The Gift of Prophecy is NOT foretelling the future. - Black Preaching Network2024-03-28T17:54:55Zhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/forum/topics/the-gift-of-prophecy-is-not-foretelling-the-future?commentId=916966%3AComment%3A2765172&feed=yes&xn_auth=noRight, the others were only m…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-11-30:916966:Comment:27733402011-11-30T17:45:59.958ZJoseph Carey Jr.http://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/JosephCareyJr
<p>Right, the others were only mentioned as gifts to the church.</p>
<p>Right, the others were only mentioned as gifts to the church.</p> Right, and there is no biblic…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-11-29:916966:Comment:27717002011-11-29T23:46:07.420ZJoseph Gillhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/JosephGill
<p>Right, and there is no biblical office of an "evangelist" either, but evangelists are gifts to the church, as are prophets, according to the apostle Paul. You know, Brother Watson, that there are many church organizations that speak of the "office" of an evangelist... do you challenge them with "gross error," too? Or do you save the severe language only for the misidentified gifts that you believe are no longer operational in the church (apostles and prophets)?</p>
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<p>Right, and there is no biblical office of an "evangelist" either, but evangelists are gifts to the church, as are prophets, according to the apostle Paul. You know, Brother Watson, that there are many church organizations that speak of the "office" of an evangelist... do you challenge them with "gross error," too? Or do you save the severe language only for the misidentified gifts that you believe are no longer operational in the church (apostles and prophets)?</p>
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<p>As I've written before, I agree that there are only two New Testament offices in the church. But modern churches have engaged in all sorts of unbiblical hierachization and creation of titles. It seems overly selective to complain about these so-called "offices" of apostle and prophet, and not to criticize the others. </p> I agree with you here, I post…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-11-29:916966:Comment:27712832011-11-29T21:46:55.349ZMaurice Edwardshttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/PastorMauriceDEdwards
<p>I agree with you here, I posted the same fact on another post. As far as the "prophet", I guess it's not an actual office, but Jesus did place them in the church second after the apostles.</p>
<p>I agree with you here, I posted the same fact on another post. As far as the "prophet", I guess it's not an actual office, but Jesus did place them in the church second after the apostles.</p> Actually, the Lord was very s…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-11-29:916966:Comment:27696452011-11-29T14:09:12.027ZJoseph Gillhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/JosephGill
<p>Actually, the Lord was very specific about what the responsibilities of a prophet are. He told Moses:</p>
<p><strong>I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have…</strong></p>
<p>Actually, the Lord was very specific about what the responsibilities of a prophet are. He told Moses:</p>
<p><strong>I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. [Deut. 18:18-20]</strong></p>
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<p>Moreover, He then explained why prophets will often predict verifiable future events. God uses this miraculous ability to establish them as being trustworthy mouthpieces for Him:</p>
<p><strong>And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him. [Deut. 18:21,22]</strong></p>
<p> </p> I think we must first look at…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-11-26:916966:Comment:27653392011-11-26T23:03:34.295ZMaurice Edwardshttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/PastorMauriceDEdwards
<p>I think we must first look at the origin of the definition and work of a prophet. In Genesis 20:7 we see God calling Abraham a prophet. (First man called a prophet) God tells Abimelek Abraham will pray for him. We don't see Abraham speaking into the past or future as a prophet in scripture do we? Then in Exodus 7:1 we see God calling Aaron to be Moses' prophet. And he tells him he will speak "all" that he commands him to speak unto Pharoah. In Exodus 18:20 Moses is told he will teach the…</p>
<p>I think we must first look at the origin of the definition and work of a prophet. In Genesis 20:7 we see God calling Abraham a prophet. (First man called a prophet) God tells Abimelek Abraham will pray for him. We don't see Abraham speaking into the past or future as a prophet in scripture do we? Then in Exodus 7:1 we see God calling Aaron to be Moses' prophet. And he tells him he will speak "all" that he commands him to speak unto Pharoah. In Exodus 18:20 Moses is told he will teach the people ordinances and laws so that they may know the way they must walk and the work they must do. So the definition and work of a prophet is this... "A person regarded as an inspired teacher or proclaimer of the will of God". Only a few people were regarded as prophets in OT but Joel prophesied that God's spirit would cause many sons and daughters to prophesy. So in the book of Acts you see people being filled with the Holy Spirit and they prophesied. (Acts 19:6) So prophecy we see isn't all about prediction or even speaking secrets as some have been taught. Its about speaking "all" that God commands to be spoken. In the OT only certain (Few) people were chosen to be prophets. In the NT many prophesied (Proclaimed) the wonderful works of God as a promise and gift. So in 1 Corinthians 12 we see prophecy as being a gift that the spirit gives to whom he will according to his will. But then in verse 28 we see that some are appointed as "prophets" in the body. So to say that prophecy is all about fortelling the future is wrong. And saying prophecy isn't about fortelling the future at all is wrong. (The book Revelation is all about foretelling the future) I'm not sure the gift of prophecy and being appointed as a prophet in the body is the same thing according to 1 Corinthians 12:28. Peace.</p> The gift of prophecy is the o…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-11-26:916966:Comment:27651722011-11-26T16:04:47.096ZJoseph Carey Jr.http://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/JosephCareyJr
<p>The gift of prophecy is the office of a prophet, because the prophet is a gift (as 1 Corinthians 12 & Ephesians 4 states). People separate the two but they are one in the same. Now, I do believe the Spirit of Prophecy is different than the Gift, because the Spirit of Prophecy fell on the 70 elders that worked under Moses, who was a prophet. The spirit of prophecy fell on Saul when he was among the prophets and he began to prophesy. The spirit of prophecy is what can fall on anyone and at…</p>
<p>The gift of prophecy is the office of a prophet, because the prophet is a gift (as 1 Corinthians 12 & Ephesians 4 states). People separate the two but they are one in the same. Now, I do believe the Spirit of Prophecy is different than the Gift, because the Spirit of Prophecy fell on the 70 elders that worked under Moses, who was a prophet. The spirit of prophecy fell on Saul when he was among the prophets and he began to prophesy. The spirit of prophecy is what can fall on anyone and at that moment they must release the word of the Lord that has been given. The gift of prophecy is when someone operates so and God allows them to see, feel, hear certain level of things, but may not always be time to release at the present moment when the word was received.</p> I don't think there is a bibl…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-11-26:916966:Comment:27648252011-11-26T10:45:01.057ZJoseph Gillhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/JosephGill
<p>I don't think there is a biblical basis for making a distinction between the gift of prophecy and the so-called office of a prophet.</p>
<p>I don't think there is a biblical basis for making a distinction between the gift of prophecy and the so-called office of a prophet.</p> 1The Revelation of Jesus Chri…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-11-21:916966:Comment:27594992011-11-21T23:02:30.063ZMaurice Edwardshttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/PastorMauriceDEdwards
<p><sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-30699">1</sup>The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:</p>
<p> <sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-30700">2</sup>Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.</p>
<p> <sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-30701">3</sup>Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear…</p>
<p><sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-30699">1</sup>The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:</p>
<p> <sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-30700">2</sup>Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.</p>
<p> <sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-30701">3</sup>Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.</p>
<p>What do you think about this revelation and prophecy in the New Testament?</p>