What does prosperity mean to the Body of Christ.  Does it has any place in teaching, is it

for the body, should it be taught or should it be ignored.  What is biblical prosperity?

What does the bible has to say about this topic?

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So, then, do you evangelize? Do you preach? If so, why? Your doctrine does not support the need to do either...
Praise God my brother Derrick,
This is Paul from KingdomTime Ministries. This brother Preacher has hit me up on my videos with his doctrine. What I don't understand is why do you allow this brother to steal your time. There are MANY that can use your help than allowing these foolish and unlearned questions to continue. You guys are way off base from the original question anyway. Enjoy your life because as I read this dialog it can never bring others to clarity. It makes me think this is why so many stay away when they see this type of confusion. You are bigger than this. Take your grace to those who want to hear you. It is better to be celebrated than tolerated. You are spot on with your teaching. This looks to be a battle of egos though. Enough said from my end, I hope you take heed to the ministry you have received of the Lord to fulfill it:-)

Pastor Paul,

Thank you for your kind words and, most of all, your wisdom. I think I am going to leave BPN because I have found it to be a wasteland of bad teaching. However, I have found many new friends, yourself among them.

You are quite right, this has become a circular discussion with no meaningful end in sight. While this may have become a clash of egos for some, this is not my testimony! God has pressed on my heart to preach liberty to the captives -- of both sin and religion. That is my assignment and I purse it with singularity.

I am taking heed to your wisdom and will be sending out an email to all my friends on BPN. I thank God for using you to steer me away from those who will not receive sound counsel.

Your Brother in Christ,
Pastor Day
don't be angry,just go study Gods word...humility would allow BOTH OF you to see you are not rightly dividing God's word..IF I'm in error please show be by scripture, not by your own words..so far neither one of you have been able to do that..
Greetings Preacher,

No offense sir. But you are suggesting is not Bible.

In Christ
Pastor R. Phillips

If God wanted us to willingly choose him, why would he say we don't choose him he chooses us?

we can't choose God its impossible,he has to choose us..



I see you have been busy over the past 24 hrs.  Happy Mothers day to you and yours. And be blessed today. 


What do you say to the guy that hear the voice of God, God calling him out but he will not go???


In Christ

After he chooses us we must obey.He didnt create a soul he didnt want but what nature we choose to take on and allow to reign in our members show who we love.
What does that have to do with this topic? I am not following you!
i Agree with you...do you have another point?
Pastor Day

You’re right but here you proved my very own point! How?

Let’s dig deeper into the word: μένω
I like your use of Strong’s but I don’t use Strong’s. It is just the basics.
Your Strong’s μένω:
is right A primary verb; to stay (in a given place, state, relation or expectancy): - abide, continue, dwell, endure, be present, remain, stand, tarry (for), X thine own.

I'm sure that you know that the word appears 118 times in the NT and in Johannine literature (the Gospel 40 1 John 24, 2 John 3) as well as in Lukan literature (20 including 13 in Acts and so on.

The basic meaning of the word is an intrans verb. But when you mention John 15:7 the KJV uses the word abide why? For the answer we must turn to the context. In this context Jesus is talking about “not staying in one place (such as a house John 1:38) but remaining stable in Him. So you context does not fit the verse in question. (John 1:38) So we are left to ask what does μένω mean in this passage it means a place of dwelling (does not mean his own house) It is just a dwelling it could be someone else house.

Pastor Sweet I don’t see it? Look in the KJV:
Jn 1:38-39 Jesus turned around and saw them following him. He asked them, "What are you looking for?" They said to him, "Rabbi" (which means "teacher"), "where are you staying?" 39 Jesus told them, "Come, and you will see." So they went to see where he was staying and spent the rest of that day with him. It was about ten o'clock in the morning.

Look at the NIV:
Jn 1:38-39 Turning around, Jesus saw them following and asked, "What do you want?"
They said, "Rabbi" (which means Teacher), "where are you staying?" 39 "Come," he replied, "and you will see."
No matter if you read the Greek, I can, or you read the translation they all say that a question was asked “where are you staying” and an answer given Come and you will see then the result of the answer they spent time there. Nowhere in the text can you say that it was his house. It was a dwelling (a house yes) but not his home.
Pastor Sweet,

It is refreshing to find a man of God who has done his homework. Since you (fair enough) suggested that my eisegesis is that of "prosperity teachers," might I (humorously) suggest yours rings of the typical cemetery, I mean seminary graduate!

That said, I am at a loss to understand how I "proved your point."

I am happy you are able to read and understand Greek -- I hope to embark upon and complete similar training. However, I am not reliant upon what professional theologians think; rather, I am free to simply use scripture to interpret scripture. My education is of the Holy Spirit and, therefore, I do not view scripture through the lens of "higher education."

I realize I am but a spiritual neophyte in your sight, therefore, please forgive my implied simplicity for using Strong's; I only use it to illustrate word meaning and nothing else.

You criticize my eisegesis yet you misquote John 1:39 (KJV), saying "Come, and you will see," when the text clearly says "Come and see." I think that traditional thinking tends to shape scripture to fit their doctrine. That may or may not be the case here; I will rely on you for clarification on this.

You imply that there is nothing to suggest that the dwelling place belonged to Jesus. I suggest, likewise, there is nothing to suggest it did not.

I really appreciate the intellectual depth of your argument. However, I submit that the doctrine of the impoverished Jesus is one that keeps the Body of Christ in bondage, trading the abundant life Jesus promised for the "pie-in-the-sky" in the "sweet-by-and-by" theology espoused by the "traditional" church.


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