Which Jesus/Yeshua Christ/YHWH are you following?

[Min. Kareem A. Christian]

Which Jesus/Yeshua Christ/YHWH are you following?

I was just reading a book entitled, “Jesus of Suburbia” … in this book the author goes to great lengths to make the contrast between the Jesus/Yeshua of Nazareth vs. the Jesus/Yeshua of the Suburbs… I have to agree with the author, Christianity is split on the Person and Work of Jesus/Yeshua Christ/YHWH… many have an distorted view and understanding of Jesus/Yeshua Christ/YHWH of Nazareth… like Judas, many thought/thinke He came to over power the social, economical and political world structures… for many they preach and follow a Jesus/Yeshua that’s similar to a catastrophic Santa Claus… that’s the Jesus/Yeshua of Suburbia… Whereas, the Jesus/Yeshua of Nazareth never promised His followers world riches, fame, social or economic structure… but He did promise His followers a cross, a crown, and eternity with Him...

Which Jesus/Yeshua Christ/YHWH are you teaching, preaching, and following?

[HOPE - Psalm 43:5]

Unfortunately I'm misunderstood as one who only wants knowledge for the sake of knowledge or maybe even hidden Gnosticism. Far from it. But I get what you are saying and all I can reply is...

Amen and Amen.

[YahsNiviim]

I want to share something with you and I pray that you pray about what I am about to say to you.
I want to share tow passages of scripture and you can read them for yourself so I will not put any words in your mouth so to speak. LOL
1. Ex. 23:13 and the other is Ps.16:4. Both talk about what come out of our mouths. And us being careful in what we say for some do not know what we say out of mouth. This is another reason we have to be careful about saying names in which we do not know where they came from and who they are truly attached to. Most do not know that the word am/en is not the correct pronunciation of the word Amain (spelling is not right to show the difference). am/en is not the same as Amein. But for arguments sake I do not use either one as to not offend YHWH. am/en R/a/h is a Egyptian sun deity. Now if you read the above scriptures you will see why I said this. But this also goes along with the Fact of saying the name je/sus. If this is not the name of YHWH son why profane the name that YHWH gave to his son Thru his Eemah (mother)? we have to be careful as the devil is truly tricky.

[HOPE - Psalm 43:5]

this is one of the reasons why I researched the name given to me at birth... I researched the meanings of my first name Tracy and my maiden name (surname) Thompson. Unknown to my mom.. my name became a fulfilled prophecy of sorts.

However, at least she didnt give me a name like B'quisha or the like. I don't think I would be able to find a clear definition nor explanation of such a name.

thanks for the info.. Yah's prophet gave me some homework to do....

[Anna]

All:
Let's move on from opinion and let's see what the Bible scholars say about Messiah's name:

Yahshua is the true name of the Messiah

(Note that Joshua = Yoshua or Yahshua because there is no "J" sound in Hebrew. The letter "J" is only about 500 years old and isn't even found in the original 1611 King James version.)

The purpose of this study is to demonstrate that the Messiah's name never was "Jesus" and that the name "Jesus" is actually an invention of man.

In the King James Version of the scriptures, we find an interesting problem in its translation:

Acts 7:44(KJV) Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness, as he had appointed, speaking unto Moses, that he should make it according to the fashion that he had seen. 45 Which also our fathers that came after brought in with Jesus into the possession of the Gentiles, whom God drave out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David;

Isn't this scripture referring to Joshua, son of Nun rather than the Savior? Yes. Here is another instance...

Hebr 4:7 (KJV) Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

Again, the context reveals that this scripture is referring to Joshua, the son of Nun and not the Messiah. All other translations put "Joshua" here. Why then is it translated 'Jesus'? The answer lies in the Greek/Latin corruption of the Messiah's original Hebrew name. Originally, the name of the Messiah was , pronounced Yahshua. This is the Messiah's original name. When the Gentiles tried to transliterate His name into Greek, they came up with ihsoun or "Iesous". But originally, this word was from #3091 in the Hebrew which is . When Iesous was transliterated into Latin, it became "Iesus", which was then carried over into English it became our modern day "Jesus" when the letter "J" developed.

