been compromised and watered down so much, most don't know what is truth.

Are we doers of the Word or seek our own agendas?

Scott
Thank You for your response, The word of God says you shall no the truth and the truth shall set you free. You give what you have, you cannot give what you dont have. A polygamos, adulterous or a divorced pastor, bishop without forgiveness Spirit, will also transfered the same spirit to his members if they are not prayerful .

SHOW ME YOUR FRIEND,AND I TELL YOU WHOM YOU ARE, SHOW ME YOUR PASTOR AND I WILL TELL YOU WHOM YOU ARE TOO!
God Bless everyone,
Well First, after careful study i think we all have to realize King James version didnt come from heaven it came from England. IN the orginal text it didnt say man but PERSON which changes the whole meaning of the word.(And married to One. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, ... The Bishop, then, is to be a man of good name, the husband of one wife.The husband of one wife. A married man, and having only one wife)

And if we debate about women assuming the role of a Bishop them we must go back to it orginal meaning which is Pastor or Overseer.
Everyone, is dealing with a women being called Bishop but no one is dealing with that Apostle title. I have started a thread on this very subject of people in general calling themselves Apostles. Check it out. But for a glimpse of were I stand in my study I have come to the conclusion that an apostle must have seen the resurrected Christ. And thats just for starters! Check out the form.
DEAR BROTHER MOREH, YAHWEH

ALL PRAISES UNTO GOD,THE FATHER & CREATOR OF ALL FLESH.

YES, ALL ARE NOT CALLED TO LEAD IN PULPITS OR WITH GREAT TITLES!!
"ARE ALL APOSTELS, PROPHETS,EVANGELISTS, PASTORS OR TEACHERS???. BUT WHO ARE YOU TO REALLY KNOW!!
IF YOU TRULY KNOW THE FATHER ,YOU WOULD KNOW WHO HE HAS CALLED AND SENT!!! !!QUOTE JESUS 'S WORD, WHEN YOU SEE ME,(MANY WOMEN WHO ARE WALKING OBEDIENT TO GOD'S WILL),YOU SEE THE FATHER !!!!
I AM TOTALLY AGAISNT YOUR VIEWS ON THE ISSUES OF WOMEN,THE ROLE & IN LEADERSHIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

"WHERE WERE YOU WHEN GOD CAME AND VISITED ME PERSONALLY? NO ONE TOLD ME OR PROPHESIED TO ME,ABOUT "THE CALL" GOD CAME TO ME IN PERSON? "WHERE WERE YOU WHEN HE LAID HIS HANDS ON ME AND COMMISSIONED ME TO GO? ECCELESIASTICALLY PRESBYTERY, LATER CONFIRMED AND SANCTIONED ME!!!!

NO ONE ELSE WAS THERE. "HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU PERSONALLY EXPERIENCED GOD'S ONE TO ONE VISITATIONS OF HIS EXALTED GLORIOUS PRESENCE? YOU WERE NOT THERE WITH US!! "HOW CAN YOU TELL OTHERS WHO THEY ARE OR WHAT THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DO OR BECOME??? I DO HAVE AN APOSTLE/PROPHET AS MY HUSBAND & LEADER,YET BEFORE HE CAME INTO MY LIFE AS GOD SENT HIM, "I WAS ALREADY" BEFORE HE CAME. AND AT PRESENT, JESUS IS STILL MAKING ME, AND I THANK GOD FOR JESUS PRAYING FOR ALL OF US, OR ELSE GOD WOULD!!!!!????MY HUSBAND AND APOSTLE/PROPHET/BISHOP OVERSEEING OTHER CHURCHES) HAD NOT ONE TIME DISRESPECTD OR DISAPPROVED WOMEN AS LEADERS. YOU SEE, BECAUSE HE KNOWS THE HEAR, MIND AND VOICE OF THE FATHER "JEHOVAH GOD" I WAS ALREADY IN THE PROPHETIC MINISTRY DOING AND SAYING WHAT GOD HAS TOLD ME TO SAY. AND YES, JESUS, MY BIG BROTHER, MY SAVIOR AND LORD, WHO LEADS, SPEAKS AND DIRECTS IS STILL PLEASED !!YOU WERE NOT THERE MY BROTHER!!

