But what is your take on what would have happened if the prodigal son or anyone who had received salvation backslides by rejecting the Father, His Son, the Holy Ghost and totally turned away from the faith and DIED without having repented or had the opportunity to return to the fold. Would that person be heading for hell or heaven? This is a conversation that came up with a couple of my work colleague when we were in an after discussion on Luke 15:11-32 so I would be interested in having a discussion and receiving everyone's point of view.
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1/ RECEIVE NOT THE GRACE OF *GOD* IN VAIN.
2 / MANY CALLED BUT FEW ARE CHOSEN.
3 / BECAUSE THEY LOVED THIS PRESENT WORLD.
4 / HOW SHALL YOU ESCAPE IF YOU NEGLECT SO GREAT SALVATION.
5 / - -from washed to again wallowing in the mire.
6 / - - become a castaway.
7 / - -endure to the end shall be saved.
I strive no longer with they that harden thier hearts but SO WARN THAT AFTER BEING OFTEN REPROVED HARDENETH HIS NECK SHALL SUDDENLY BE CUT OF AND THAT WITHOUT REMEDY.!
If a man purge himself from these things he shall be a vessel unto honour.
Mercy on our deceived brother gracious *Father* as I exercise Jn 20;23 AND 1 Jn 5:16 in agreement with Lk 23:24.
I rebuke the ism of Calvinism which has suited this soul to believe.
A virus indeed rejected of the reformers vastly.!
Amen. A Brother of mine is witnessing to a former atheist right now who believes that because he came to repentance he is saved for life and nothing he does can cause him to lose it. So the other day he started hinting at suicide. Sad people dont see what false doctrine does to those who are seeking an occasion for the flesh. Scripture CLEARLY shows that even after coming to the saving knowledge of Christ and being born again one can fall away. If it were not the case we would have to re-define the word "Apostate"
*Jesus* came to preach the good news to the meek and we must follow *HIS* example or find ourselves striving,hypocrites,a trap of the devil.Ps 59:4 (the word `my` a device of satan)
Seek righteousness,seek meekness is the instruction to the godly and we neglect this at our own peril.
2 Chronicles 7:14 - - - humble themsevles and seek - -
The tempo of our adversaries should tell us something and go `do` eisewhere as distraction is a major tool of satan nowadays.
Stay blessed.Many are called but few are chosen as thet wont stand the purging of the fleshly leaven.
They waited not but lusted,therefore *HE* turned to be thier enemy.
GREAT VERSE FOR THE OSAS perverts.
I oughta know as I am near 40 years in the purifying furnace often because of the natural and lukewarm doctrine most swim in around me.
OSAS types dont like this sort of peaching folks.
Few are taught well nowadays as it is all left to a taxed pastor or 2 up front who were never asked to bear such a burden,check out galations 6:6 KJV and that which every joint supplies.Eph 4:16,having pastored 2 churches I see the roadblocks of nowadays church thinking,strongholds in fact.
We end up with hirelings that have big churches as thier Vision and standard content,
PARTIAL IN THIER TEACHINGS,not the whole counsell of *GOD*. AND WILL BE LUKEWARM IN THAT DAY AS THEY NEGLECTED SO GREAT SALVATION ORDER AND ORDINANCES.EAR TICKERS.OF A DEGREE..
LORD,LORD, THEY SHALL SAY IN THAT DAY - - -
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God's says that, He gives grace and mercy to whom He chooses to give it to. He also says that, He gave us a choice to choose between life and death. No one can say for certain what would happen to that prodical son or daughter who totally turns away from God. One can assume that the end result would not be good. God also said that He is married to the backslider. I can assume that God forgives the backslider once that prodical child repents of their sins and turns completely from them. If not then there are consequences that God projects onto the individual(s).
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Angela writes:"But what is your take on what would have happened if the prodigal son or anyone who had received salvation backslides by rejecting the Father,...would that person be heading for Gehinnion
Historical study is a good way to find out the ancient customs and beliefs..everything else is commentary: In the above mentioned story of the Prodigal..we see a series of "Corrections" ...those 'corrections within the young man form the basis of the story.
