Official Apology Request to Anthony and Trevor from Zealot X

I saw a post from Trevor asking where this "apology thread" is so I decided to make one after my earlier post asking for an apology which they may not have seen.

I am requesting this apology, officially, because the Israelites on this forum have been slandered by false witness. Anthony posted videos from youtube and Trevor jumped on the bandwagon of trying to use this image of 1 or 2 ICUPK splinter groups to put a face on ALL Israelites.

It may be hard for many to empathize not being in this situation, but if you have ever been denied a job because an employer had a fear of black criminals or because black people have been characterized as lazy....

If you have ever been followed around a store because someone thought you might steal something because of what you look like....

If you have ever been stopped by the police because you just happened to fit the description....

If you have ever experienced opposition because someone wanted to use criminals or ghetto youth to "put a face on you" then you should understand why I made this thread. And its worse coming from people who should understand how bad this is to do to someone.

If you want to see what I look like, ask me for a picture. I'll show you my whole family. But don't put labels on me when you don't know me. I define myself. You don't define me.

Those who can understand, please understand this so that we do not have to repeat ourselves every single time someone makes an ignorant statement. Israelites are a nationality. We are not a religion. We are not one big group. We do not all have the same beliefs, the same looks, the same hair, the same style of dress, the same mentality, the same perspective, the same car, the same diet, the same job, the same house. The people that we have been compared to are people I don't know and don't care to know. We've never met. We've never ate together. We've never gone to the same school. We read the same book but guess what. We ALL (including you) read that same book.

Special note about racism (which describes the power rangers we were basically depicted as)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_israelites#Allegations_of_black...

In late 2008, the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) described as black supremacist what it called "the extremist fringe of the Hebrew Israelite movement". It wrote that the members of such groups "believe that Jews are devilish impostors and ... openly condemn whites as evil personified, deserving only death or slavery". The SPLC also said that "most Hebrew Israelites are neither explicitly racist nor anti-Semitic and do not advocate violence".[54]

The Black Hebrew groups characterized as black supremacist by the SPLC include the Nation of Yahweh[55] and the Israelite Church of God in Jesus Christ.[54] Also, the Anti-Defamation League has written that the "12 Tribes of Israel" website, maintained by a Black Hebrew group, promotes black supremacy.[56]

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And Trevor... I'm especially surprised at you because you like to think of me as a ninja; an identification I'm not offended by. Shinobi (or ninjas) are known for assassination. How ironic is it that you have become more of a ninja than I will ever be.

African Hebrew Israelites...
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Society_&_Culture/B...


Rastafarians....
No one would use these videos to classify Rastas like Bob Marley.


Zion vs. Babylon
Rastas assert that Zion (i.e., Africa, especially Ethiopia) is a land that Jah promised to them. To achieve this, they reject modern western society, calling it "Babylon", which they see as entirely corrupt.[5][7][11] "Babylon" is considered to have been in rebellion against "Earth's Rightful Ruler" (Jah) ever since the days of the Biblical king Nimrod.

Some Rastas claim themselves to represent the real Children of Israel or children of god, (this may stem from the belief by some scholars that Ethiopia was populated at some stage by one of the "lost" tribes of Israel; modern credence is given to this view with the acknowledgment of the Beta Israel by the Israeli government). Another historical viewpoint which seeks to validate this link between Ethiopia, Israel and the Rastafari belief system can be found under the Lion of Judah and their goal is to repatriate to Africa, or to Zion.[clarification needed] (Rasta reggae is peppered with references to Zion; among the best-known examples are the Bob Marley songs '"Zion Train" and "Iron Lion Zion".)
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rastafarian#Zion_vs._Babylon


Rastafarians have within them the "Bobo Ashanti" (Bobo means black)

They have differences.

Members of the Bobo Ashanti order wear long robes and tightly wrapped turbans around their dreads. They adhere closely to the Jewish Law, including the observance of the Sabbath from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday and hygiene laws for menstruating women. They live separately from Jamaican society and other Rastafarians, growing their own produce and selling straw hats and brooms. They often carry brooms with them to symbolize their cleanliness.
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rastafarian#Bobo_Ashanti

Just because someone is Rastafarian doesn't mean they have the same "face" as the Bobo Ashanti and just because some ignorant negroes in the US believe one thing that we also believe doesn't make us any more a confederacy than anyone else. I am not rastafarian. I am not part of any ISUPK > ICUPK > ICGJC faction, camp, gang, whatever they want to call themselves.

There are plenty of Israelites who are not on the "extremist fringe" according to the Southern Poverty Law Center. They would not even call it a "fringe" if it was indicative of the majority. They are not the majority and they are not the mainstream. They gain members quickly but they bleed them out also quickly. Some of their ex-members may have found their way into the more mainstream groups or circles. Many Israelites do not have enough Israelites around them and are more independent. Some simply choose to be independent. There is no Israelite church that you have to be a part of to maintain Israelite status. It is a nationality. African American is not a nationality because there is no such nation as Africa unless you are Sarah Palin. Africa is a continent.

The bottom line is that to say all israelites are the same and then to debase Isralites on this forum based on an extremist fringe group that IS a cult is EITHER ignorant (As in not knowing better) or dishonest (which in my opinion is the more scary in dealing with ministers). I don't know which one is the case here but we are owed an apology and a statement recanting the lie that there is any connection at all.

Shalom

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I'm not an African Hebrew Israelite. I'm not Rastafarian. I'm not some follower of Ben Ammi or Y//hweh ben Y//hweh and certainly I would die before having any alliegence to Tazadqyah and those charging their members tithes of 20% when a tithe is a "tenth".

