I keep hearing ministers express the irrelevance of the Old Covenant (Old Testament/Law) as if we can toss everything prior to Matthew's gospel from the Canon of Scripture. Ironically, even though we know the New Testament is inspired and serves as Scripture illuminating the New Covenant, there is no clear reference by many of the New Testament authors confirming that they intended their writings to be such. Contrast that with numerous instances where these same authors reference the OT; refering to it as Scripture.

How do we in good conscience condemn everything OT? Tithing pre-dates the Law, but we say it's no longer relevant because it's in the OT. What about the 10 Commandments that is the cornerstone of the OT Law? Do we toss that also? Why also do many 'New Testament' churches decommission significant NT rites such as water baptism and communion? And, in light of our loose nature concerning Christian observances, why do we complain when people opt to conserve finances by 'churching at home' via television or the web?

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The Word Network, TBN, or GODTV?
Thats a better choice than any!

I'm sure that you would agree that God's purpose in giving the law was that the law of Moses should govern Israel until the Messiah should come. It was "prophesied until John" (Matt. 11:11-13; Luke 16:16-17). It stopped every mouth and made the whole world guilty before God so that God could have mercy upon all alike: "Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them that are under the law: THAT EVERY MOUTH MAY BE STOPPED, AND ALL THE WORLD BECOME GUILTY BEFORE GOD" (Romans 3:19-20). It brought to men the knowledge of sin (Romans 3:19-20; 4:15; 5:13;, 20; 7:5, 7-14). "It was added because of transgressions, TILL the seed should come...The law was our schoolmaster (past tense) to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith" (Galatians 3:12-13, 19-24). The law brought bondage: "These are the two covenants; the one from Mount Sinai which gendereth to bondage" (Galatians 4:24-31; 5:1). The law was a "shadow of good things to come until the time of the reformation" (Colossians 2:14-17; Hebrews 8:5; 9:1-10, 24; 10:1).

The Torah is a duality. You have the blessing, and the curse(Deut 30). It would be crazy to believe that the Torah only lasted til Messiah. The interesting thing is that Yeshua still kept and taught the Torah. Luke 11:28 says that blessed are they that hear the word of HaShem and observe it! John 15 shows Yeshua saying that He kept His father's commandments. We also see in the book of Acts that they continued to keep the feast days, and the temple duties. So, that phrase about the Torah being until John has a different meaning.

Please read carefully---------> According to the above purposes of God in giving the law it was only natural that it should be done away with when it was fulfilled in Christ and after it had served its purpose. That there is a change in the law of God to humanity after Christ came and that He fulfilled the law when He came is not only stated in the quotations above, but such is specifically stated in the following Scriptures:

Interestingly enough, James said in Acts 15:21 that Moses has teachers in every city. What he means here is that there will be people readily available to teach Gentiles the Torah every Sabbath. Also, your beloved Paul was the one that said that keeping the commandments is what counts(1 Corin 7:19).

"I am come to fulfill the law...one jot or tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled" (Matt. 5:17-18), "The law prophesied until John" (Luke 16:16), "All things must be fulfilled, which was spoken in the law of Moses" (Luke 24:44), "For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law" (Hebrew 7:12), "The first covenant...was a figure for the time then present...imposed on them UNTIL the time of the reformation" (Hebrews 9:1, 9, 10), "Cast out the bondwoman and her son" (which is an allegory teaching that the law was to be done away, Gal. 4:24-31), "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believeth"</</u>b> (keeping no one is made righteous by it: SEE: Rom. 3:19-31; 8:3; 10:4; Gal. 2:16-21; 5:4; Eph. 2:15; Colossians 2:14-17; Acts 13:39; 15:5-29), >"he taketh away the first, that he may establish the second" (Hebrews 10:1-9).

The Greek word for change in referring to the priesthood can also mean "transfer." There was no change in the priesthood, rather, this priesthood was transferred to someone that's not of the line of Aaron.

Trevor, the word "fulfill" means completed, brought to an end, expired, and finished in the same sense that many prophesies were fulfilled in Christ and because they are fulfilled, they are no longer in force. They have served their purpose. For further reference, see the use and meaning of "fulfill" in Matt. 1:22; 2:15, 17, 23. 4:14; 8:17; 12:17; 13:35; 21:4; 26:54; 27:9, 35; etc.

Hmmm. Has heaven and earth passed away? You and I are still here, therefore, so is the Torah. Also, although pleroo means complete, this is not what its saying here. In Hebraic thought, If one is destroying the Torah, then he is teaching it wrong. If one is not destroying the Torah, then he is teaching it correctly. Which is why the Greek REALLY means TO LOOSE DOWN in the word destroy.

Yeshua did not come to Loose down the Torah, but to teach it correctly. This is why He spoke verse 19,"Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

Point One-------> Three times it is stated in 2 Corinthians 3:6-18 that the old covenant or the law was done away with and once it is spoken of as being abolished and that the new covenant has taken its place. What was done away and abolished is mentioned in particular as being "the ministration of death written and engraven in stones," which was the Ten Commandments, for they were the only part of the law written on stones. We are not obliged to keep the Ten Commandments of the old covenant. We are now obligated to keep only those of the Ten Commandments that were brought into and made a part of the new covenant. All ten of them can be found in the new covenant except the fourth commandment on the sabbath and this was not made a part of the new covenant because it was a special day commemorating the deliverance of Israel from Egyptian bondage (Deut. 5:15). It was a special day of rest for the one nation of Israel only and for Gentiles who became part of that nation (Exodus 31:12-18; Ezekiel 20:12-20). Since Gentiles and Christians were not delivered from Egyptian bondage, it is foolish to commemorate that day as commanded of Israel. Christians are freed by the new covenant from the Jewish sabbath and are free to observe any day (SEE: Romans 14:5-6; Galatians 4:9-10; Colossians 2:14-17). For the record, early Christians observed the day of Christ's resurrection to commemorate their deliverance from slavery to sin and Satan (SEE: John 20:1, 19, 26; Acts 20:7-11; 1 Cor. 16:1-2).

The mention something about the ministry of death concerning the Torah. That can ONLY be referring to the curse of the Torah. How could the blessings of the Torah be done away with? LOL where's your ivy league knowledge & COMMON SENSE? Oh I know what it is... the enemies of HaShem turns deaf ears to the truth! Read Deut 30. It is the curse of the Torah that we are not under. We are still under its blessings. Do not be fooled though, to them who do not keep Torah, and die doing so will be destroyed at the end of days.


Yeshua is the way, the TRUTH, and the life.
Certainly there were some wonderful narratives in the Old Testament--and they have application for us. Moreover, some of them are renowned as types or symbols of Christ or the Church. Consider Paul's description of the Israelites in the exodus [1 Cor. 10:1-4].

But, more to the point, I think some of the failures of ancient Israel are very similar to those of today's believers. That is why Paul could say "these things happened unto them for ensamples" to us. Without warning we could repeat the same errors, so it is wise for us to study their stories and glean what we can from them.


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