Which Jesus/Yeshua Christ/YHWH are you following?

[Min. Kareem A. Christian]

Which Jesus/Yeshua Christ/YHWH are you following?

I was just reading a book entitled, “Jesus of Suburbia” … in this book the author goes to great lengths to make the contrast between the Jesus/Yeshua of Nazareth vs. the Jesus/Yeshua of the Suburbs… I have to agree with the author, Christianity is split on the Person and Work of Jesus/Yeshua Christ/YHWH… many have an distorted view and understanding of Jesus/Yeshua Christ/YHWH of Nazareth… like Judas, many thought/thinke He came to over power the social, economical and political world structures… for many they preach and follow a Jesus/Yeshua that’s similar to a catastrophic Santa Claus… that’s the Jesus/Yeshua of Suburbia… Whereas, the Jesus/Yeshua of Nazareth never promised His followers world riches, fame, social or economic structure… but He did promise His followers a cross, a crown, and eternity with Him...

Which Jesus/Yeshua Christ/YHWH are you teaching, preaching, and following?

[Kouassi Kouamé Germain]

Brother Moreh!

Why does the name JESUS CHRIST disturb you so much?

Please, tell me, are you a grandson of those who commanded the Disciples not to speak or teach at all in the name of Jesus(Acts 4:18)? I wonder!

The issue concerning that name has already been discussed.

I did post the article below. Please, read it again and let down that trivial and boring debate about the name of the Lord Jesus-Christ.


"1)The Hebrew name for Jesus is Yeshua, a name found 27 times in the Hebrew Bible, so we know exactly what his name was. (The name is accented on the second syllable: ye-SHU-a). Yeshua is short for Yehoshua (= Joshua), which means Yahweh is salvation. The first trace of the name is found in connection with Joshua, the son of Nun, Moses’ assistant. Originally his name was Hoshea (Num. 13:8). The name Hoshea is derived from the hiphil stem of the Hebrew verb "yasha" [yod, shin, ayin] (BDB, 446; Gesenius, 435), which means "he saves, delivers." So the name Hoshea means "salvation" or "he saves, delivers." Moses changed his name to Hebrew "Yehoshua" [English: Joshua]:

"These are the names of the men Moses sent to explore the land. (Moses gave Hoshea son of Nun the name Joshua.)" Numbers 13:16

Moses coined this name by merging the name Hoshea with the prefix abbreviation "Yeho" of the divine name "YHWH" changing the meaning to "YHWH is salvation" or "YHWH saves, delivers" (BDB, 221; Gesenius, 386).

The name Yeshua ("Jeshua" in English translations), as we just noted, is the abbreviated form of Yehoshua ("Joshua") (BDB, 221; Gesenius, 433). We know that from the books of Ezra and Nehemiah:

"And all the assembly of those who had returned from the captivity made booths and lived in the booths, for from the days of Jeshua the son of Nun to that day the people of Israel had not done so. And there was very great rejoicing." Nehemiah 8:17 ESV

There was a high priest who was also named Jeshua:

"Then arose Jeshua the son of Jozadak, with his fellow priests, and Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel with his kinsmen, and they built the altar of the God of Israel, to offer burnt offerings on it, as it is written in the Law of Moses the man of God." Ezra 3:2

This same high priest is called Yehoshua ("Joshua") in Zechariah 3 and 6, affirming that the name Yeshua is the abbreviation of this very same name.

2) One must understand what the name Yeshua meant in the first century AD, and the NT tells us that. Because Yeshua is the short form of a name meaning "Yahweh is salvation," it is highly appropriate that this is the name of the Savior of the world, as Matthew 1:21 attests. In that text the angel of the Lord explained its meaning:

"She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus (Iesoun), because he will save his people from their sins."

