WHEN CASTING A DEVIL OUT SHOULD A PERSON FIRST RECEIVE COUNSELING YES OR NO IF YES WHY IF NO WHY..

AS A DELIVERANCE MINISTER I HAVE DISCOVERD BY CASTING DEVILS OUT WITHOUT FIRST COUNSELING LEAVES A PERSON WORST OFF BECAUSE SOME TIMES THE PERSON REALLY DIDNOT WANT TO LET IT GO AND DEAMONS COME BACK STRONGER AND MANY MORE IF SOME DILIVERANCE MIGHT HAPPEN THEY DONT REPLACE THAT VOID WITH WORD AND COMMENTMENT TO A LOCAL BODY AND BE ACCOUNTABLE TO OTHER BELEIVERS WHO ARE STRONG IN THE LORD TO HELP PRAY AND BUILD THEM UP IN THE LORD.

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Being lead by your flesh is not the Same as being POSSESSED BY A DEMON. Two different things. We walk in the flesh when we get some one told for making us mad but does that mean we are possessed with a demon? lol
Hi EW.

I didn't fully understand your above post, and laugh if you must.

However, my point is that when we are being led by the flesh, and are in sin, it is the invitation for the enemy to enter in. I do not know how else to explain this.

Mortal sin is the back door for demon possession and oppression.
If you have a scripture to support the Holy Ghost and Demons dwelling in the same body at the SAME TIME, I will gladly retract. I have never run across a scripture that supports that.
praise the lord i would just like to share some information i have ran across. a christian can have a demon but not be demon possed, i have heard this alot, demons dwell in the soulish which are our mind will and emotions they cant dwell where the spirit of the lord is. when a demon spirit has legal right to inter a body by sin of course thats how they come in they have to have a body to opperate with full power. it;s good to have scriture to back things up but God also gives revelation and understanding to the work just by hands on training.
Amen. Yes, it is down to terminology. Possession actually equates to full and total control and legal rights of possession over a human, and is not necessarily the correct word to use, so perhaps demonized is better.

My understanding and experience is very similar to yours, Christians can be demonized.
No such thing exists, EW. We can't be filled with the HOLY GHOST and have demons in there as well. Its a little too crowded!
Hi Min, Leigh

Is anyone claiming SPECIAL EXTRA BIBLICAL knowledge?

"In the Old Testament we have only one instance, and even that is not very certain. We are told that "an evil spirit from the Lord troubled" Saul (1 Samuel 16:14). The Hebrew rûah need not imply a personal influence, though, if we may judge from Josephus (Ant. Jud., VI, viii, 2; ii, 2), the Jews were inclined to give the word that meaning in this very case. In New-Testament times, however, the phenomenon had become very common."

According to the American Standard Bible, King Saul requested that the deceased prophet Samuel be summoned by channeling, even though he had been admonished by God not to allow such practices in his kingdom. He used a woman possessed by a "familiar spirit" - the Witch of Endor - for this purpose (1 Samuel ch. 28).

The New Testament mentions several opportunities in which Jesus drove out demons from diseased persons, believed to be these entities responsible for those illnesses.

* Matthew 4:23-25: Demon-possessed persons are healed by Jesus (also Luke 6:17-19).
* Matthew 7:21-23: Many will drive out demons in Jesus' name (also Mark 16:17; Luke 10:17; Acts 5:16; 8:7).
* Matthew 8:14-17: Jesus healed many demon-possessed (also Mark 1:29-39; Luke 4:33-41).
* Matthew 8:28-34: Jesus sent a herd of demons from two men into a herd of about two thousand pigs (also Mark 5:1-20; Luke 8:26-39, both referring to only one man).
* Matthew 9:32-34: Jesus made a demon-possessed and mute man speak, the Pharisees said it was by the power of Beelzebub (also Mark 3:20-22).
* Matthew 10:1-8: The Twelve Apostles given the authority to drive out evil spirits (also Mark 3:15; 6:7; 6:13; Luke 9:1; 10:17).
* Matthew 11:16-19: "this generation" said that John the Baptist was possessed by a demon (also Luke 7:31-35).
* Matthew 12:22-32: Jesus healed a demon-possessed blind and dumb man (also Luke 11:14-23; 12:10; Mark 3:20-30).
* Matthew 12:43-45: Jesus told an allegory of nasty spirits coming back home, that is to the human body where they have lived before (also Luke 11:24-26).
* Matthew 15:21-28: Jesus expelled a demon from the body of the daughter of a Canaanite woman (also Mark 7:24-30).
* Matthew 17:14-21: Jesus healed a lunatic by driving out a demon from him (also Mark 9:14-29; Luke 9:37-49).
* Mark 1:21-28: Jesus expelled a nasty spirit from a man (also Luke 4:31-37).
* Mark 9:38-40: A non-Christian is seen driving out demons in Jesus' name (also Luke 9:49-50).
* Mark 16:9: Jesus had driven seven demons out of Mary Magdalene (also Luke 8:2).
* Luke 7:21: Many people are cleansed from evil spirits by Jesus.
* Luke 13:10-17: Jesus expelled a spirit of disease from the body of a woman on the Sabbath.
* Luke 13:31-32: Jesus continued to cast out demons even though Herod Antipas wanted to kill him.
* Luke 22:3: Satan entered into Judas Iscariot (also John 13:27).
* John 7:20: A "crowd of Jews" that wanted to kill Jesus said he was demon-possessed.
* John 8:48-52: "The Jews" said Jesus was a Samaritan and demon-possessed.
* John 10:20-21: Many Jews said Jesus was raving mad and demon-possessed, others said he was not.
* Acts 5:3: Satan filled the heart of Ananias.
* Acts 5:16: The Apostles healed those tormented by evil spirits.
* Acts 8:6-8: At the teaching of Philip the Evangelist in Samaria, evil spirits came out of many.
* Acts 8:18-19: Simon Magus offered to buy the power of Laying on of hands.
* Acts 10:38: St. Peter said Jesus healed all who were under the power of the devil.
* Acts 16:16-24: Paul and Silas were imprisoned for driving a future-telling spirit out of a slave girl.
* Acts 19:11-12: Handkerchiefs and aprons touched by Paul cured illness and drove out evil spirits.
* Acts 19:13-20: Seven sons of Sceva attempted to drive out evil spirits by saying: "In the name of Jesus, whom Paul preaches, I command you to come out." But because they did not have faith in Jesus, they were unsuccessful and were actually driven from that house by the possessed.
* Revelation 18:2: The Whore of Babylon is a home for demons, evil spirits and unclean birds.

