Moses wrote about Him? Where?

[James Pierce]

This is where the rubber meets the road. We truly preach Messiah, but do we know where Moses wrote about Him? Jews really attack us here, and many do not have an answer. Understanding where Moses wrote about Messiah is the foundation of understanding Messiah. Many give Christian interpretations to the so called "Messianic prophecies" of the Old Testament, but is there a Hebrew interpretation towards them. So, the challenging question for us all is.

IF MOSES WROTE ABOUT YESHUA... WHERE!?

[Eccl. 12:13]

What most do not understand is that the God of the OT was in fact Jesus. Jesus is NOT the Father, but He is the one that spoke all of those things in the OT.

Jesus is the one that said, "Let there be light"! How, one may ask? John tell us. Let's read;

John
1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

So we have a God that was called the word AND a God the Word was with.

Now of these two, which do you think spoke those words, "Let there be light"? The WORD!!!

Here is another example;

Zech.12
[10] And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

So we have the God of the OT speaking about a future time when He will be "pierced", "mourned for as an only son" and shall be in bitterness as for his "firstborn"

Now who did ALL of these things happen to? Jesus Christ! Let's prove it. Let's see if all that God said would happen to Him actually did.

John.19
[34] But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
[37] And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced. (Sounds familiar?)

Rev.1
[7] Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

So it was Jesus Christ that was "pierced". Let's read more;

John.1
[14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John.3
[16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

It was Jesus Christ that was called the, "only begotten Son". Here is more;

Col.1
[15] Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Rom.8
[29] For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

And finally, it was Jesus Christ that was called the "firstborn".

Now the God of the OT said ALL of these things would happen to HIM. And as we just read, each and everything He said would happen did.

Now who did ALL of these things happen to? Jesus Christ!



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[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

I agree totally

[Della Morton]

Yeah you guys believe in three separate persons in a trinity. This is false and not Biblical!
It is not hard to understand that Jesus had a dual nature without The Trinity! Here's why!

Without understanding the dual nature of Christ you may believe that God is two, three or more. If one does not get a clear revelation of the dual nature of the Lord Jesus Christ then he/she may not see how that God is ONE in number, ONE in person. Please let me explain:

To understand Christ's dual nature, first you must STOP trying to prove what you believe!

If a man for the first time heard of God and seen a Bible what would he believe? With no preconceived ideas or religious teaching he must be open minded for truth or he will never receive it. The Bible says that "the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God for they are foolishness unto him".

Christ while on earth had two natures. The first was a human nature and number two a divine nature.

He did many things as a man and he did many things as God. Sometimes the Bible refers to him as human but other times it refers to him as God. What you must do is understand which nature is being referred to. If a nature to you is a person then you will have at least two persons of God. In doing this you also will make yourself two persons! If you have the Holy Ghost then you have a divine nature but at the same time you are reminded daily that you have a human nature.

Here are a fews things Jesus did as a man.

1. He was born
2. He slept in a boat
3. He ate
4. He wept
5. He died
6. He was buried



Here are a few things Christ did as God.

1. He spoke to the storm and it stopped
2. He multiplied the fish
3. He raised Lazarus from the dead
4. He made the blind to see
5. He walked on water
6. He raised himself from the dead

The examples can go on and on but I think you get the point. We also received a "divine nature" the Bible says. So when you "walk" in the Spirit as Paul taught, you are walking in that divine nature. In that divine nature miracles are bound to happen! As Jesus did miracles as a man through his divine nature we also can do miracles through that divine nature dwelling in us. As Jesus was the son of God here on earth, we also are sons and daughters of God in this world, we are the physical body of Christ in this world today.

Notice the terminology the Bible uses about Jesus. There are terms for the human nature and terms for the divine nature.

Terms for the human nature.

* flesh
* lamb
* son
* man


Terms for the divine nature

* Spirit
* God
* Holy Ghost
* Father

The terms "flesh, lamb, son and man" point to Jesus' humanity.

The terms "God, Spirit, Holy Ghost and Father" point to Jesus' deity.

Jesus said in John "the works I do I do not of myself, it is the Father that dwelleth in me , he doeth the works." Understand that your flesh cannot do a miracle. Jesus was saying that even about himself. It was the Father in him doing the miracles. Jesus said "the flesh profiteth nothing, it is the Spirit that quickeneth." The two natures fused into one person. Jesus said in John 3, he that is born of the Spirit is Spirit and he that is born of the flesh is flesh".

We at some point get born again and we immediately have two natures. We are born with the nature of flesh but the new birth gives us that divine nature!

John 4:24 tells us that "God is a Spirit". That Spirit (God) spoke a seed into the womb of Mary and this baby to be born was the son of God. When this baby was born, he was born with two natures. He did not have to be born again. Yes, Jesus was born with a human nature and a God nature. 1 Timothy 3:16 says that "God was manifest in the flesh". Who was manifest in the flesh? Jehovah God was! God was revealed in a human body! The invisible Jehovah God was made known to us as a man and we call him the Son of God! This Son of God was Jehovah God of the Old Testament revealed in human form!

Jesus the man was at the same time Jehovah God! Jesus had two natures, one was divine and the other was human. One nature was temporal and the other was eternal. One nature was Spirit and the other was flesh! And NO HE DIDN'T Stop being God at any time!

The Lord Bless you with understanding of His Word!

[Della Morton]

Let's Examine The Evidence of the Trinity. (Think about This.)



"The Torah starts with the proclamation of the Only One, and later Judaism marches through the nations and ages of history with a never-silent protest against polytheism of every kind, against every division of the Godhead
into parts, powers, or persons."

