"So who is your covering?" - Black Preaching Network2024-03-28T09:02:41Zhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/forum/topics/so-who-is-your-covering?feed=yes&xn_auth=noThat is not the spirit in whi…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-03-15:916966:Comment:19683652011-03-15T22:55:18.906ZRev. Dr. Edina Melita Baynehttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/RevDrEdinaMelitaBayne
<p>That is not the spirit in which I receive Br. Gill's comments, nor that mine were intended. We must look at the finitude of man, and accept the reality that there is no end of leadership in the natural. That being said, if we focus on the vertical accountability, eventually someone or some organization would not be accounting to anyone. Leadership takes place within an organizational context, and within that context then, the relational accountability is what is operational on a day-to-day…</p>
<p>That is not the spirit in which I receive Br. Gill's comments, nor that mine were intended. We must look at the finitude of man, and accept the reality that there is no end of leadership in the natural. That being said, if we focus on the vertical accountability, eventually someone or some organization would not be accounting to anyone. Leadership takes place within an organizational context, and within that context then, the relational accountability is what is operational on a day-to-day basis.</p>
<p>Men and women who forget this principle are the ones susceptible to fall more readily. Remember that you are better covered by the one 'who's got your back', than by the one who can hit you over the head. By the time the head honcho is aware of our issues, struggles and wrong doings, it is usually very late. The ones who walk daily with us are more likely to see us about to stumble and fall.</p>
<p>We watch for our brothers and sisters.</p> So basically, people should d…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-03-15:916966:Comment:19658652011-03-15T01:20:49.076ZLester Demings Jrhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/lesterdemingsjr
<strong>So basically, people should do as they please with no direction or respect of leadership unless YOU are their leader?!</strong>
<strong>So basically, people should do as they please with no direction or respect of leadership unless YOU are their leader?!</strong> iam bless to join your group…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-03-11:916966:Comment:19580862011-03-11T00:24:48.334Zevangelist pastor susie houstonhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/evangelistpastorsusiehouston
iam bless to join your group thank you evangelist pastor susie houston
iam bless to join your group thank you evangelist pastor susie houston Thanks for this perspective.…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-03-06:916966:Comment:19485772011-03-06T10:46:55.621ZJoseph Gillhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/JosephGill
Thanks for this perspective. It reminds me that "accountability" really is a relational concept. Mutual (or as you describe it, "bi-directional") accountability is an integral part of all but the most superficial relationships. So, if a body of believers are in koinonia fellowship, they are accountable to one another as brothers- and sisters-in-Christ.
Thanks for this perspective. It reminds me that "accountability" really is a relational concept. Mutual (or as you describe it, "bi-directional") accountability is an integral part of all but the most superficial relationships. So, if a body of believers are in koinonia fellowship, they are accountable to one another as brothers- and sisters-in-Christ. This is a brief initial respo…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-03-05:916966:Comment:19468082011-03-05T07:30:07.942ZRev. Dr. Edina Melita Baynehttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/RevDrEdinaMelitaBayne
<p>This is a brief initial response to this"coverning-accountability" issue. I offer the following thought that might be a more compelling perspective from which to approach the matter: So far the model of accountability presented is linear, thus we run into the difficulty of naming the elephant. Perhaps a circular model with each individual, including our leader/authority figures, accountable to those to the right and left might be best suited?</p>
<p>Heb. 13:17 certainly supports the notion…</p>
<p>This is a brief initial response to this"coverning-accountability" issue. I offer the following thought that might be a more compelling perspective from which to approach the matter: So far the model of accountability presented is linear, thus we run into the difficulty of naming the elephant. Perhaps a circular model with each individual, including our leader/authority figures, accountable to those to the right and left might be best suited?</p>
<p>Heb. 13:17 certainly supports the notion of "upward" accountability. We are also encouraged to submit one to another; confess our faults one to another; prefer others over ourself - all of which supports the bi-directional nature of accountability. So, I don't believe that the concept of accountability/covering is the issue per se, but rather the complete separation of the leaders and laity regarding accountability. The laity is accountable to the leader as a child recognizes the authority of a parent, and is also accountable to the sinner for the life they (the laity) live before them. Likewise the leader is accountable to laity, to live an exemplary life.</p>
<p>The institutional relationship is the one that is most problematic. I believe that it is intended to serve more of a coordinating and facilitating role, leaving the accountability between individuals. </p> tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-03-03:916966:Comment:19430692011-03-03T06:25:00.482ZCameron Rosshttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/CameronRoss
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<p><em>The Bible never consigns accountability to human beings! It consigns it exclusively to God (Matt. 12:36; 18:23; Luke 16:2; Rom. 3:19; 14:12; 1 Cor. 4:5; Heb. 4:13; 13:17; 1 Pet. 4:5). Consequently, the Biblically sound answer to the "to-whom-are-you-accountable?" question is simply: "I am accountable to the same person you are-God!" Strangely, however, this answer is usually a prescription for misunderstanding and a recipe for false accusation.</em></p>
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<p>There are…</p>
<p><em>The Bible never consigns accountability to human beings! It consigns it exclusively to God (Matt. 12:36; 18:23; Luke 16:2; Rom. 3:19; 14:12; 1 Cor. 4:5; Heb. 4:13; 13:17; 1 Pet. 4:5). Consequently, the Biblically sound answer to the "to-whom-are-you-accountable?" question is simply: "I am accountable to the same person you are-God!" Strangely, however, this answer is usually a prescription for misunderstanding and a recipe for false accusation.</em></p>
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<p>There are scriptures that point to the mutual accountability of Christians just as some of the above-mentioned scriptures assert
personal accountability to God. Consider the following verses:</p>
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Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled <em>the</em> law. For this, "Y<span class="nasb_smallcaps">OU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY,</span> Y<span class="nasb_smallcaps">OU</span> <span class="nasb_smallcaps">SHALL NOT MURDER</span>, Y<span class="nasb_smallcaps">OU SHALL NOT STEAL,</span> Y<span class="nasb_smallcaps">OU SHALL NOT</span> <span class="nasb_smallcaps">COVET</span>," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "Y<span class="nasb_smallcaps">OU SHALL LOVE YOUR</span> <span class="nasb_smallcaps">NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF</span>." Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of <em>the</em> law. [Rom. 13:8-10]<br/>
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<p>I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people; I <em>did</em> not at all <em>mean</em> with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world. But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one. [1 Cor. 5:9-11]</p>
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<p>But take care that this liberty of yours does not somehow become a stumbling block to the weak. For if someone sees you, who have knowledge, dining in an idol's temple, will not his conscience, if he is weak, be strengthened to eat things sacrificed to idols? For through your knowledge he who is weak is ruined, the brother for whose sake Christ died. And so, by sinning against the brethren and wounding their conscience when it is weak, you sin against Christ. [1 Cor. 8:9-12]</p>
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<p>Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful; and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds, not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging <em>one another;</em> and all the more as you see the day drawing near. [Heb. 10:23-25]</p>
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<p>Obey your leaders and submit <em>to them,</em> for they keep watch over your souls as those who will give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with grief, for this would be unprofitable for you. [Heb. 13:17]</p>
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<p>Both kinds of accountability are scriptural.</p>
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