Despite an English language translation tradition, the Bible never refers to people as being possessed by demons. The main New Testament expressions referred to demonic influence are:

1. 'to be demonized' (daimonizomai) - this is the most frequent expression.
2. 'having a demon' (echon daimonion) - note it is the person who possesses the demon, not the demon who possesses the person.[5]

Certainly the language of "possession", like other mistranslations, has gained a life of its own, as is reflected in the title of this article. Murphy comments on the traditional language of "possession": "Fortunately, the practice of using these terms is now in the process of correction because of renewed historical-contextual studies of Scripture and renewed experience with the demonized."[6] Some allow the term "possession" but restrict its use only for the most extreme cases, which are thought to be extremely rare. [7] In most cases where a demon is believed to be involved, it tends to (1) influence the individual towards sinful or violent behavior or (2) cause physical or mental ailments that prove resistant to medical or psychiatric intervention.

The literal view of demonization is still held by a number of Christian denominations. Official Catholic doctrine affirms that demonic oppression can occur as distinguished from mental illness, but stresses that cases of mental illness should not be misdiagnosed as demonic influence. Catholic exorcisms can occur only under the authority of a bishop and in accordance with strict rules; a simple exorcism also occurs during Baptism (CCC 1673).

A great deal of controversy surrounds the book War on the Saints originally published in 1912 as a resource to the Christian faced with combating demon influences.

The concept of demon influence in Christianity was similar to that of Jewish belief. In the New Testament Jesus is reported to have encountered people who were demonized and to have driven the "evil spirits" out of these demoniacs. In the 4th century, St. Hillary asserted that demons entered the bodies of humans to use them as if they were theirs, and also proposed that the same could happen with animals.

The New Testament's description of people who had evil spirits includes a capacity for hidden knowledge (e.g., future events, innermost thoughts of the people around them) (Acts 16:16) and great strength (Act 19:16), among others, and shows those with evil spirits can speak of Christ (Acts 19:16, Mark 3:11). According to Catholic theologians, demonic assault can be involuntary and allowed by God to test a person (for more details about God's tests on persons see Job). Involuntary demonic assault, according to these theologians, cannot be denied because this would imply the negation of the cases mentioned in the New Testament (12, some of them repeated in more than one Gospel). However, in the overwhelming majority of cases of alleged demonic possession in modern times, the victim can suffer due to any of a number of personal initiatives: occult practices, mortal sin, loss of faith, or psychological trauma, among others.

In previous centuries, the Christian church offered suggestions on safeguarding one’s home. Suggestions ranged from dousing a household with Holy water, placing wax and herbs on thresholds to “ward off witches occult,” and avoiding certain areas of townships known to be frequented by witches and Devil worshippers after dark.[8]

Refs
1) Ferber, Sarah, Demonic Possession and Exorcism in Early Modern France(London, Routledge, 2004, 25, 116).
2) Sumerian "gidim"
3) Indiana Univ: MEDICINE IN ANCIENT MESOPOTAMIA
4) Willis, Deborah, Malevolent Nurture: Witch-Hunting and Maternal Power in Early Modern England (New York, Cornell University Press, 1995)
5) Murphy, Ed. 1996.The Handbook for Spiritual Warfare. Nashville: Thomas Nelson, Rev. Ed., p.51
6) Murphy, Ed. 1996. The Handbook for Spiritual Warfare. Nashville: Thomas Nelson, Rev. Ed., p.50
7) MacNutt, Francis. 1995. Deliverance from evil Spirits: a practical manual. Grand Rapids: Chosen Books. p.71
8) Broedel, Hans Peter, The Malleus Malfeicarum and the Construction of Witchcraft (Great Britain, Manchester University Press, 2003, 32-33), Barajo, Caro, World of the Witches, (Great Britain, University of Chicago Press, 1964, 73)

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