"The first pages of Genesis, the opening of the Torah, as well as the exilic portions of Isaiah which form the culmination of the prophets, and the Psalms also, prove sufficiently that at their time monotheism was an axiom of
Judaism."

"The churchmen have attempted often enough to harmonize the dualism or trinitarianism of Christianity with the monotheism of the Bible. Still Judaism persist in considering such an infringement upon the belief in Israel's one and
only God as really a compromise with heathenism. 'A Jew is he who opposes every
sort of polytheism,' says the Talmud."

"The Jewish martyrs likewise cheerfully offered up their lives in His honor; and thus all hearts echoed the battle-cry of the centuries, 'Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One,' and all minds were illuminated by
the radiant hope, 'The Lord will be King of the earth; on that day the Lord
shall be One, and His name One.'"

These quotes selected from Jewish Theology, by Dr. K. Kohler, KTAV Publishing House Inc. New York, © 1968, pages 82-88

It was into this kind of world, people with this view of God that Jesus walked among and spoke to about God. The few Old Testament verses often used to try and prove God is a Trinity had no impact on the Jew's thought
about God's absolute Oneness! For some 4,000 years they viewed God as
ONE. The use of "us" in Genesis, the 2,500+ times "Elohim"
is used, a Hebrew word that can be used as a plural form of God, but is
also used in relationship with known singular heathen gods. The use of the
Hebrew word "Echad," a uni-plural form of the word "one." In
spite of all these supposed possible pluralities within the language of
the Old Testament, the ones who wrote it, in their own language, knew what they
meant by it, and did not interpret it to be plural "beings" in any
way, shape, or form! To them this was simply a way to bestow multiple glories,
majesty, or powers to their One and Only God! A multiplicity of magnificence,
absolutely! A multiplicity of persons, NO, a thousand
times! It was among these people, with this view of God that Jesus spent the
majority of His ministry teaching them about God.

So what is the Jew's view of God? God is a Spirit that is everywhere, Ps. 139:7-12. In spite of the many ways he has revealed himself in the Old Testament, his numerical integrity was not altered! He appeared as the Angel of
the Lord to Abraham, Jacob, Joshua, Manoah and his wife. He appeared as a
burning bush to Moses, a pillar of cloud by day and a pillar of fire by night to
the Jew's in the wilderness. Even spoke to Balaam through a donkey! None of
these appearances changed the fact that he is One Spirit! One God! In Mal. 3:6,
God declares, "For I am the LORD, I change not;"

So does Jesus reveal God as a Trinity? It is clear from the Jew's understanding of God this would be the first opportunity for them to see God in such a way in 4,000 years, that is if God were indeed a Trinity!

How would Jesus go about revealing God as a Trinity? Would he be blatant or subtle? Would it be in a parable or clearly spoken? And although the Jew's rejected Jesus, was it because he spoke of God as a Trinity or they simply did
not see him as their Messiah? Because they could not understand the incarnation?
It is clear from the past two thousand years the Jew's have rejected the Trinity
all the way to death. So let us see how Jesus reveals God to the Jew's.

First we will look at how often each of the primary books containing the words of Jesus mentions the Holy Spirit. The reason we are looking at the Spirit is that in the trinity this is the weak link. So if this breaks then there is no
trinity! Note: This will not include other references to
the Holy Spirit within these writings. References such as the Holy Spirit
Fathering Jesus, or John the Baptist saying Jesus would baptize with the Holy
Spirit and fire. Only those references made by Jesus himself, opportunities
where He could reveal His supposed co-lateral beings.

Matthew Mark Luke John
Acts

Spirit (Holy) 6 times 3times 4 times 10
times 2 times
Comforter
4 times
Living Water
4 times
Promise of the Father
1 time

1 time
Totals

6 times 3
times 5 times
18 times
3 times 35
times

It is clear John records more of Jesus speaking about the Spirit than any other writer, with three times as many references. In fact more than the others combined! But if Jesus is indeed presenting a bold new truth about the God the
Jew's served for the past 4,000 years, wouldn't all the writers
feel obligated to help in this revelation? That is if they indeed understood and
believed it themselves? Or was it a "later" revelation?

Jesus spoke specifically of the Spirit only 35 times! That is contrasted by the 178 times Jesus refers to the Father! Co-equal? There certainly isn't equal representation in print!

Since the Trinity was not revealed in the Old Testament, we should find Jesus revealing it! Here are the 35 account of Jesus speaking of the Spirit in the New Testament. (If you consider the parallel passages, the total is more like 27
than 35! Two of MT's are also in MK and LK, the third one from MK is in MT
[making all of MK's in MT also] and one of LK's is in Acts, leaving only 27
original references)

Matthew
Matt. 10:19 & 20 "But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour
what ye shall speak. 20For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of
your Father which speaketh in you."

(Parallel's with MK 13:11, and LK 12:11-12)

Is it not inconceivable, that Matthew waited until now for his first mention of the Spirit by Jesus? And this passage gives no indication the Father and the Spirit are distinct and separate! Think of it! The Sermon on the Mount in
chapters 5, 6, & 7. The Lord's prayer. All without a hint of a third person
within the Godhead! He even fed 5,000 men plus women and children in Mt. 14, and
4,000 men plus women and children in Mt. 15. Surely these would have been some
of His largest crowds! Is it not inconceivable that the Spirit is not mentioned
in these settings? (While it is understood that Jesus did not cover every point
of doctrine on everyday (or at least the Disciples did not record him to have).
The lack of mentioning this considering the Jew's central thoughts about God
being so contrary, if the Trinity were a doctrine Jesus meant to reveal, surely
He would have spoken on the subject more!)