Therefore, the reason the King James Version has "Jesus" in those two verses is because the Messiah's name is actually the same name as Joshua, Son of Nun... correctly pronounced "Yahshua". It is quite evident that the modern form "Jesus" doesn't even remotely resemble the original name that the disciples were praying in, baptizing in and receiving so much criticism for preaching in. This is fact. Do some research and see for yourself.

Secular References

Encyclopedia Americana:
"Jesus Christ--- ...Although Matthew (1:21) interprets the name originally Joshua, that is, 'Yahweh is Salvation,' and finds it specially appropriate for Jesus of Nazareth, it was a common one at that time." (Vol.16, p. 41)

Encyclopedia Britannica (15th ed.)
"Jesus Christ---...The same is true of the name Jesus. In the Septuagint it is the customary Greek form for the common Hebrew name Joshua;" (Vol. 10 p.149)

Religious Scholars
Barnes' notes: (Note on Matt. 1:21)
"His name is Jesus: The name Jesus is the same as Saviour. It is derived from the verb signifying to save. In Hebrew it is the same as Joshua. In two places [Acts 7:45 and Hebrews 4:8] in the New Testament it is used where is means Joshua, the leader of the Jews into Canaan, and in our translation the name Joshua should have been retained."

Word studies in the New Testament, by Marvin R. Vincent---
"Jesus. The Greek form of a Hebrew name, which had been borne by two illustrious individuals in former periods of the Jewish History --- Joshua, the successor of Moses, and Jeshua, the high priest, who with Zerubbabel took so active a part in the re-establishment of the civil and religious polity of the Jews in their return from Babylon. Its original and full form is Jehoshua, becoming by contraction Joshua or Jeshua."

The Acts of the Apostles, by Jackson and Lake
"Jesus--- This is the regular Greek translation of the Hebrew Joshua."

Smith's Bible Dictionary:
"Jesus Christ ---- The name Jesus means Savior, and was a common name, derived from the ancient Hebrew Jehoshua."

A Dictionary of the Bible, by James Hastings
"Jesus -- The Greek form of the name Joshua or Jeshua. Jeshua ---- Yahweh is Salvation or Yahweh is opulence."

Alford's Greek New Testament, An Exegetical and Critical Commentary:
"Jesus -- The same name as Joshua, the former deliverer of Israel."

Encyclopedic Dictionary of Religion:
"Jesus (The Name) --- Matthew's gospel explains it as symbolic of His mission, 'For he will save His people from their sins.' This agrees with the popular meaning as 'Yahweh saves...' " p.1886

Catholic Encyclopedia:
"The Sacred Name ---- The word Jesus is the Latin form of the Greek "Iesous" which in turn is the transliteration of the Hebrew Jeshua, or Joshua, or again Jehoshua, meaning 'Jehovah is Salvation' " Vol. 8, p. 374

Interpreter's Bible: (Note on Matt. 1:21)
"Jesus: for He shall save: The play on words (Yeshua, Jesus; yoshia, shall save) is possible in Hebrew but not in Aramaic. The name Joshua means "Yahweh is salvation"

Matthew Henry's Commentary
(on Matthew 1:21)
"Jesus is the same name with Joshua, the termination only being changed, for the sake of conforming it to the greek."

Conclusion

It can be concluded then, that "Jesus" was not the Messiah's name when He walked the earth. That no one ever called him Jesus during his lifetime. They would have called him Yahshua.

Jesus was a name invented by man, only in use since the 1500s A.D. Therefore since we know the original name, Yahshua, which the Angel gave to Hebrew mother from His Father in heaven, why should we use the name Jesus, when we know the His true inspired divine name?

P.S.: Do you all realize that Satan's name is the same in Hebrew and English.....hmmmm

[HOPE - Psalm 43:5]

Let's see,

Heresy #1 - ARIANISM.... The Honorary Mention

The belief that the Word (Logos) who assumed flesh in Jesus Christ (John 1:14) was not the true God and that he had an
entirely different nature, neither eternal nor omnipotent.” The claim that because God was one immutable substance He could not share His essence with another being. in this case, the person that Christians call Christ. So, Christ, therefore was not God, he was a created being, albeit, created from nothing and before all other created things. Christ is given the
honorific title Son of God in light of his role in redemption and his adoption by the Father. Yeah... He made it to the Honoary mention list...!!! (eyebrow raised)

Heresy #2 - PATRIPASSIANISM -- Why is the Father talking to Himself all the time?

