Whose Image is in Your, Mind? - Black Preaching Network2024-03-29T00:47:41Zhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/forum/topics/whose-image-is-in-your-mind?commentId=916966%3AComment%3A5860093&feed=yes&xn_auth=noWho's Image is in your mind:…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2015-02-25:916966:Comment:58611692015-02-25T19:32:56.489ZDeacon Ron Grayhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/DeaconRonGray
<p>Who's Image is in your mind: Is "Christianity a White Man's Religion?"</p>
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<p>Are we failing to reach our youth with the "GOOD NEWS of who we are?" </p>
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<p>As Black History continues. </p>
<p>Who's Image is in your mind: Is "Christianity a White Man's Religion?"</p>
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<p>Are we failing to reach our youth with the "GOOD NEWS of who we are?" </p>
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<p>As Black History continues. </p> Sister Johnson,
You have br…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2015-02-24:916966:Comment:58607692015-02-24T23:17:52.510ZDeacon Ron Grayhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/DeaconRonGray
<p>Sister Johnson,</p>
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<p>You have brought to the floor a great point. Now if we can remember back to when we was on the journey in taking our first steps towards the Most High, we probably asked ourselves this question: “Is this all that I am, is there anything greater than ourselves?” So, we stopped and put down what we was doing. We stopped going to those places where we thought that we was having the most fun, living for the weekend. We dropped some of our friends who was not in…</p>
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<p>You have brought to the floor a great point. Now if we can remember back to when we was on the journey in taking our first steps towards the Most High, we probably asked ourselves this question: “Is this all that I am, is there anything greater than ourselves?” So, we stopped and put down what we was doing. We stopped going to those places where we thought that we was having the most fun, living for the weekend. We dropped some of our friends who was not in search of and took the moment to think about how good the Lord was to us. Well, these are the children both young and old are what we as elders in the word of God are searching for.</p>
<p>And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. Romans 8:27</p>
<p> Also, as we took a few more steps, we started looking for saints that could interpret these words out of love for us until we could understand The Words of God for ourselves.. </p>
<p>It is our mandate to TEACH the word of God, to teach the good news.</p>
<p> 5 These twelve Jesus sent out after instructing them: “Do not go in the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter any city of the Samaritans; 6 but rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’</p>
<p>Now, we as a people must understand who the Hebrew Israelite are. We must TEACH our children who the Gentile are because we a elders must dispel the myth of Christianity is a white man’s religion, as Black History Month continues.</p>
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<p></p> I think before we as a people…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2015-02-23:916966:Comment:58603142015-02-23T11:53:08.567ZCynthia D. Johnsonhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/CynthiaDJohnson
<p>I think before we as a people of God begin to throw scriptures at our youth, we need to be human first and find out who they are. The word of God state, in 1 Corinthians 2:11 <span>For who knows a person's thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.</span></p>
<p>In other words, how can a person know scripture except the Holy Spirit reveals revelation unto them.</p>
<p>The word also says, owe no man anything but…</p>
<p>I think before we as a people of God begin to throw scriptures at our youth, we need to be human first and find out who they are. The word of God state, in 1 Corinthians 2:11 <span>For who knows a person's thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.</span></p>
<p>In other words, how can a person know scripture except the Holy Spirit reveals revelation unto them.</p>
<p>The word also says, owe no man anything but love. I believe when we open up as a people who love them, show them love and who believes in them as a people, their hearts will open up and the Lord will open a door to minister to them.</p>
<p>When we throw scriptures at them, it's not the love of God but religion. And God is not in religion.</p>
<p>Just my thoughts.</p> I 'am sorry for the long dela…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2015-02-22:916966:Comment:58600932015-02-22T23:38:06.877ZDeacon Ron Grayhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/DeaconRonGray
<p>I 'am sorry for the long delay but Yes, Brother Gill that link is very, very strong. </p>
<p><font face="Calibri">According to both the Holy Bible and The Holy Quran, shows how the three prophets are directly descended from the two sons of Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac. Muhammad is a descendant of the eldest son, Ishmael. Moses and Jesus descended from Isaac. Abraham established a settlement, which today is the city of Makkah and built the Ka'abah towards which all Muslims turn when they…</font></p>
<p>I 'am sorry for the long delay but Yes, Brother Gill that link is very, very strong. </p>
<p><font face="Calibri">According to both the Holy Bible and The Holy Quran, shows how the three prophets are directly descended from the two sons of Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac. Muhammad is a descendant of the eldest son, Ishmael. Moses and Jesus descended from Isaac. Abraham established a settlement, which today is the city of Makkah and built the Ka'abah towards which all Muslims turn when they pray.</font></p>