Matt:12:28 "But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you."

Once again no real distinction, between God, the Father, or the Spirit! Or are these Jew's and Disciples suppose to understand this is really a distinct person (although only mentioned once before by Matthew's account)
from the Father Jesus has been speaking of? Considering that the Jew's
considered God who is a Spirit to be their Father!

Matt. 12:31 & 32 "Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven unto men. 32And whosoever speaketh a
word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh
against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world,
neither in the world to come."

(Parallel's with MK 3:29, LK 12:10)

In Mathew 12, here Jesus really make no distinction between the "Spirit of God" in verse 28 and the Spirit in verse 31! In fact, in verse 31, "Holy," is added by translators. If you were in the audience
when Jesus said this, would you have known this was to mean the "third
person?" Since once again the Jew's God is a Spirit who's greatest
attribute is his Holiness? Lev. 11:44-45, 19:2, 20:3, 26, 21:8, etc. just a few
of the times the God of the Jew's is called Holy. Notice Jesus does not mention
blasphemy against the Father who he has been speaking of for the past 9 chapters
(Jesus really doesn't speak of the Father prior to Chapter 4)! Is the listener
suppose to know they are different persons? And does this mean the Father cannot
be blasphemed?

Matt. 22:43 "He saith unto them, How then doth David in Spirit call him Lord, saying, 44The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? 45If David then call
him Lord, how is he his son?"

(Parallel's with MK 12:36)

This passage raises many questions. If God is a Trinity of three co-equal, co-eternal persons, why aren’t all three on the throne? Where is the Spirit in relationship to this throne? Does this passage reveal a Trinity? When you
consider the Jew were well aware of this passage from the Psalms and did not
find within it a plurality of deity, how could it be said this was Jesus
revealing the Trinity?

Matt. 28:18-20 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of
the Holy Spirit: 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I
have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of
the world. Amen."

If God were indeed a Trinity, why would one member have all power? Why is "name" singular in verse 19? Did the Disciples understand this to mean a Trinity? If so, why did they not use these "titles" in the Book of
Acts when they baptized? And why is it Jesus that is with them to the end of the
World, instead of the Trinity? So thus one of the seemingly most
conclusive verses Trinitarians have in the entire Bible is surrounded with
questions regarding its "true" meaning. And then the Disciples and
Jew's understanding of it! So if God is a Trinity, Jesus waited until He was
practically in the air, and Matthew's next to last verse to give his best
attempt which actually did little or nothing to reveal Him as such! In the six
verses in Matthew that referenced the "third person" the readers
certainly were not left with a distinct knowledge of a God in "three
persons!" And particularly did not make an obvious distinction to these
Jew's in regards to their historical view of God!

Mark
Mark 3:22 "And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils."

Mark 3:38-39 "Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 29But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Spirit hath never forgiveness, but is
in danger of eternal damnation: 30Because
they said, He hath an unclean spirit."

Here in Mark 3, Jesus once again mentions blasphemy against the Holy Spirit and fails to mention the Father? But in light of the context, Jesus mentions blasphemy against the Holy Spirit because they said He did miracles by
Beelzebub? But wasn't it the Father who did the works? JN 5:17, 19, 30, 36,
8:28, 29, 9:4, 10:25, 32, 37, 14:10, 11, 31, 17:4

Mark also, manages to tell of the feeding of the 5,000+ in Mark 6, and the 4,000+ in chapter 8 without mentioning the Spirit.

Mark's next reference to the Holy Spirit is the same as Matt. 22:43-45.

Mark 12:36 "For David himself said by the Holy Spirit, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool."

If the Trinity is made up of three co-equal, co-eternal members, then why aren’t all three on the throne? And where is the Holy Spirit in relationship to this throne?

Mark 13:11 "But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that
speak, but the Holy Spirit."

Does this sound like a third person, or simply God's Spirit anointing? Thus Mark fails to give a conclusive revelation to the Trinity! These being all the references by Jesus to the Holy Spirit mentioned in Mark!

[Della Morton]

John 1:1 says the Word was with God, but then goes on to say the Word was God. The Word is the thought, plan, or expression in the mind of God. That is how the Word could be with God and at the same time be God Himself. We should also note that the Greek word pros, translated here as "with, is translated as "pertaining to" in Hebrews 2:17 and 5:1. So the Word was with God in the sense of belonging to God and not in the sense of a separate person besides God. Furthermore, if God in John 1:1 means God the Father, then the Word is not a separate person for the verse would then read, "The Word was with the Father and the Word was the Father." To make this imply a plurality of persons in God would necessitate a change in the definition of God in the middle of the verse.

We should also note that I John 1:2 does not indicate that the Son was with God in eternity. Rather, it states that eternal life was with the Father. Of course, Jesus Christ manifested eternal life to us. He is the Word of life in verse one. However, this does not mean that eternal life existed as a separate person from the Father. It simply means the Father possessed eternal life in Himself - it was with Him - from the beginning. He showed that eternal life to us through His appearance in flesh, in Jesus Christ.

[Mrs. Denise Jones]

How could you stop at AND THE WORD WAS GOD....there goes that limitation.

[Della Morton]

A quick look through the Gospels.

Does it not seem logical that while Jesus was on earth he would have had many opportunities to reveal his "counterparts" in the Trinity (that is if God were a Trinity)? As one reads through the Gospels the question should be raised? If God is a Trinity then why are the three members not mentioned
together more often? What are each of their roles? And there are countless
places where they SHOULD be mentioned if God is a Trinity, but they are
NOT!!! If God is a Trinity then…

Matthew
1:18, 20 Why is the Holy Ghost the father? Does Jesus have a surrogate Father?

