This is a repost of something I added to another thread. I think it deserves its own thread and discussion. By now we should all know how to read English. We should also know that in language there are literal things and figurative things. Words are not used in the bible accidentally. Sometimes people gloss over the words being used because they believe they already know what it says. But I caution you. Do not be so arrogant that you think you already know what the bible says before you read it. Otherwise, you'll read INTO it what you think, believe, and have been told it says.

I had to read many things 3 or 4 times because I was taught to read them a certain way and TOLD what it said before I was able to make up my own mind. In other words, although I read while I was in Christianity the interpretations were already made and the church had already done the thinking for me. When I gained a spiritual connection with YHWH and he began revealing the matrix to me he brought me a different understanding of things I never really thought about myself because of the influence of the church. That's when I realized that I had been programmed.

The way you read under programming is different than how you would normally read. It's almost hypnotic the way people echo back what their church says and have absolutely NO insight of their own. I have met very few Christians that have had additional insight that wasn't a part of their church's canon. So it seems the spirit in these churches is mainly just one that leads people to believe other people. But read for yourself. Understand for yourself. Seek knowledge for yourself. Stop being limited by your church just because you're afraid of losing it.

Many people read John 1 the exact same way that they are taught with little or no deviation; all very well behaved robots. To make John 1 work (for their belief system) they read it BACKWARDS and that is why their understanding is BACKWARDS. Because you know that the word MADE FLESH in verse 14 is the messiah you then assume that the word in the verses leading up to it is also the same person.

(and here we pick up from where the post started. If you disagree or have questions feel free to respond. I promise you will be treated very well.)

Yes..... but again..... you are assuming that the LOGOS is a person. The only reason why you make this assumption is because you read the text backward. I'm trying to help you. Let's look at some examples from the NT so you can see how the "word of G-d" is described as "coming". Hopefully, since I believe you are very intelligent, you should see that they are employing some figurative language. When you are talking about literal things it is most simple to use literal language. But when you are talking about spiritual things then you use figurative language so that people can understand. With that said please follow along.

Mark 7:13 - Making the word of G-d of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Luke 3:2 - Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of G-d came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness.

Pause. How was John born? The word of G-d came to John. John was born to a previously barren mother. And for some reason John says this:

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of G-d, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of G-d.

plural. John is clearly speaking of multiple persons. Could he not have been speaking of himself, showing that he is a credible witness because he received the "word of G-d"? I just showed you were it said that the word of G-d came to him. When did it come to him? It says in the wilderness. How old was he when he was in the wilderness? How old was Yeshua at that time?

John 10:35 - If he called them gods[judges], unto whom the word of G-d came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

Yeshua is saying that the word of G-d also came to HIM! So how then is he the "Word"? You have been bamboozled. Yeshua defended himself against the charge of making himself a judge by saying that he had every right to be a judge because the word of G-d had come to him. If that is true then he is NOT the "Word". Of course he doesn't have to be in order for John 1 to make sense.

The word was the word. It was not a person. It was not alive. It was NOT FLESH.

Luke 8:21 - And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of G-d, and do it.

They weren't confused about what the word of G-d was.

1 Thessalonians 2:13 - For this cause also thank we G-d without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of G-d which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of G-d, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

When John said that the word became flesh he was talking about the word of G-d taking the FORM of a living person. This is FIGURATIVE not metaphysical. Just like in Ephesians 6 the word is not literally a sword. It's figurative. It's a metaphor. The Torah, written on stone, in the new covenant was supposed to be written on the heart. Is that literal too? Did that not happen? I say it happened because people heard the "WORD OF G-D" and accepted it and believed. And this is how they became the sons of G-d and righteous. It ties in perfectly to the prophets and to 1 John 3. How can you not understand? Yeshua was the MEANS of how YHWH got his word into people's hearts. He didn't send his word on stone tablets, nor through the prophets. Hebrews 1 tells us that in sundry times he gave his word through them but in these times he gave it by Yeshua. By making the word a living breathing thing he could show and demonstrate a perfect example that people could FOLLOW. And from hearing the WORD you can apply it in your life so that it is LIVING in YOU. Do you see the connection?

Jeremiah 31:33 - But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith YHWH, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their G-d, and they shall be my people.

This is what is happening in the NT with the holy spirit. If this isn't what's happening then this prophecy has not been fulfilled and there is no new covenant; just something cooked up for gentiles to have their own religion. But I say.... this prophecy HAS been fulfilled and that the word of G-d became a seed that was planted in the hearts of men.

Luke 8:11 - Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of G-d.

Yeshua is the "WORD MADE FLESH". He is not the "Word" itself. This is what you fail to comprehend.

Open your heart to hear the word of G-d and pray for understanding. This isn't hard to understand but if you defy the word of G-d with your own belief you will be blind to the truth of his word.


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This is a pretty good thread, and I wondered why nobody posted it. I brought it back up to see if we can get some discussion going on this thread. It has good info.


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