This is the heretical teaching that it was the Father who became incarnate, was born of a virgin, and who suffered and died on the cross.” Therefore, it was the Father who suffered on the cross as the Son but wasn't really the Son but was the Father calling Himself the Son who was only begotten of Himself. Confused??? Well so are they.

This could easily be believable until you read the Father addressing the Son and the Son addressing the Father

Ok wait... so these two heretical thoughts contradict one another... If the Son is not God but mere man who so pleased the Father that he gained honorary mention but the other says it was the Father who was the Son... the two thoughts cancel each other out.

Question for both heretical positions:

Does the Elohim sit next to Himself? Is He seated at the right hand of himself. Does He go to Himself? Is He interceding on our behalf with HImself?

Mark 16:19 : Ps 110:1; Luke 22:69; Acts 7:55; Rom 8:34; Eph 1:20; Col 3:1; Heb 1:3; 8:1; 10:12; 12:2; 1 Pet 3:22

Does He make comments about pleasing Himself with Himself? No wait, He wasn't talking about Himself, He was talking about the mere human whom He gave honorary mention.....

2 Peter 1:17
For when He received honor and glory from God the Father, such an utterance as this was made to Him by the Majestic Glory, "This is My beloved Son with whom I am well-pleased"--


Which would also mean He was speaking to Himself when dying on the cross asking Himself why He was forsaking Himself as well as the many times He was calling Himself "Father" and referring to Himself as the only begotten Son of Himself.

These depictions is kind of a schizophrenic representation of the One whom we so vehemently worship.

I am open to learning about my Hebraic heritage but not to the point of accepting heresy.

[YahsNiviim]

You still will not answer my questions? Why? Are you afraid? Or do you not know the answers? Are you afraid that I will be right?

[YahsNiviim]

I am sorry maybe you missed it because I called you by another name. My question was. If I called you tony or tina who would you feel? If there was someone who you really disliked and I keep calling you by that name. How would you feel?

[Pastor Pennington]

The great point are exactly destroying your trinity doctrine. If he is one then he would not have to ask his father he is greater than the son why is he forsaking him?

[YahsNiviim]

Shalom
Sister Tracy I do understand and the first thing we can not do is Put YHWH in a box. The second thing is that we can not allow the polluted teachings of man who does not know YHWH or have relationship with YHWH to tell us about him. Example- Your name is Tracy you and you live in a nice house 3 stories to be exact. You drive a nice car. a Ford to be exact. You have four kids. you are married to a nice husband named ben. You go to school and you love church. You also love pizza. End of example.
Now I can tell you that some of those things are dead right. Why because these are things that you told me about your self. The rest are not true because I guessed and because I really do not know you I am dead wrong.
The same thing with those who really do not have relationship with YHWH.
Now the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit because the have to be spiritually discerned. Who knows the minds of YHWH except the spirit of YHWH and only the Ruach can show these things to us.
Let us look at the track record of YHWH. YHWH has always used ordinary men. Second just because you are eternal does not make you YHWH. Point - THe devil is eternal and we all see how he turned out. ONLY YHWH is YHWH and he said that He Is Echad - ONE. He is not three he is one.
Now YHWH revealed himself through Yahshua. If you do not believe that then you have to read scripture.
Gal. 110For do I now persuade men, or Elohim? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I should not be a servant of
Messiah.
11 And I make known to you, brothers,
that the Good News announced by me is
not according to man.
12For I did not receive it from man, nor
was I taught it, but through a revelation of
aSWHY Messiah.

Here it is in a nut shell. Yahshua was Chosen to just like we where to be made in the image and likeness of YHWH to be the Tsawdeka (righteousness) of YHWH and the ore (light) of YHWH. It is really simple when you understand that YHWH is Ehlohiym all by himself and Yet he gave Yahshua sonship just as we were and are still sons of YHWH even now for those of us who follow in Yahshua's foot steps.
Yahshua is YHWH's Proxy if you will. He has been found worthy of sonship by the sacrifice in which he made for us. So that we may once again have an right to the tree of Life. When we follow in the foot steps of Yahshua (Him being the Way) Listen to what Yahshua tells us (Him being the truth because he said what YHWH said) He is the life ( Because he takes us back to YHWH (who is the very essence of Life). We become whole once again and are now even Yet Sons of YHWH.