There are some who I simply disagree with and others who are just plain unrighteous and using this whole Israelite thing as an excuse and a tool to preach their own hatred and vain imaginings. But that is not mainstream. That is not most of us. That is the extremist fringe who want a name for themselves which is why they took over youtube when the rest of us weren't even using youtube. Most of the Israelite congregations I know of I do not even know any special names for because they do not seek to make a special name for themselves and are generally not actively recruiting or trying to convert.

If you think we are wrong, that's fine. But if we are wrong you shouldn't have to lie about us or bear false witness against us. If you are upset that we don't agree with modern Christianity please remember your own history and Martin Luther who disagreed with the catholic church from which came the protestant movement. There is simply another movement that needs to happen. But suggesting this doesn't make us wrong. And it doesn't mean that anyone should have the right to launch and engage in personal attacks against us as an entire group. If you have a personal problem with someone who is not me then you need to go to that person. I have nothing to do with that. And if you have a personal problem with me let us work it out like mature civilized adults. Don't take it out on someone else. That's not right. It should not be too much to ask someone who claims to follow Yeshua to be honest and fair in their judgment and dealings.

I already forgive you, but the consequences of your actions still cry out for some justice and recompense. So please apologize and learn about us before you go around telling lies and falsehoods about us. If you try to defeat me with a lie then you are also doing damage to yourself and to your own character and reputation. If you would like to assassinate my character I am more than willing to let you try. If you want to blast me, blast me. But before you throw your stones at me I want to be guilty of whatever it is you're saying about me. As long as its true then open fire. If not, then please stick to the discussion and challenging me in debate. Ad Hominem may work but it is still a bad and dirty debate tactic which you should feel shame in resorting to.


May YAH bless you as you curse me and lift you up as you put me down,

Selah
ZealotX,

From the conversations we have had, it was clear to me that you were not like any of the Black Israelite depicted on the video clips.

As a matter of fact, you are different in character from those depicted here on this site, which is why I have a great deal of respect you in spite of the differences in our beliefs, and because you are not easily offended by a little sense of my humorous remarks from time to time. :-)
Zealot,

Explain how you are an 'Israelite' national?
If you are saying that you 'are' from a spiritual angle - OK.
Because I notice you wont say that you are an 'Israeli' national - because (I guess) you are not from Israel.
So please explain how you are what you call yourselves.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but is not the nation of Israel the bloodline of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?

For those who claim to be an Israelite, have you actually traced your DNA to prove your lineage?
Pat is correct. Israelite is one who descends from Jacob through paternal lineage.

The main reason why many believe that we are Israelites, and this includes more than a few white people (hard even for me to believe) is because of the curses in Deuteronomy 28. It would be one thing if we were saying it just because we were enslaved. But it is really the type of slavery depicted that has only happened to us. It is basically a worse slavery than Israelites may have ever faced before but YHWH would put us into slavery for around 400-490 years at a time. At first the things I heard had the sound of strange coincidence and I didn't believe it. But then more information came. And more... and more.... until I couldn't help but believe it.

It is fairly easy to prove the Israelites were black. If anyone doesn't know this by now I can prove that pretty easily. But to say WE are them? That is a much tougher (red) pill to swallow. To get around Deut 28 Europeans jews could simply pretend they were never cursed but then why is the land desolate and not like the canaan of old and why did you need western forces to get you back in the land? What tribe are you all from anyway? Questions like that most people don't ask because we simply assume that the dictionary definition of Jew is what it is and Jewish people have all this information. And how did they lose biblical Hebrew again?

What I learned is that the Israelites were badly worn out by the Romans and the final stand was basically the fall of the temple in 70AD. From there you had Israelites sold into slavery as well as fleeing into Northern Africa. There are some other pieces of history that connect up too but the basic story is that we fled into Egypt. By then a lot of us had converted to Islam. Christians fought Muslims over the holy land and those who didn't want to fight joined the side that was neutral; Judaism. This is when a lot of Europeans converted to Judaism in order to stay out of the fight.

There's some other stuff dealing with white people trying to marry into Israel to take high positions (like king Herod) and things like that. Then you had some black people who are believed to be Israelites who ruled in Spain called the Moors. They were eventually chased out and coincidently that was the same year that Columbus left with slaves.

As far as DNA there are Africans still around who have been tested and it has been confirmed that they have the same genetic markers indicating that they are part of one of the "lost tribes". But as Israelites fled into northern Africa they became known as the falasha or "Stranger". And either because we weren't from there or because slaveships went there actually looking for us, we were sold out by other Africans. (The continent of Africa used to include the middle east until Europeans redrew the map so technically Israelites are Africans as well)

My lineage may be different than many others since my father was Jamaican. But its all sort of based on the slave trade and curses.

An Israeli is someone who lives there now. They can be jewish or sephardic, a mix of things.... but Israelites? No, they're not even calling themselves that.


Shalom
I think its unfair to compare racial discrimination to religion.

You can change your religion, and its a choice. Race is something you were born with, and cannot be changed.
Israelite is not my religion. Therefore it is racial discrimination.
Still kind of waiting for an apology.
Brother Zealot, don't hold your breath for an apology because you will die. These Pagan Christians are here for contention, and diversion. They don't want to deal with the truth, or they would take heed to leaving Pagan practices alone. It is evident that you can not get 3 days and 3 nights from Good Friday Evening to Easter Sunday Morning. Instead of addressing that question. They went for my answer to beat it down. I said that Jesus died on a wed and rose on the Sabbath. They came at that instead of answering if you could get 3 days and 3 nights. That let me know they don't want to learn, so I will just chime in every time they try to talk paganism on this site. It will either be the truth on this network, or there won't be any doctrine as far as I'm concerned. I even pleaded with them to apologize to at least you, and nothing. No answer.

You call yourselves Christians. This love you say you have for your fellow man, I have yet to see it, but we are the evil commandment keepers.

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