The Father is NOT the Father!

1:23 "God with us." Is this the Trinity with us? What does "God" mean in a
Trinity? Is it the "three persons?" See John 1:1

3:3 Who is Jehovah? Isa. 40:3 Is it the Trinity? Or the Father?

3:11 Jesus is to baptize believers with the Holy Ghost?

Why can't the Holy Ghost baptize believers with "himself?"

3:16 Who is the "Spirit of God?" Isn't God a Spirit? John 4:24 Is this
the
3rd person? Or all three "persons?

3:17 A voice does not necessitate "another person." At least when we are talking
about God! What is spoken indicates that the Holy Ghost is speaking by

what is said, since the Holy Ghost is the Father, Matt. 1:18,20. Also, see Num.

22:28-30. Luke 19:40. Its not
hard for God to speak or cause a bird to appear!

Also, consider John 5:37,
no man has heard God's voice?

5:16 Why is the Father the only one to receive glory? What about the "others?"

5:45 Are we not children of the Son and Holy Ghost?

5:48 Is the Father "perfect" and not the Son or Holy Ghost?

6:1,4,6,18 Why is the Father the only one to reward?

6:8-13 Why are the Son and Holy Ghost not mentioned in the Lord's prayer?

6:14-15 Why is the Father the only one mentioned to forgive sin?
The Holy Ghost is never said to be able to forgive?

6:24 Can't serve two masters? What about three?

6:32 Why doesn't the Son or Holy Ghost know?

7:12 Why doesn’t the Son or Holy Ghost "give?"

7:21 What about the Son and Holy Ghost "will?"

9:6 What about the Holy Ghost?

10:20 Father speaks? Isn't this the Holy Ghost duty?

10:22 What about the Father's name? Holy Ghost name?

10:32-33 What about the Son? The Holy Ghost?

10:40 What about the Holy Ghost?

11:25-27 What about the Holy Ghost? Doesn't know the Father or Son?

12:18, 28 Which Spirit? Father's? Son's? Or Holy Ghost? There is ONLY One Spirit!

12:31-32 What about blasphemy against the Father?

12:50 Does the Holy Ghost not have a will?

13:43 Why don't the Son and Holy Ghost have a "kingdom?"

16:17 Is it the Holy Ghost duty to reveal, teach, and guide?
The Father is out of his role here!

16:27 Does the Holy Ghost not reward?

17:4 Did Peter know about the Trinity?
Why not build a tabernacle for the Father and Holy Ghost also?

17:5 Who spoke? Matt. 1:18, 20, John 5:37.
Why is the Holy Ghost not mentioned here?

18:10 Does the Son and Holy Ghost have a face also? What kind of monster is God?

18:14 Does the Holy Ghost not have a will?

18:19 What will the Holy Ghost do? Nothing?

18:35 Son and Holy Ghost have no say in our forgiveness?

19:17 One God!!

20:23 Son and Holy Ghost not prepare anything? Were the places not already taken?
What about Co-equal?

23:8-10 What role does the Holy Ghost play? Left out?

23:22 "Him" that sitteth on the throne? Only one?

24:36 Goes thru the list, and omits the Holy Ghost? No man, Angels, but the Father.

25:31 The son will sit on the Throne!

25:34 Son and Holy Ghost do not bless?

26:39, 42, 53 Why did Jesus NOT pray the Holy Ghost? He's the "helper!"

26:64 Where are the Father and Holy Ghost?
28:18 All power in one? Co-equal?

28:19 Single name that can refer to the Father, Son and Holy Ghost! That's JESUS!

Mark

1:2-3…………..Isa. 40:3. Jesus is Jehovah.

1:8…………….Why doesn't the Holy Ghost have any say?

1:10……………Spirit? Is this the Father?

1:11……………Who was the Father? Matt. 1:18, 20

2:7……………..What about the Holy Ghost? Can he forgive sins?

3:11……………Son of God or God the Son?

3:29……………Does this include blasphemy against the Father?

5:7……………..Did the devil know about the Holy Ghost?

8:38……………What about the glory of the Holy Ghost?

9:5……………..Did Peter know about the Trinity?
What about tabernacles to the Father and Holy Ghost?

9:7……………..Who spoke? Holy Ghost? Mtt. 1:18, 20 If not, why is he missing here?

9:37……………Did the Son and Holy Ghost not send him?

10:18…………..One God!

10:40………….Notice to sit on JESUS right hand and left!
I though Jesus was on the right hand!

11:9-10……….What is the name of the Lord?

11:25-26………Holy Ghost doesn't forgive sins?

12:29-31………Jesus believed in One God!

12:32………….One God! None but he!

12:35-37………Where is the Holy Ghost? Does this mean the Son was bumped from the
throne? See OT visions. No sign of the Son on right hand. Acts 7:55-56 is
the only place. See. Rev. 4:2-3

13:11………….Father and Son will not help us? What about Matt. 16:17
Did the Father act out of turn?

13:32………….Mark goes thru the list of possible candidates to know,
but omits the Holy Ghost!

14:36………….Why not pray the Holy Ghost?

14:62………….Where are the Father and Holy Ghost?

16:19………….How can God sit at God's right hand? Co-equal?

Luke

1:15, 41, 67…...Not filled with Father and Son?

1:19…………...Presence of God? Trinity?

1:35…………...Holy Ghost is the father, NOT the Father?

1:76…………...Prophet of the Highest, singular.

2:25-27……….Third person, not the Father and Son?

2:49…………..The Son and Holy Ghost don't have any business?

2:52…………..The Son grew in favor with the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost?

3:4……………Isa. 40:3. Who is Jehovah?