Hence, God himself explained through his angel that Jesus’ name means "Savior," just as the NT emphatically indicates in many places:

"Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ the Lord." Luke 2:11

"They said to the woman, ‘We no longer believe just because of what you said; now we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this man really is the Savior of the world." John 4:42

"God exalted him to his own right hand as Prince and Savior that he might give repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel." Acts 5:31

"From this man’s descendants God has brought to Israel the Savior Jesus, as he promised." Acts 13:23

"For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior." Ephesians 5:23

"But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ," Philippians 3:20

"but it has now been revealed through the appearing of our Savior, Christ Jesus, who has destroyed death and has brought life and immortality to light through the gospel." 2 Timothy 1:10

"and at his appointed season he brought his word to light through the preaching entrusted to me by the command of God our Savior, To Titus, my true son in our common faith: Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior." Titus 1:3-4

"and not to steal from them, but to show that they can be fully trusted, so that in every way they will make the teaching about God our Savior attractive. For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men. It teaches us to say ‘No’ to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, while we wait for the blessed hope—the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good." Titus 2:10-14

"But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life." Titus 3:4-7

"Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours… and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ." 2 Peter 1:1, 11

"If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning." 2 Peter 2:20

"But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen." 2 Peter 3:18

"And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world." 1 John 4:14

As Messianic Jewish commentator Dr. David H. Stern says in reference to Matthew 1:21:

This verse is an example of a "semitism" (an allusion to Hebrew or Aramaic) brought over literally into the Greek text. It provides strong evidence in favor of the theory that there was a Hebrew or Aramaic oral or written tradition behind the extant Greek manuscripts, for only in Hebrew or Aramaic does the explanation here of Yeshua’s name make any sense; in Greek (or English) it explains nothing.

The Hebrew word for "he will save" is "yoshia‘," which has the same Hebrew root (yud-shin-‘ayin) as the name Yeshua (yud-shin-vav-‘ayin). Thus the Messiah’s name is explained on the basis of what he will do. Etymologically the name Yeshua is a contraction of the Hebrew name Y’hoshua (English "Joshua"), which means "YHVH saves." It is also the masculine form of the Hebrew word "yeshu‘ah," which means "salvation." …

According to Professors David Flusser and Shmuel Safrai, Orthodox Jews, "Yeshu" was how the name "Yeshua" was pronounced by Galilean Jews in the first century. We know from 26:73 below that Jews of Galil had a different dialect than those of Judea. According to Flusser (Jewish Sources in Early Christianity, p. 15) Galileans did not pronounce the Hebrew letter ‘ayin at the end of a word, much as Cockneys drop "h" at the beginning. That is, instead of saying "Ye-shoo-ah" they said "Yeh-shoo." Undoubtedly some people began spelling the name according to this pronunciation. (David H. Stern, Jewish New Testament Commentary [Clarksville, Maryland; Jewish New Testament Publications, 1996], pp. 4-5)

MENJ basically corroborates this when he writes:

Another name involving this root is "Jeshua`" (Joshua), which means ‘God + save’, just like many other Hebrew names, such as "Yehonatan" - ‘God gave’, "Yehoshafat" - ‘God judged’. In other words, "Yeshua`" is clearly related to a group of words meaning ’save’.

So Jeshua, which is the very same word Yeshua ("Jesus"), means ‘God + save’, or more precisely "Yahweh saves"!

3) There is additional evidence from the Greek version of the Hebrew Bible (Septuagint, LXX) confirming that this is the precise meaning of Jesus’ name. The Septuagint renders the Hebrew Yehoshua and Yeshua as Iesous, the Greek form of Jesus’ name:

"These are the names of the men whom Moses sent to spy out the land; and Moses called Ause [Hoshea] the son of Naue, Joshua (Iesoun)." Numbers 13:16 Brenton’s LXX

"… for the children of Israel had not done so from the days of Joshua (Iesou) the son of Naue until that day: and there was great joy." Nehemiah 8:17 Brenton’s

"Then stood up Jesus (Iesous) the son of Josedec, and his brethren the priests…" Ezra 3:2 Brenton’s

Lest MENJ complain about our appeal to the Septuagint we only need to remind him of his own praise of it:

A) First, we would like to introduce to the reader the Septuagint, which shall be the main reference in this discussion other than the Bible itself. Let us delve into the explanation about the Septuagint:. The word "Septuagint" is taken from the Latin word septuaginta which means "70". Therefore, this book is also known as "LXX", which simply means "70". We wish refer to The Hutchinson Educational Encyclopedia (HEE) about the Septuagint:

Septuagint n. a Greek version of the Old Testament including the Apocrypha (c.3rd cent. Before Christ), so called because, according to tradition, about 70 persons were employed on the translation. [Latin: septuaginta 70]

From the citation above, we can conclude that:

1) Septuagint is a Greek version of the Old Testament.