YOU SEE, MY BROTHER, I AM NOT CALLED TO BE BAREFOOT AND PREGNANT, OR IN THE KITCHEN OR WITH CHILDREN ALONE. I WAS CALLED FOR SOMETHING GREATER THAN THAT. FOR HIS PRAISE AND FOR HIS GLORY TO THE NATION !!!!! NO BOAST, BUT I KNOW HIM (PHIL 3:10) IN THE FELLOWSHIP OF HIS SUFFERINGS. I HAVE PAID A PRICE FOR THIS ANOINTING, THAT HE HAS GIVEN UNTO ME, & IS BEING FASHIONED AND MADE IN HIS IMAGE & LIKENESS
.!!! WHAT AN AWESOME GOD HE IS!!!!

(BLESSED ARE YE,MATT 5:10-12) WHEN MEN SHALL REVILE YE. & PSESECUTE YOU, & SHALL SAY ALL MANNER OF EVIL AGAINST FALSELY, FOR MY SAKE, REJOICE !! & BE EXCEEDINGLY GLAD,FOR GREAT IS YOUR REWARD IN HEAVEN, FOR SO PERSECUTED THE PROPHETS WHICH WERE BEFORE YOU!!
SO I REJOICE
,NOT DEBATE OR ARGUE WITH YOU.!!!
I AM TEACHING TO HELP YOU, SOMETHINGS THAT YOU KNOW NOT!! YOU DO NOT KNOW THE FATHER OR HIS MIND, HIS HEART, OR HAVE HIS HOLY SPIRIT!!YES,SOMEONE COMMENTED, "YOU ARE INDEED A PHARICEE!!!!! SHAME ON YOU!!!!

I HAVE BEEN CALLED, ANOINTED & APPOINTED IN HIS PRESENCE, I HAVE BEEN CALLED TO SHOW FORTH HIS PRAISE, FOR HIS USE AND PURPOSES!!!!!
I HAVE BEEN CALLED TO SET THE CAPTIVE FREE,AND THOSE IN DARKNES TO SHOW THE LIGHT!! FOR THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD JESUS IS UPON ME, FOR HE HAS ANOINTED ME TO PREACH THE GOSPEL, TO OPEN THE EYES OF THE BLIND,SUCH AS YOURS!! !!!BE NOT OFFENDEED!! BUT I CORRECT YOU AS THE WORD OF GOD SAYS!! IT IS TRUTH!!!
"
HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU HEARD CLEAR DIRECTIONS FROM GOD, WITHOUT ANOTHER MAN TELLING YOU ANYTHING?, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU WITNESSED, ENCOUNTERED THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD GOD, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU WALKED INTO HIS GLORY???

IT WAS NOT A PHARISEE OR A SADDUCEE!!!!! IT WAS NOT A BIBLE THUMPER WHO STUDIED ALL DAY OR ALL NIGHT, AND STILL IS NOT FILLED THE "REAL SPIRIT OF GOD!!! MANY STUDY TO TEAR DOWN OTHERS, TO SAY THEIR RELIGION IS BETTER, AND YET DO NOT UNDERSTAND OR HAS COME TO THE FULL KNOWLEDGE OF TRUTH. (EVER LEARNING) , THOSE WHO HAVE HAVE A REAL PERSONAL VISITATION AND A KNOWING OF THE FATHER , THEN HE/SHE WILL NOT TEAR DOWN OR JUDGE OTHERS FOR THEIR BELIEFS, WORK, CALL AND KNOWING". IF YOU LOVE ME,YOU WOULD OBEY MY COMMANDMENTS, !!!! JOHN14:21-26

HIS QUEEN "ISRAEL",

IN HIS SERVICE
Very well, stated, and I agree with you, Pastor Eric Fine.

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