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<p><font face="Calibri">In my research of the Islamic religion, I find further evidence that your deductions are justified in The Holy Quran:</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri">Say: We believe in God, and in that which has been sent <br/>down on us, and that sent down on Abraham, Ishmael, <br/>Isaac, Jacob, and their descendants, and that which was <br/>given to Moses and Jesus, and was given to all the prophets, <br/>from their Lord; we make no distinction between any of <br/>them; and we surrender ourselves to God alone. <br/>(Qur'an 2:136)</font></p>
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<p><font face="Calibri">So, far I have don't found anyone of my younger Brothers that support the claim that Christianity is a white mans religion but yet I here the claim, all over. </font></p>
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<p></p> Excellent points, Deacon. I w…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2013-12-30:916966:Comment:57894762013-12-30T11:01:56.698ZJoseph Gillhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/JosephGill
<p>Excellent points, Deacon. I would also point to the implicit physical similarities of the Israelites and the Egyptians to explain why a shaved Joseph could easily pass as an Egyptian native (even his own brethren didn't discern that he was a Hebrew).</p>
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<p>And your observations about the wives of Joseph and Moses strike me as perfectly valid. It suddenly occurs to me that Ismael, father of the Arabs, could be considered a descendant of Ham (by way of his Egyptian mother) as much as…</p>
<p>Excellent points, Deacon. I would also point to the implicit physical similarities of the Israelites and the Egyptians to explain why a shaved Joseph could easily pass as an Egyptian native (even his own brethren didn't discern that he was a Hebrew).</p>
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<p>And your observations about the wives of Joseph and Moses strike me as perfectly valid. It suddenly occurs to me that Ismael, father of the Arabs, could be considered a descendant of Ham (by way of his Egyptian mother) as much as he is a descendant of Shem (by his father Abraham). These categories became quite fluid as the people groups intermixed and intermarried.</p> Agreed. I believe my goal was…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2013-12-28:916966:Comment:57890192013-12-28T01:33:41.274ZDeacon Ron Grayhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/DeaconRonGray
<p><font face="Calibri">Agreed. I believe my goal was to point out that, if anyone still hold to the one drop of black blood standard then you are black then the main characters is not the people depicted in Cecil B Deville’s version of the Ten Commandments and other Hollywood films, TV, and pictures. When I was growing up and the all throughout my Christian walk, that all I saw was those Images. Now the truth is being slowly revealed that Joseph was given the Pharaoh’s daughter an Egyptian…</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri">Agreed. I believe my goal was to point out that, if anyone still hold to the one drop of black blood standard then you are black then the main characters is not the people depicted in Cecil B Deville’s version of the Ten Commandments and other Hollywood films, TV, and pictures. When I was growing up and the all throughout my Christian walk, that all I saw was those Images. Now the truth is being slowly revealed that Joseph was given the Pharaoh’s daughter an Egyptian for a wife, and after Jacob died, Joseph returned back to Egypt with about seventy souls. Which open The Book of Exodus where the new Pharaoh sister fished baby Moses out of the river and the only thing that distinguished him from Hebrews slave was the colors he was rap in as a baby. Moses had a black wife from the sheep herder when God made away for him to free Gods people. There are more evidence of people of color that played important roles in Christianity both the Old Testament and the new. </font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri">I will agree with you, Christianity is not just a white man’s religion nor an all-black man’s religion neither. With that said our children are seeking the truth so, they won't grow up to believe the myth that Christianity is a white man’s religion and they we are part of The Greatest Story Ever Told .</font></p>
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<p></p> Deacon Gray,
If your point w…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2013-12-27:916966:Comment:57890792013-12-27T11:50:31.352ZJoseph Gillhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/JosephGill
<p>Deacon Gray,</p>
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<p>If your point was that the indigenous races of the Middle East were descendants of Ham, then I wholly agree. But, of course, these sons of Canaan were in no way the forebearers of the Yahwistic faith. These people were not the "Israelites" (who were named after Jacob, renamed "Israel" in Genesis 32:28, a descendant of Shem). Descendants of Shem supplanted the descendants of Ham in the so-called "promised land." God indicated it was a judgment against these…</p>
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<p>If your point was that the indigenous races of the Middle East were descendants of Ham, then I wholly agree. But, of course, these sons of Canaan were in no way the forebearers of the Yahwistic faith. These people were not the "Israelites" (who were named after Jacob, renamed "Israel" in Genesis 32:28, a descendant of Shem). Descendants of Shem supplanted the descendants of Ham in the so-called "promised land." God indicated it was a judgment against these Hittites, Jebusites, Amorites, Girgashites, Hivites, etc. ("<em>And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself <span class="criteria">vomiteth</span></em><span><em> out her inhabitants</em>," Lev. 18:25). </span></p>