2) It (Septuagint) has already existed three centuries before Christ was born, and therefore it is authentic.

The question arises, why are we focusing our attention on the LXX in our discussion?

The answer is because it would make it easier for us to compare the original phrase of the relevant verses (like John 8:58 and Exodus 3:14) in Greek, since both the New Testament and LXX (Septuagint) were written in Greek. (http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/Bible/Commentary/i-am.htm; link is now defunct and article hasn’t been posted on the new version of MENJ’s site)

Besides, even Gesenius himself admitted that Joshua was rendered as Iesous in Greek.

In fact, the Apocryphal writing Sirach explicitly says that the name Joshua, Iesous, means one who saves:

"Joshua (Iesous) the son of Nun was mighty in war, and was the successor of Moses in prophesying. He became, in accordance with his name, a GREAT SAVIOR of God's elect," Sirach 46:1

4) There is another Hebrew word, y'shua, accented on the last syllable (y'-shu-A), and it means "salvation, deliverance." That is NOT the name of Jesus, but comes from the same root for salvation.

MENJ concludes with the following erroneous assertion:

If Jesus’ name was indeed, "Yeshua`" as Christians have claimed with no real evidence, it would only support the other theory that Jesus(P) was not resurrected but survived the crucifixion as God Almighty says in the Qur’an:

"That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not" [4:157]

RESPONSE:

MENJ makes the great mistake of trying to use the meaning of a name to disprove a verifiable historical fact--Jesus did die on the cross, and he arose from the dead. Apart from his blunder on the meaning of the name, what kind of scholarship is MENJ employing? What laws of logic or sound reasoning can justify such sophistry? Maybe this is the logic of the Quran or Allah, and MENJ is giving us a first hand look at what Islamic logic 101 is like?

More importantly, even if we were to argue that Jesus’ name doesn’t mean Savior, but refers to him being saved, this still doesn’t deny his death and resurrection. The Bible says that God did save Jesus from death, yet not by preventing him from going to the Cross but by raising him back to life:

"During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him." Hebrews 5:7-9

"But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone. In bringing many sons to glory, it was fitting that God, for whom and through whom everything exists, should make the author of their salvation perfect through suffering. Both the one who makes men holy and those who are made holy are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers. He says, ‘I will declare your name to my brothers; in the presence of the congregation I will sing your praises.’ And again, ‘I will put my trust in him.’ And again he says, ‘Here am I, and the children God has given me.’ Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil— and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death." Hebrews 2:9-15

"May the God of peace, who through the blood of the eternal covenant brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great Shepherd of the sheep, equip you with everything good for doing his will, and may he work in us what is pleasing to him, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen." Hebrews 13:20-21

"Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. This man was handed over to you by God’s set purpose and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross. But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him." Acts 2:22-24

Amen! We boldly and joyfully confess that Jesus did indeed die on the Cross for unworthy sinners and arose on the third day, thereby destroying Satan, sin, and death, ushering in glorious immortality. And for that we love and praise you for ever and ever, O Immortal and Sovereign King of the ages. Come Lord Jesus, come!

All scriptural quotations taken from the New International Version (NIV) of the Holy Bible, unless stated otherwise..."

Blessings,

Bro. Germain

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[Rev. Anthony Luckett]

Jesus- form of Joshua meaning Jehova is salvation or savior. Both words mean savior. It is the earthly name of God's son. As God, He was not called Jesus or Christ. Jesus is the greek form of the Hebrew Yehoshua (rendered Joshua) meaning Savior or God who is salvation.

Lord- Yehova the self existent, eternal one.
2. Adon
3.Adonay or adoni
4. Yah- Lord. This is the same as Jehova and is a contraction of that word. Yah is Johovah in a special relationship to man as having becom his salvation. It is translated Lord 44 times.
5. gebiyr
6. shaliysh
7. rab
8. mare

[YahsNiviim]

Another point is this. YHWH said that he is Our savior and besides him there is no other savior. So Yah is Salvation is what je/sus is suppose to mean. Here is the Problem. Yahshua did not come to save the greeks. He came to save Yisrael. He came for the Hebrew people the Yahuda. This is who he came for. He did not come to save American people. We are the chosen people just living in America not knowing who we are. So when we come out of that catholic, white christian slavery mentality then we will be able to see the truth.