[Kouassi Kouamé Germain]

Hi dear sister Tracy,


YAHSHUA (JESUS) PRE-EXISTED AS YAHWEH, ELOHIM OF ISRAEL

This is not an erroneous view, this not heresy but the Truth according to the Holy Scriptures!

AMEN!


For more details, I do recommend you to visit the following Web site and to order the booklet entitled “ Understanding the Godhead”.

I do invite you to read my message entitled:

"YAHSHUA THE MESSIAH (JESUS) IS THE ONE TRUE GOD, YAHWEH ALMIGHTY, THE LORD OF THE OLD TESTAMENT, THE HEAVENLY FATHER!"


http://www.inthedaysofthevoice.com

God has already spoken by His Prophet. Please recognize your day and its Message.

"He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."

Revelation 3:22

May God bless you!

Bro. Germain

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[Min. Kareem A. Christian]

I believe it’s hard for many to understand the true teachings of God/YHWH because of the translations of Bibles in which they study. Many pious men in their innocence have translated the Bible into their own language with error.
Many are unaware and therefore unequipped because of their lack in understanding what the Bible says in its original language “Hebrew”. A brief history as time won’t allow me to break this down;

The people of God under the Old Covenant spoke Hebrew, and God moved His chosen men to write His Word in the Old Testament in Hebrew (and, in a very few verses, Aramaic). For many centuries this was sufficient for His people; they could read the Law and teach it to their children as the Lord commanded (Deuteronomy 6). The ancient language of the Patriarchs served the people well, and they continued to use it to their advantage for many centuries. But their sin changed this. The people abandoned the God of their Scriptures and served idols; they failed to keep the Sabbaths as commanded in the Law. In order to punish the people, bring them back to the Lord and give the land its Sabbath rest (2 Chronicles 36.21), the Lord sent the people into exile, into the lands of the heathen Assyrians and Babylonians. The northern tribes of Israel never returned, and only a remnant of the southern tribes of Judah was restored to the land.

Judah's seventy years of exile brought about numerous changes amongst the people. No longer did they abandon the true God and disobey His Law so overtly. But at the same time, they were no longer the separated Hebrew people they had once been. Many had taken foreign wives and sired children who were not taught the language of their fathers (Nehemiah 13.23, 24). Many chose to stay in the countries to which they had been exiled, where they lost the ability to read Hebrew.

Many are studying the text from a Hellenistic version produced by Alexander the Great. Between 336-324 BC, Alexander the Great, king of Macedon, conquered much of what was then the known world. In addition to being a great military conqueror, he was also a cultural conqueror, bringing with him into his new territories Greek culture and language. Alexandria, Egypt, became the seat of his Hellenistic culture. A considerable number of Jews, particularly those of Alexandria, accepted Greek as their language, with many never learning the language of their fathers. To Jews both outside of Israel and in, the Hebrew Scriptures had become a closed book.


For further clarification; Jerome for many years had translated the Old Testament from the Septuagint into Latin. In the latter part of the century, however, he recognized the differences between the Greek Septuagint and the Hebrew, and began making translations of the Hebrew books, primarily for the benefit and use of his friends. "Jerome was often criticized for using the Hebrew text rather than the Septuagint as the basis for his translation, but he rightly argued that the Septuagint was not inspired and that a better translation could be made from the Hebrew, the original language of the Old Testament." In time his translation, the Vulgate, grew in importance and became the accepted Latin version.

In many of our churches today, the Bibles are anti-Christian bias and with the warping of modern liberal and neo-orthodox theology. I encourage everybody to study, take lessons, classes on Hebrew language… (Orthodox not Hellenistic)… to better understand God’s Word…

[YahsNiviim]

Shalom now this is an excellent reply. Tov (good) job on a short history of that. And if I may also the other point here is that because almost all of the hebrew writing had been destroyed by Rome that leaves us with a very hard job of trying to dig for the truth. What is the christian church hiding? Why does the vatican have over 30 miles of secret underground book selves on tight locked down? Why can't people come and look at all of the history that they are hiding in that vault?
see if I have the truth I do not mind sharing it because one thing is this the truth always proves it self. I do not need to prove it.