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<p><span>Yes, Christianity--derived as it was of the Yawhistic tradition--did not have its origin with the descendants of Japheth, the progenitor of the modern Europeans. If origin is <em>decisive</em>, we should not call Christianity a "white" religion. </span></p>
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<p><span>However, we cannot credit the descendants of Ham with the tradition either: in fact, many Hamitic races were enemies of the early Yawhists. Again, if origin is decisive, we should not call Christianity a "black" religion either.</span></p>
<p></p> Greetings Brother Joseph Gill…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2013-12-27:916966:Comment:57889432013-12-27T01:03:45.482ZDeacon Ron Grayhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/DeaconRonGray
<p>Greetings Brother Joseph Gill,</p>
<p>Thank you for your reply. I just want to highlight for a moment to the 6 verse of the Book of Genesis Chapter 10 <sup> j</sup></p>
<p><b><sup>6 </sup></b><b><font size="3">And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.</font></b></p>
<p><font size="3">Let’s take a look at Wikipedia as one resource and it reads: …</font><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaan_(Bible)"></a></p>
<p>Greetings Brother Joseph Gill,</p>
<p>Thank you for your reply. I just want to highlight for a moment to the 6 verse of the Book of Genesis Chapter 10 <sup> j</sup></p>
<p><b><sup>6 </sup></b><b><font size="3">And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.</font></b></p>
<p><font size="3">Let’s take a look at Wikipedia as one resource and it reads: </font><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaan_(Bible)"><font color="#0000FF" size="3">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaan_(Bible)</font></a></p>
<p><font size="3">According to the</font> <a title="Table of Nations" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_Nations"><font color="#0000FF" size="3">Table of Nations</font></a> <font size="3">in Genesis 10 (verses 15-19), Canaan was the ancestor of the tribes who originally occupied the ancient</font> <a title="Land of Canaan" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_Canaan"><font color="#0000FF" size="3">Land of Canaan</font></a><font size="3">: all the territory from</font> <a title="Sidon" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidon#The_Biblical_Sidon"><font color="#0000FF" size="3">Sidon</font></a> <font size="3">or</font> <a title="Hama" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hama#Hama_in_the_Bible"><font color="#0000FF" size="3">Hamath</font></a> <font size="3">in the north to</font> <a title="Gaza" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza"><font color="#0000FF" size="3">Gaza</font></a> <font size="3">in the southwest and</font> <a title="Lasha" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lasha"><font color="#0000FF" size="3">Lasha</font></a> <font size="3">in the southeast. This territory is roughly the areas of modern day</font> <a title="Israel" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel"><font color="#0000FF" size="3">Israel</font></a><font size="3">, the</font> <a title="Palestine" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine"><font color="#0000FF" size="3">Palestinian Territories</font></a><font size="3">,</font> <a title="Lebanon" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon"><font color="#0000FF" size="3">Lebanon</font></a><font size="3">, western</font> <a title="Jordan" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan"><font color="#0000FF" size="3">Jordan</font></a><font size="3">, and western</font> <a title="Syria" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria"><font color="#0000FF" size="3">Syria</font></a><font size="3">. Canaan's firstborn son was Sidon, who shares his name with the</font> <a title="Phoenicia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenicia"><font color="#0000FF" size="3">Phoenician</font></a> <font size="3">city of Sidon in present-day Lebanon.</font><sup><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaan_(Bible)#cite_note-1"><font color="#0000FF" size="2">[1]</font></a></sup> <font size="3">His second son was</font> <a title="Biblical Hittites" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Hittites"><font color="#0000FF" size="3">Heth</font></a><font size="3">. Canaan's descendants, according to the Hebrew Bible, include:</font></p>
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<li><a title="Sidon" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidon"><font color="#0000FF">Sidonians</font></a>, i.e. the <a title="Phoenicia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenicia"><font color="#0000FF">Phoenicians</font></a><sup><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaan_(Bible)#cite_note-2"><font color="#0000FF">[2]</font></a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaan_(Bible)#cite_note-3"><font color="#0000FF">[3]</font></a></sup></li>
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<li><a title="Biblical Hittites" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Hittites"><font color="#0000FF">Hittites</font></a>, <i>children of Heth</i></li>
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<li><a title="Jebusite" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jebusite"><font color="#0000FF">Jebusites</font></a></li>
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<li><a title="Amorite" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amorite"><font color="#0000FF">Amorites</font></a></li>
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<li><a title="Girgashite" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girgashite"><font color="#0000FF">Girgashites</font></a></li>
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<li><a title="Hivite" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hivite"><font color="#0000FF">Hivites</font></a></li>
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<li><a title="Arkite" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkite"><font color="#0000FF">Arkites</font></a></li>
