Nymphas or Nympha? - Black Preaching Network2024-03-29T13:52:56Zhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/forum/topics/nympha-or-nymphas?commentId=916966%3AComment%3A2737600&feed=yes&xn_auth=noRight!tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-11-11:916966:Comment:27395052011-11-11T15:28:56.113ZPastor Rodrick Sweet,ThMhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/RodrickSweet
<p>Right!</p>
<p>Right!</p> Brother Gill is right Dr. Wat…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-11-11:916966:Comment:27396882011-11-11T15:27:48.201ZPastor Rodrick Sweet,ThMhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/RodrickSweet
<p>Brother Gill is right Dr. Watson, as you know I use the Historical-Grammatical-Literal method of interpretation and still I don't have answers to these types of question. But studying in the original languages is fun and hard work at the same time!</p>
<p>Brother Gill is right Dr. Watson, as you know I use the Historical-Grammatical-Literal method of interpretation and still I don't have answers to these types of question. But studying in the original languages is fun and hard work at the same time!</p> Actually, the critical-histor…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-11-11:916966:Comment:27390322011-11-11T11:11:34.137ZJoseph Gillhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/JosephGill
<p>Actually, the critical-historical-cultural-grammatical method doesn't obviate the making of assumptions, as Dr. Dunn demonstrates int the above-mentioned commentary:</p>
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<p>"Moreover, as the householder and the only one named in connection with the church in her home, Nympha was <strong><em>probably</em></strong> the leader of the church there, or <em><strong>at least</strong></em> she acted as host for the gathering or for the fellowship meal (including on at least some occasions…</p>
<p>Actually, the critical-historical-cultural-grammatical method doesn't obviate the making of assumptions, as Dr. Dunn demonstrates int the above-mentioned commentary:</p>
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<p>"Moreover, as the householder and the only one named in connection with the church in her home, Nympha was <strong><em>probably</em></strong> the leader of the church there, or <em><strong>at least</strong></em> she acted as host for the gathering or for the fellowship meal (including on at least some occasions the Lord's Supper). Certainly there is nothing in the New Testament as a whole which would tell against such an inference, <strong><em>though the inference itself is hardly certain</em></strong>..." [op. cit., 285].</p>
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<p>The methodology cannot answer these questions with certainty.</p> I wonder why we have to assum…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-11-10:916966:Comment:27378002011-11-10T17:33:45.625ZJoseph Gillhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/JosephGill
<p>I wonder why we have to assume that a church was lead by the person in whose home it was held? I think it can be assumed that the first house church in Philippi was in Lydia's home, principally because she was a wealthy sponsor.</p>
<p>I wonder why we have to assume that a church was lead by the person in whose home it was held? I think it can be assumed that the first house church in Philippi was in Lydia's home, principally because she was a wealthy sponsor.</p> There is a great journal arti…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-11-10:916966:Comment:27380642011-11-10T16:41:43.850ZPastor Rodrick Sweet,ThMhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/RodrickSweet
<p>There is a great journal article written by Dr. Michael Burer and Dr. Daniel Wallace Was Junia Really an Apostle? A Reexamination of Romans 16:7." <i>JBMW</i> 6, no. 2 (2001)</p>
<p>There is a great journal article written by Dr. Michael Burer and Dr. Daniel Wallace Was Junia Really an Apostle? A Reexamination of Romans 16:7." <i>JBMW</i> 6, no. 2 (2001)</p> ...yet Epiphanius bishop of S…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-11-10:916966:Comment:27379692011-11-10T16:35:40.725ZJoseph Gillhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/JosephGill
<blockquote><p>...yet Epiphanius bishop of Salamis in Cyprus states that the name is that of a man and that he became bishop of Apameia of Syria...</p>
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<p>Incredibly, Epiphanius also argued that "Priscilla" of the bible was actually a man. The bishop was engaged in battles against female-led heresies in the church, and that may have inspired some male-chauvinistic readings of scripture on his part.</p>
<blockquote><p>...yet Epiphanius bishop of Salamis in Cyprus states that the name is that of a man and that he became bishop of Apameia of Syria...</p>
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<p>Incredibly, Epiphanius also argued that "Priscilla" of the bible was actually a man. The bishop was engaged in battles against female-led heresies in the church, and that may have inspired some male-chauvinistic readings of scripture on his part.</p> A major question is what the…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-11-10:916966:Comment:27378752011-11-10T16:19:34.026ZJoseph Gillhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/JosephGill
<p>A major question is what the Greek <em>en</em> (which the KJV translators rendered "among") means here. There are places in the KJV where <em>en</em> was rendered "by" or "with," which would not indicate inclusion in the group; moreover, there are instances in the KJV where we read of Paul being "among the heathen" and "among the Gentiles," and clearly it did not mean he was ONE of THEM.</p>
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<p>Nonetheless, it is clear that at least some early commentators read the Greek as…</p>
<p>A major question is what the Greek <em>en</em> (which the KJV translators rendered "among") means here. There are places in the KJV where <em>en</em> was rendered "by" or "with," which would not indicate inclusion in the group; moreover, there are instances in the KJV where we read of Paul being "among the heathen" and "among the Gentiles," and clearly it did not mean he was ONE of THEM.</p>
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<p>Nonetheless, it is clear that at least some early commentators read the Greek as indicating her apostleship (like John Chrysostrom [337-497], who wrote, "Oh! How great is the devotion of this woman, that she should be even counted worthy of the appellation of apostle! [Homily on the Epistle of St. Paul the Apostle to the Romans XXXI]). The mere possibility the reference could be read this way is what prompted later bible translators to corrupt the manuscript with a masculinized name.</p> Yes sir.tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-11-10:916966:Comment:27374552011-11-10T15:30:05.422ZJoseph Carey Jr.http://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/JosephCareyJr
<p>Yes sir.</p>
<p>Yes sir.</p> See we did that with any figh…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-11-10:916966:Comment:27372502011-11-10T15:10:32.234ZPastor Rodrick Sweet,ThMhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/RodrickSweet
<p>See we did that with any fighting thank you brothers.</p>
<p>See we did that with any fighting thank you brothers.</p> You know, I used to believe t…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-11-10:916966:Comment:27376002011-11-10T15:07:58.974ZJoseph Carey Jr.http://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/JosephCareyJr
<p>You know, I used to believe that the text with Junia's name stated that she was an apostle, until God told me otherwise. I looked at it again..it said "of note among" and I see that as havign a good report among the apsotles, but not being one.</p>
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<p>And yes the greek is clear on that.</p>
<p>You know, I used to believe that the text with Junia's name stated that she was an apostle, until God told me otherwise. I looked at it again..it said "of note among" and I see that as havign a good report among the apsotles, but not being one.</p>
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<p>And yes the greek is clear on that.</p>