3:16…………..The Holy Ghost has no say? Co-equal

3:22…………..The only Gospel to say "Holy Ghost." Who spoke? Matt. 1:18, 20

3:38…………..Adam was the son of the Trinity?

4:1……………Not full of the Father and Son? Is the Holy Ghost separate from the Spirit?

4:8……………Him only. Them?

4:14…………..Is this the Father? Son? Or Holy Ghost?

4:18…………..Spirit of Jehovah anointed?

4:34…………..How can Jesus be the Holy one of God
If the Holy Ghost is a separate person?

5:21…………..God alone can forgive sins!

5:24…………..Can Holy Ghost forgive?

6:36…………..Are the Son and Holy Ghost not merciful?

7:27…………..Isa. 40:3. Jesus is Jehovah

9:1……………Son gave power! What about Father and Holy Ghost?

9:16…………..Why did Jesus look to heaven? If he was "God the Son?"

9:26…………..Goes through the list once again and omits the Holy Ghost?

9:33…………..Why not tabernacles to the Father and Holy Ghost?

9:35…………..The voice is the Holy Ghost, Matt. 1:18, 20

9:48…………..Who sent Jesus? Did the Holy Ghost have anything to do with it?

10:16…………Who sent Jesus? Did the Holy Ghost have anything to do with it?

10:18…………As Son, the Word, or the one eternal Spirit?

10:21…………Father reveals? That’s the Holy Ghost duties?

10:22…………Doesn't the Holy Ghost know the Father and Son?
Do they not know the Holy Ghost? Or has "he" not "proceeded" yet?

10:27…………This Jew did not understand the Trinity and Jesus did nothing to
correct him! When was the Trinity revealed? NOT in Bible times!

11:2-4………..Is it not critical that Jesus does not reveal the Trinity in the Lord's prayer?

11:13………...Father gives the Holy Ghost? What about the Son?
Co-equal? Chain of command?

12:8-10………What about speaking against the Father?

12:12…………What about the Father and the Son? Holy Ghost doesn't always teach?

12:32…………What about the Son and Holy Ghost?

18:19…………One God!

20:42-44……..Where is the Holy Ghost? Jesus on the right hand until Rev.3:21!

21:15-17……..The Son will give answers? What about the Holy Ghost? Isn't this his role?

22:29…………Father appointed? Co-equal? What about the Holy Ghost?

22:42…………Why not pray to the Holy Ghost?

22:69………….Can God sit on the right hand of God?
Where is the Father and Holy Ghost?

23:34………….What about the Son and Holy Ghost? Can they forgive?

23:46………….What about the Holy Ghost?

24:49………….Why the "promise of the Father?" Not Son? Or Holy Ghost?

John

1:1-2………….What does "God" mean here? Father? Or Trinity? If simply Father, why is
it so important to acknowledge just the "Word" and NOT the Holy Ghost
also? And if God means Trinity then you have two Sons! Why does it not
just say "Son?" That is, IF it would apply!

1:3, 10……….Is the "Word" Jehovah? Got to be one and the same! Isa. 44:24

1:6……………Who sent John? God and the Word? God? The Trinity?

1:14…………..Co-eternal? Begotten of the Father? But Matt. 1;18, 20, says that the Holy
Ghost was the Father? How can they be separate persons? Had to have
been a time before the Son begat!

1:18………….Did the Son declare the Holy Ghost also? Or just the Father?
Or all three persons?

1:23………….The way of Jehovah? Who is Jehovah? Father? All three? Or the Son?

1:32………….Spirit descended. John 4:24, God is a Spirit! No distinction of person?

1:33………….Co-equal? Why doesn't the Holy Ghost baptize with the Holy Ghost?

2:16………….Why the Father's house? Wasn't it equally the Son's?
And the Holy Ghost?

3:13………….Son in two places? Or two Sons?

3:15, 16……...Belief in the Son gives eternal life! Not in the Trinity!
We are NEVER told to believe the Trinity!

3:18………….It is the Son's name that is powerful!

3:34, 35……...Father sent the Son, gives him all things! Holy Ghost did nothing?
Why didn't "God the Son" send the flesh?

3:36………….Everlasting life is in the Son! Not the Trinity!

4:10, 14………Son gives living water ! What about the Father and Holy Ghost?

4:21…………..The Father is the only one worshipped!
What about the Son and Holy Ghost?

4:22………….Jesus confirms the Jew's worship of One God is correct!

4:23…………..Father is the only one seeking worship!
What about the Son and Holy Ghost?

4:24…………..How many Spirits? Eph. 4:4

4:34…………..Sent by the Father, not the Son or Holy Ghost?

4:42…………..One Savior! Isa. 43:11, Jehovah is Savior, Jesus is Jehovah!

5:17…………..Does the Holy Ghost not work?

5:18…………..Equal with God? Isa. 40:25

5:19-22……….Why did the Father do all the works? If Son was co-equal?
What about the Holy Ghost?

5:23…………..In not honoring the Son you have not honored the Father.
What about the Holy Ghost?



5:24…………..To believe the words of Jesus is to believe the Father!
What about the Holy Ghost?

5:25…………..Life is in hearing the Son. No mention of the Father or Holy Ghost?

5:26…………..Does the Holy Ghost not have life?

5:27…………..Has the Holy Ghost not given anything? Rev. 20:11-15
The "One" who judges has one face!

5:30…………..What about the will of the Son and Holy Ghost?
Did they have nothing to do with the sending?

5:36, 37………Why didn't the Son and Holy Ghost send?
Why didn't the Holy Ghost witness?

5:43…………..Why didn't the Son come in his own name? Or the Holy Ghost's?