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<li><a title="List of minor biblical tribes" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minor_biblical_tribes#Sinites"><font color="#0000FF">Sinites</font></a></li>
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<li><a title="Arvadite" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arvadite"><font color="#0000FF">Arvadites</font></a></li>
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<li><a title="Zemarite" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zemarite"><font color="#0000FF">Zemarites</font></a></li>
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<li><a title="Hamathite" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamathite"><font color="#0000FF">Hamathites</font></a></li>
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<p><font size="3">According to traditional</font> <a title="Ethiopia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopia"><font color="#0000FF" size="3">Ethiopian</font></a> <font size="3">histories, Canaan's son Arwadi (lit. "the Arvadite") and his wife Entela crossed from Asia into Ethiopia in 2101 BC, and the</font> <a title="Qemant" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qemant"><font color="#0000FF" size="3">Qemant</font></a> <font size="3">tribe were said to be descended from their son, <i>Anayer</i>. There is further an Ethiopian tradition that two other Canaanite tribes, viz. the Sinites and Zemarites, also entered Ethiopia at the time it was ruled by the</font> <a title="Kingdom of Kush" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Kush"><font color="#0000FF" size="3">Kingdom of Kush</font></a><font size="3">, and became the</font> <a title="Shanqella" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanqella"><font color="#0000FF" size="3">Shanqella</font></a> <font size="3">and</font> <a title="Weyto people" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weyto_people"><font color="#0000FF" size="3">Weyto peoples</font></a><font size="3">, respectively.</font><sup><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaan_(Bible)#cite_note-4"><font color="#0000FF" size="2">[4]</font></a></sup></p>
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<p><strong><font face="Calibri">Now when it comes to Abram I like to lift 31 of The Book of Genesis Chapter 11</font></strong></p>
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<p><font color="#0000FF" size="2"><span class="versetext" id="ge11-31" style="display: inline;"><span class="versenum">31</span> And <span class="strongs">Terah</span> <span class="strongs">took</span> <span class="strongs">Abram</span> his <span class="strongs">son,</span> and <span class="strongs">Lot</span> the <span class="strongs">son</span> of <span class="strongs">Haran</span> his <span class="strongs">son's</span> <span class="strongs">son,</span> and <span class="strongs">Sarai</span> his daughter in <span class="strongs">law,</span> his <span class="strongs">son</span> <span class="strongs">Abram's</span> <span class="strongs">wife;</span> and they went <span class="strongs">forth</span> with them from <span class="strongs">Ur</span> of the <span class="strongs">Chaldees,</span> to <span class="strongs">go</span> into the <span class="strongs">land</span> of <span class="strongs">Canaan;</span> and they <span class="strongs">came</span> unto <span class="strongs">Haran,</span> and <span class="strongs">dwelt</span> there.</span> <span class="versetext" id="ge11-32" style="display: inline;"><span class="versenum">32</span> And the <span class="strongs">days</span> of <span class="strongs">Terah</span> were two <span class="strongs">hundred</span> <span class="strongs">and</span> <span class="strongs">five</span> <span class="strongs">years:</span> and <span class="strongs">Terah</span> <span class="strongs">died</span> in <span class="strongs">Haran.</span> </span></font></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 107%; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 10.5pt;">Abram moved to Canaan and was not a native of a country that was already settled by Ham’s descendants. Far as Japheth and his children, they were</span></span> <span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 107%; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 10.5pt;">maritime people, people of the sea who dwelled in areas like Germany and in Eastern Europe which out of the way in which the people and Bible refers to, the Ashkenaz comes to mind.</span></span></p>
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<p></p> Deacon Gray,
"Black" and "Wh…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2013-12-26:916966:Comment:57887582013-12-26T11:24:22.254ZJoseph Gillhttp://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/JosephGill
<p>Deacon Gray,</p>
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<p>"Black" and "White" are fairly modern cultural conceits. I don't know if it makes much sense talking about how the Israelites were "Black" or "White"... or if we can even talk of the biblical Egyptians in those terms. However, I think there is every reason to believe that the people of the Middle East were always of a dark, swarthy coloration. For instance, when ancient Greek artists graphically portrayed the Egyptians, they did so as dark-skinned…</p>
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<p>"Black" and "White" are fairly modern cultural conceits. I don't know if it makes much sense talking about how the Israelites were "Black" or "White"... or if we can even talk of the biblical Egyptians in those terms. However, I think there is every reason to believe that the people of the Middle East were always of a dark, swarthy coloration. For instance, when ancient Greek artists graphically portrayed the Egyptians, they did so as dark-skinned people. </p>
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<p>But I am a little perplexed by one part of your argument: you seem to identify the Israelites as Ham's progeny. Genesis 11 clearly indicates that Abram/Abraham is of the lineage of Shem, not Ham. If the Caucasian descendants of Japheth cannot claim the Israelites, neither can we African descendants of Ham. </p>