[M]

You have spoken correctly, Yahsua came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Keep up the good work my brother. The Word says that Yahweh will send them strong delusion that they should believe a lie, LORD, JESUS ect. By not calling on the right name,... poople are not saved. The word also stated in Deuteronomy that Yah's people would be scattered throughout the Earth and they would worship other gods, wood and stone.

Additionally, most people do not know that the root word for church is "CIRCUS."

Please provide me directions so I can visit you and your assembly.

M

[Pastor Pennington]

I do not believe they are afraid of his name. I believe they just deny him as the messiah. Big difference.

[YahsNiviim]

No you can not be speaking of the same person. I have a name and my name is Allen and if you call me ted I will not answer you. Just as Yahshua is Yahshua that is his name it is not je/sus as this is a greek name. Yahshua was and is a Hebrew. Period end of story.
He came for Yisrael he did not come for the whole world. He came for those in whom he chose. He is going to save Yisrael not the whole world.
Now you want to subscribe to this universalism and that is not scripture. Those who call on my name. I will answer them. G(o)d is not a name it is a title and not a proper title at that. Ha/ze/us is not related to the name that is above every name it is a pagan name. Think of one person you really dislike (please put down your holier than thou for a min. and go along with it) and someone called you by their name. Or they kept rubbing this person that you really dislike in fact hate them. How would you feel?

[YahsNiviim]

It is truly sad when someone cares not to find the truth of the one they say they love. You miss have your own mind of thinking which is a programed mind. Now I am not sure but I am pretty sure that I have been in church longer than you been alive. I have been down the je/sus road and saw the many failures that accompany it. It has always been in the back of my mind to know the truth.
After 32 years in a christian church and 23 of those year in a terrible drug addiction I could not find my way out. 32 years of being in church and crying out to je/sus and no results. Knowing I truly had a heart to serve "g(o)d". Preaching 17 years and 11 of those years battling this same monster of addiction. I saw no way out. After going to Cemetery I mean Seminary knowing scripture backwards and forwards. I still could not get out of my mess. Well it was not till I left the church because I was church hurt and fell into a deeper addiction and that I was homeless did I meet YHWH one on one and I have never been the same.
John 8:32 says that you shall know the emet (truth) and the emet shall make you free.
Have been in church but miss (because I can not call you sister because you are not my sister) now that I know the truth it has changed my life. I no longer have to be addicted to anything. My life is so wonderful YHWH is moving in ways that are beyond belief. When you get a hunger for the truth of Who YHWH is and start to follow what he has commanded us to do then great and marvelous things will happen in your life also.

[Rev. Anthony Luckett]

The Jesus who died on the cross for my sins, and rose early on the third day. Ascending back to Heaven and now sits on the right hand of God, whose on HIS WAY back again.

[YahsNiviim]

Shalom
How are you ? Long time no see.
I just want to say this that we tend to look at this from a european standpoint when it is a Hebrew standpoint. I do not care what culture people are in it is the Hebrew culture that they must embrace. It is just that simple. Nothing deep. No what has happen is this replacement theology which is pure error and sin. For when you add or take away from the word that YHWH has ordained it is sin and their is consequences for sin. Now robert I want to ask you a question and please brother be honest. If scripture tells us that there is no other name in which we can be saved and we got the wrong name can we be saved?

[Rev. Anthony Luckett]

I'm doing well brother YahsNiviim. You said Robert, but I assume you were talking about me. But then again you could have called me the wrong name on purpose. (lol) If you get the name wrong, you can't be saved. One must be sure who they are calling upon. I can't call upon the name of budda or anthony and be saved, because neither one took on our sins. (this is about to get good...lol)

[Rev. Anthony Luckett]

Well Moreh and Brother YahsNiviim, I guess I have to hit the books when I get home tonight. I know many don't look at the translations or nor have the study material to do so. But I will do my research. I know I have to bring my "A" game when dialouging with you and brother YahsNIviim. I can tell you this though, it was Jesus who saved me.

[YahsNiviim]

Now Please do not be offended, but it was the same name I called on too. I believe that he will honor it when you do not know if your heart is right, but there comes a time when you know better you have to do better. For those who know and do not do it is sin and if we willfully sin there is no more sacrifice for sin. That is something that you really need to think about. Because if we get this wrong there is hell to pay. I do not trust man or put my trust in man but in the Ruach of the The living Yah.