5:45…………..Why not accuse to the Son or Holy Ghost?

6:27…………..The Father "sealed" the Son but not the Holy Ghost? Co-equal?

6:32…………..Why didn't the Holy Ghost give true bread (the Son)?

6:37, 39………The Father giveth? The Son and Holy Ghost do not?

6:38, 39, 40…..Does the Son not have a will? What about the Holy Ghost?

6:40, 47………Believing on the Son gives everlasting life! What about the Trinity?

6:44…………..Does the Spirit not draw? What about the Son?

6:45…………..Those taught about God were not taught about the Son or Holy Ghost?

6:46…………..Holy Ghost hasn't seen the Father? Has the Son seen the Holy Ghost?

6:57…………..Son and Holy Ghost had nothing to do with the sending of Jesus?

6:62…………..Where was "the Son of man before?" Notice this is not "the Son of God!"

6:65…………..Father draws men to Jesus? Holy Ghost has nothing to do with it?

7:16, 17………Son and Holy Ghost have no doctrine?

7:18…………..Jesus sought glory for the Father, not for the Son or Holy Ghost?

7:28, 29………Sent of the Father, not of Son or Holy Ghost?

7:33…………..Was the Holy Ghost not with the Father?

7:37-39……….Jesus the giver of the Holly Ghost! Co-equal?

8:16…………..Why wasn't the Holy Ghost with him?

8:18…………..Why didn't the Holy Ghost bear witness of Jesus?

8:24…………..Jesus is the I AM!

8:26…………..Jesus spoke the Father's words! Not Son or Holy Ghost's words?

8:27…………. Did Jesus just say that he was the Father? 8:24-27

8:28………….Son the I AM! Jesus did not operate by the power of the "Son of God!"
Spoke Father's words. Father taught? Not the Son or Holy Ghost?

8:29………….Father sent! Not Son or Holy Ghost? Holy Ghost not with him?

8:38………….Did the Son not see the Holy Ghost? Did Father's will!

8:42………….Co-equal? Did Son not come from the Holy Ghost? Sent from Father.

8:49………….Why didn't he honor the Holy Ghost?
Final part on Questions
Letting scriptures interpret themselves,

8:50………….Who is the ONE? If it isn't the Son?

8:54………….Holy Ghost does not honor the Son?

8:55………….Did Father's will. Did he know the Holy Ghost with the Father?

8:58………….Jesus the IAM!

9:4…………...Did Jesus not do any works for the Holy Ghost? Co-equal?
Sent of the Father!

10:7, 9……….Jesus is the door, not the Father or Holy Ghost?

10:15………...Holy Ghost does not know the Father or Son?
Father & Son don't know the Holy Ghost?

10:17………...Holy Ghost does not love! The Bible NEVER say that "he" does!

10:18………...If co-equal, why did the Father give the commandment?
What about the Holy Ghost?

10:25………..What is the Father's name?

10:28………..Jesus giver of eternal life!

10:29………..Co-equal? Father greater than all?
Can they be plucked out of the Holy Ghost hand?

10:30………..Holy Ghost not in one with Father and Son? Not even in unity?

10:32, 37……Works were the Father's! What about the Son or Holy Ghost,
no works for them?

10:33………...Not equal with God? But maketh himself God! Not a third of God?

10:36………...Holy Ghost did not sanctify? Father sent.

10:38………...Was the Holy Ghost not in Jesus? Was Jesus not in the Holy Ghost?

11:25, 26…….What about believing in the Trinity? Or even the Father?

11:41…………Did the Holy Ghost not hear? Why not pray to the Holy Ghost?

11:42…………Sent of the Father. Not Son or Holy Ghost? Holy Ghost not hear?
Jesus prayed for the sake of the people. As a "man," he set the example.
Co-equal? Can God pray to God and still be God?

12:13…………What is the Name of the Lord? Jesus! Acts 9:5

12:26…………Will the Son and Holy Ghost not honor?

12:27…………Why not pray to the Holy Ghost to save him from this hour?

12:28…………What name was glorified? Jesus! Why didn't the Holy Ghost glorify it?

12:44…………Jesus is the Father! Believing on Jesus is really believing on the Father!
The Father sent!

12:45…………See Jesus, see the Father!

12:49…………Why didn't the Holy Ghost send? Speak? Command?

12:50…………Did the Holy Ghost NOT speak to Jesus? Jesus' words were the Father's!
Why not Holy Ghost words also?

13:1…………..Where was the Holy Ghost?

13:3…………..Did the Holy Ghost not give him anything?

13:16…………Co-equal? Sender greater than the one sent! Jesus was sent!
The Holy Ghost was sent! Thus inferior to the Father, in a trinity.

13:19…………Jesus the I AM!

13:20…………Receive Jesus, you've received the Father! What about the Holy Ghost?

14:2…………..Son and Holy Ghost do not have a house?
The Son the only one preparing a place?

14:6…………..Holy Ghost does not give access to the Father?
Jesus the ONLY way, truth, and life!

14:7…………..Know Jesus, know the Father, See Jesus, see the Father!
What about the Holy Ghost?

14:9…………..Know Jesus, know the Father, See Jesus, see the Father!
What about the Holy Ghost?

14:10…………Did the Son or Holy Ghost not have words to speak?

14:11…………Jesus is in the Father and the Father in the Son, why isn't the Holy Ghost?

14:12…………Why didn't Jesus go to the Son and Holy Ghost?

14:13…………Why wouldn't the Holy Ghost receive glory? Or the Son?

14:16…………Why not pray the Son or Holy Ghost? "Another" can mean a different
mode, or method of manifestation, not necessarily a "person!"