Teshuva is the common term for Returning to ABBA~Father'/G-d...or in christian terms 'repentance'...however in the Original term..it meant and does mean to return to G-d and to the House of study...commonly called a Yeshiva in Israel, where one can learn Torah and Mitzvot...and above all -seek the meaning of life'... to be One with the Father' (Jn 17:v22).
Seeking Holiness all the days of your life: Parallel to the ten attributes of holiness there exist ten attributes of defilement which one must try to overcome through study and as well, charitable giving from one to another (not an institution).WE learn by Unity in HaShem/ the Creator ,...the King of Kings of Kings" and the belief that the Essence of G-d is within you and I all the same and above all reforming the EGOism of mankind for the good of humanity. That is when you fully enter the "land of the living"
Simply Love at it's finest...When we learn WE are all responsible for one another (Talmud Shavout 39a)
The Jewish comprehension or the Mindset of the Sages is that WE are all one from the ONE'...that is Shema YIsrael ~ [ Deut 6: The L-rd our G-d is One' Elohim-----as opposed to two or three or more.
The life of one who loves G-d /YH"VH / Elohim / Adonai....with all their heart maintains a life of Pious benevolent giving all the days of their life....therefore they are assured of a "Place in the world to come" or in the terms of Rome theology ~' Heaven'
Now in the study of the book of Radiance (Zohar) we see only the Correction of Humanity or your own inherent EGOisms being reformed through the Science and study of the meaning of life'''The goal is not heaven, streets of gold and more divisions of esteemed worth,... but in bettering the World..
The Christian text is filled with the teachings of Kabbalah however unless the trained eye points it out..the children do not understand the text without a 'proper and highly esteemed teacher [EG Dr Laitman foremost teacher of the wisdom of Kabbalah /Israel].
John 14:v1 is an example: " in my Fathers house" is more aptly speaking of the Universe-Multi-verse the dimensions within...them. The Dimensions within you..
The question was asked:"If the core of my being is a "spark of G‑d," then where is the me in me?
ans-It is in your fathers house which is within you' you simply need to Unlock the truth that is within you....for your answers. ..and study does that in a mature group of others...of like heart. Seek them out.
Simply,... Deep calleth unto Deep study will help you understand the principles and then go out and 'repair the world" with them. That is what Yeshua was teaching the Talmidim (disciples) how to reach the Plebians...the common folks,... the Am ha'Eretz with the Truth of the Torah (Matt :5:v17-19).,, a Baal Teshuva movement.(or-a repentance movement)
So Lastly the point of Salvation, is a doctrine run amuck
IMHO..it pits one against another.
One better than another..that is not creation.
Nor is it your Father in heaven who is administering this dogma.EGOism does.
The fact of the ages is that there is One soul created..that one soul is named the Adam Kadmon..(If you will allow~'the original blueprint for all humanity)...at the time of Sinai the story goes there was 600,000 souls who all witnessed the great Marriage,... the Great giving of the Torah ( five books of Moshie) for all humanity.
Simply WE are now far from the Original soul ..divided and Now humanity in general must conquer the EGOism of mankind and bring unity back to the World Kli,... The World Body of G-d if you will allow that expression.
That is our mission to bring the Essence of G-d back down into this material world each and every day in deeds and charity to one another Regardless...of preconceived and generational prejudices.
WE are all one soul from the One-creator and it is way past time to stop the foolishness...anger bitterness and strife.
if you agree,... Give a thumbs up..if not go and study..until the ShekinahLife becomes the vestibule of heavens riches within you.
Then go out and Give it all away freely to a sick and dying humanity. Stop worrying about what you cannot do and Do what you can ..it is time.
Shalom from one to another."J*T"
Shekinahlife thank you for your contribution, I think it is fair for me to do a point of correction, I am now worring over the action o the prodigal son, I have no need to worry because nothing shall separate me from my Father especially not disobedience. This is not a about worrying it is about having a discussion to allow one to reflect on the walk especially in relation to the act we perform.