A good look at Melchizedek will also show that Abram gave a tithe (look @ Lexicon) to him from his heart...not a command. As stated in the previous posts....the TITHE was Abolished. Nevertheless, it's a matter of discussion and maturity as how you see the scriptures. Just as Abraham...we are not under such Law today. There was someone attending the altar in those times of Melchizedek and Moses.....there is no attendance today. We have HIM in our Hearts....Praise The Lord!
May we continue to search the scriptures in it's lanquage and pray one for the other.
Blessings and Peace to ALL!
Do we still bring a lamb to the Priest.???do we bring a dove??? Of course not. Why? Because the Priest fulfilled this requirement. Did not the High Priest Jesus Christ also fulfill the firstfruit offerings??? Didn't He fulfill the Sabbath ordinance??? It seems that religion accepts the fulfillment of Christ in every area except monetarily. I wonder? We've got to think line upon line...precept upon precept...about what the scripture is telling us.
MINISTER A.D BELFOR, GOD BLESS YOU FOR YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND WISDOM, MUCH LOVE FROM THE SAINTS.
WE WOULD NOT BE SUFFERING MUCH IN CHRISTENDOM IF EVERY ONE IS GOT YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND WISDOM.
THOSE WHO PREACH SALVATION AND LOVE ARE THE SAME ONES THAT TRY TO TEAR DOWN THE CONGREGATION. IS NOT THAT THEY DONT HAVE KNOWLEDGE AND WISDOM, BUT THEY REFUSE TO USE IT SO LONG AS ITS TO DO WITH MONEY, THEY WILL OVER LOOK AND QUOTE SCRIPTURES TO SUPPORT THEMSLVES... BROOD OF VIPERS!!
Servant, You have hit it on the head! a lot of believers don't understand Christ meaning of fulfilling the law, In Malachi 3:6 he told us that he changeth not. as far as tithing, tithing is not used to take care of the Pastor anyway! one should consider Matt 23:23, a scripture that often is overlooked. tithes was never done away with. God didnt go back on his word from Malachi to Matthew, COME ON PEOPLE!!!!
The scriptures says
"that a man that preach the gospel should make his living from the Gospel." Now we as preachers are on call. 24/7. It would be nice to work 8 hrs. But God time is not our Time.
The bible says that "A laborer is worth his wages "
I could not agree with you more. The members must be taught in the word that if they give a phropher a drink of water that they will receive a phrophet reward. Good insight. No disagreement. I just want to see how others feel about the topic.Let us reason toghther.And yes some have abuse this for their own personal gain. And it will have to be a trust issue with the Pastor and his congregation
I believe the people of God must be taken care of. I believe that very strongly. Maybe the Lord allowed me to see this discussion this morning because I have been asking him questions. Anyone with answers please email me firstname.lastname@example.org sometimes I am not too sure how to find my way back to these forums.
Over the last three years God sent me to 6 churches to minister on sowing and reaping. Its a call on my life that I do not abuse or take for granted. I am a sower. Once of the 6 times anyone has sowed back in my life as a result. I remember the fourth time, God told me to sow in the ministry I was going to minister in, I carried the seed, God told me the amount in a vision. That was my last.
All these times the miracle blew my mind as these a needy churches yet they got between 1-2.5m
The pastors always bear one testimony. They pastored their congregation for years and never once saw the church gave like that. Once one of the astor sowed back in my life.
Funny enough i was home and worried about my kids going back to school the term as I didnt have the school fees. But the pastor came two days after the miracle in his church and said to me 'God says I should sow back to you. Thats how my kids wre able to go to school.
Point I am making is that conscience doesnt always lead the people of God. How do we live? I am on a 21 day fast which will be ending on Thursday. Can i tell you while on this fast God sent me to a very prominent church back home with roughlty 1200 members. He told me to tell them to sow, I was nervous believe me but I got a hold of the pastor and he allowed me 15 minutes to share with his church.
Now this amaze me until today, I didnt break my fast from saturday until Sunday evening 6pm because I believe that miracles must follow the act of giving. I used 15 minutes to lift their faith, someone gave a house, and together seed and pledges the people gave close to $200m when I heard the figure I almost fainted.
thats the least time I have ever gotten to speak to the people. Guess what? I left trying to beg a ride or catch a cab, I have been praying for a cheap ride for so long. By tuesday my phone was disconnected for a small cost. My mortagae is 3 months in the back, my utility bills also.
I have not heard from the church get, I guess they are still busy rejoicing, unknown to me they have been millions in debt. I have never seen $1m. Paul says being poor yet making many rich. But there has to be systems in place to serve or leaders well rather than depending on the good conscience of people.
If your church is in a position to pay you, let the church do it. We all need to eat. Today I am here I have 100 in my name, that was given to me by a church i ministered at yesterday. Personally I do not work for gain. I just know I need to live, not sure yet how. But believe me I am putting it all before God on the fast.
We have to remember people always assume all is well with the pastor. Back home the memebers seem like my children so many women with kids and no father who call me, there is absolutely nothing home to give my children. I have given a number of them scholarships to lift them up so they will be in a better position to get jobs, but until then who help their hungry children?
These are issues I am faced with. Who cares for us when we care for all. Because you caring they think you are fine. Currenly our tithes is so small it doesnt get passed the church doors on Sundays. helping with lunch monies and busfares and dinners.
maybe myself and husband acting contrary to wisdom, We not sure, but pray for us. Who do we call when our kids are hungry. Ther school fees due soon, who do we call? We do not have a salary yet we slave ourselves for the ministry. We live so far from our church but we get there to clean up every sunday morning before the brethren who live next door. Anyways this is more than a mouthful, so see you all later.
PRaise The Lord Bro!
I agree...the workman is worthy of His HIRE. My comment was more about the issue of the TITHE. As you said...Sad to say...it has been abused but nevertheless...the truth is the truth.