14:17…………Who dwelt with them? Who did they see? Jesus! Jesus was with them
and would be in them! Jesus equates himself to also be the Spirit of truth!

14:18…………Jesus would be their Father? Or the Holy Ghost? Both!

14:24…………Word's were the Father's! What about the Son or Holy Ghost?

14:26…………Here we have the three NT modes of God. Father is the eternal
omnipresent Spirit. The Son is the body that revealed the Father,
and the Comforter that would dwell in believers.

14:28…………Father is greater? Co-equal? Jesus coming back as the Holy Ghost?

14:31…………Father gave commandment? Co-equal? What about the will of the
Son and Holy Ghost?

15:1…………..What role does the Holy Ghost perform?

15:8…………...Are the Son and Holy Ghost not glorified?

15:9…………...The Holy Ghost is NEVER said to love!

15:10………….What about the Holy Ghost love? The Holy Ghost commandments?

15:15………….Did Jesus not hear anything from the Holy Ghost?

15:16………….Why not ask the Holy Ghost? Or ask in the Holy Ghost name?

15:21………….Sent by the Father? What about the Son or Holy Ghost?

15:23,24………In hating Jesus, you hate the Father! What about the Holy Ghost?

15:26………….Co-equal? Son will send the Comforter from the Father? Holy Ghost
proceeds from the Father? Isn't Jesus the Spirit of truth? John 14:17

16:3…………...Know Jesus know the Father? What about the Holy Ghost?

16:5……………Sent from the Father. Co-equal? What about the Son and Holy Ghost?

16:7……………Jesus sender of the Comforter. Co-equal?

16:10…………..Why not go to the Holy Ghost? Where is He?

16:13…………..Isn't Jesus the Spirit of truth? John 14:17. Holy Ghost the guide.
Will not speak of self, Co-equal? Who will hear from? Father or Son?

16:14…………..The Holy Ghost will glorify Jesus. What about the Father?
Or Holy Ghost?

16:15…………..Father gave all to the Son. What about the Holy Ghost?

16:16, 17………Where is the Holy Ghost? Is he not with the Father?

16:23…………..Why not ask the Holy Ghost?

16:25…………..What is there to show? And when will he show the Holy Ghost?

16:26…………..The day is coming when Jesus will not be our intercessor!
Where is the Holy Ghost?

16:27…………..Why doesn't the Holy Ghost love?

16:28…………..Where is the Holy Ghost? Is he not with the Father?

16:32…………..Jesus was not alone because the Father was with him.
Where is the Holy Ghost?

17:1……………Where is the Holy Ghost? Does the Holy Ghost not glorify
or receive glory?

17:2…………….Father gave the Son the power, and eternal life.
What about the Holy Ghost?

17:3…………….The Father is the ONLY TRUE God! And (kai) even Jesus Christ! The
Father sent Jesus. Why didn't the Holy Ghost send or the Son send?

17:4……………..Jesus glorified the Father by completing the work the Father had given
him! The Holy Ghost didn't have a part in this work? Or receiving glory?

17:5……………..Holy Ghost has no part in this? Give the Son the glory the Father
planned from the beginning for the Son to have at this point in
the Son's work!

17:6……………..What did the Holy Ghost give? Jesus was the visual, physical,
manifestation of the Father's name! Thus the Father's name is Jesus!

17:7……………..All things given Jesus were from the Father!
What about the Holy Ghost?

17:8……………..Jesus word's were the Father's. Jesus sent from the Father.
The Holy Ghost had no part in this?

17:9……………..The ones given to Jesus out of the world were the Father's!
What about the Holy Ghost, didn't He have any?

17:10……………The ones that were Jesus' were also the Father's!
What about the Holy Ghost?

17:11……………The Holy Ghost is not one with the Father and the Son?
What is the Father's name? Jesus!

17:12…………….Jesus kept the ones the Father gave to him in the Father's name!
Does the Holy Ghost not give or keep?

17:14…………….Jesus words were the Father's! Holy Ghost has nothing to say?

17:15…………….Why not pray the Holy Ghost?

17:17…………….The Father's word is Truth! But Jesus is the Truth! John 14:6
and the only way to the Father!

17:18…………….Father sent the Son. In the same manner the Son sent the disciples
into the world!

17:21, 22, 23…….The Holy Ghost is not one with the Father and Son? Father sent Son,
not Holy Ghost? Was the Holy Ghost not in Jesus?
Did the Holy Ghost not love?

17:24…………….Father gave the Son disciples, glory. Father loved the Son.
Did the Father loved the Holy Ghost? And why didn't the Holy
Ghost love the Son?

17:25…………….Jesus sent by the Father, not Holy Ghost?

17:26…………….Jesus declared the Father's name! Did the Holy Ghost not love the Son?
Jesus was to be in his disciples, what about the Holy Ghost?

18:5, 6……………I AM! Jehovah! Many scholars feel this is the reason the guards fell,
out of reverence to the reference.

18:11……………..The Holy Ghost didn't give cup? Son?

18:37……………..Jesus is truth!

19:30……………..Did 1/3 of God die? Was this the human part of his nature or the Spirit
part? Or both?

20:17……………..Would he not go to the Holy Ghost also? Jesus as a man had a God,
it was the Father! This is another instance where "and" means "even!"
Where was the Holy Ghost?

20:21……………...Jesus sending his disciples just as the Father sent him! Sender greater.

20:22……………...Receive the third person? Sender greater? Co-equal?

20:28……………...The Lord of me, the God of me! What about the Father and the
Holy Ghost? Shouldn't Jesus have rebuked him?

20:31……………...The Bible is not a complete history book. It does not give every little
detail about everything. But it does give enough to know that Jesus is
the Christ, and that by believing you can have life in His name! What
about the Father's name? The Holy Ghost? Does it give enough to
believe in a Trinity? The Bible NEVER instructs us to believe in a
Trinity!

In light of the many questions Jesus raises here, the reader should be left with one answer! Jesus was not the "second person" in a Trinity, but he was the manifestation of the One and Only True God! The One Eternal Spirit who spoke in different ways. In light of the Evidence, when you know Jesus you know the One True God!

[Eccl. 12:13]

There are TWO in the Godhead;

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

There is the Word, which is Jesus Christ, and there is the God that was WITH the word, the one that became known as the Father!

The Holy Spirit is just that, an holy spirit and NOT an evil spirit, of which ALL spirits are angels!

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[Chaplain Pat Harris]

THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD! NOT A CREATED ANGEL.

[Eccl. 12:13]

Isa.63
[9] In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.

So we find an ANGEL saving the nation of Israel. Let's see when this happened;

[10] But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.
[11] Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?
[12] That led them by the right hand of Moses with his glorious arm, dividing the water before them, to make himself an everlasting name?
[13] That led them through the deep, as an horse in the wilderness, that they should not stumble?

So the period of time being spoken of here is when the Angel of the Lord, also called a HOLY SPIRIT, looked over and protected the nation of Israel while they were in the wilderness. Let's continue;

[14] As a beast goeth down into the valley, the Spirit of the LORD caused him to rest: so didst thou lead thy people, to make thyself a glorious name.

So the Holy Spirit we find, in this case, is the one that followed the nation while in the wilderness.

Exod.23
[20] Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.
[21] Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.
[22] But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.
[23] For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off.

So now we see that the Holy Spirit spoken of in Isa. was actually one of God's Holy Angels. Let's read more about God's 'Holy Spirit', or 'Holy Angel', as he is sometimes called;


This is just one of MANY examples where God's Holy Spirit act's and speaks as though he were God.



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[Della Morton]

Eccl. Without understanding the dual nature of Christ you may believe that God is two, three or more. If one does not get a clear revelation of the dual nature of the Lord Jesus Christ then he/she may not see how that God is ONE in number, ONE in person.

To understand Christ's dual nature, first you must STOP trying to prove what you believe!

If a man for the first time heard of God and seen a Bible what would he believe? With no preconceived ideas or religious teaching he must be open minded for truth or he will never receive it. The Bible says that "the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God for they are foolishness unto him".

Christ while on earth had two natures. The first was a human nature and number two a divine nature.

He did many things as a man and he did many things as God. Sometimes the Bible refers to him as human but other times it refers to him as God. What you must do is understand which nature is being referred to. If a nature to you is a person then you will have at least two persons of God. In doing this you also will make yourself two persons! If you have the Holy Ghost then you have a divine nature but at the same time you are reminded daily that you have a human nature.

Here are a fews things Jesus did as a man.

1. He was born
2. He slept in a boat
3. He ate
4. He wept
5. He died
6. He was buried



Here are a few things Christ did as God.

1. He spoke to the storm and it stopped
2. He multiplied the fish
3. He raised Lazarus from the dead
4. He made the blind to see
5. He walked on water
6. He raised himself from the dead

The examples can go on and on but I think you get the point. We also received a "divine nature" the Bible says. So when you "walk" in the Spirit as Paul taught, you are walking in that divine nature. In that divine nature miracles are bound to happen! As Jesus did miracles as a man through his divine nature we also can do miracles through that divine nature dwelling in us. As Jesus was the son of God here on earth, we also are sons and daughters of God in this world, we are the physical body of Christ in this world today.

Notice the terminology the Bible uses about Jesus. There are terms for the human nature and terms for the divine nature.

Terms for the human nature.

* flesh
* lamb
* son
* man


Terms for the divine nature

* Spirit
* God
* Holy Ghost
* Father

The terms "flesh, lamb, son and man" point to Jesus' humanity.

The terms "God, Spirit, Holy Ghost and Father" point to Jesus' deity.

Jesus said in John "the works I do I do not of myself, it is the Father that dwelleth in me , he doeth the works." Understand that your flesh cannot do a miracle. Jesus was saying that even about himself. It was the Father in him doing the miracles. Jesus said "the flesh profiteth nothing, it is the Spirit that quickeneth." The two natures fused into one person. Jesus said in John 3, he that is born of the Spirit is Spirit and he that is born of the flesh is flesh".

We at some point get born again and we immediately have two natures. We are born with the nature of flesh but the new birth gives us that divine nature!

John 4:24 tells us that "God is a Spirit". That Spirit (God) spoke a seed into the womb of Mary and this baby to be born was the son of God. When this baby was born, he was born with two natures. He did not have to be born again. Yes, Jesus was born with a human nature and a God nature. 1 Timothy 3:16 says that "God was manifest in the flesh". Who was manifest in the flesh? Jehovah God was! God was revealed in a human body! The invisible Jehovah God was made known to us as a man and we call him the Son of God! This Son of God was Jehovah God of the Old Testament revealed in human form!

Jesus the man was at the same time Jehovah God! Jesus had two natures, one was divine and the other was human. One nature was temporal and the other was eternal. One nature was Spirit and the other was flesh!

[Eccl. 12:13]

Let me ask you this;

Is it possible to kill a God? Is it possible to kill a spirit?

Do you know why Jesus was made a little lower than the angelss?

Heb.2
[9] But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels...

Remember now, angels are spirit beings just as God is a spirit being.

So why was Jesus made lower than the angels?



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