Would You As Pastor allow Homosexuals To Frolic In Your Church?

Vermont has just okayed what they call "same sex mariages". It is very sad that we humans who are supposed to be the most intelligent creatures on earth, dont even understand or appreciate the sacred purpose of marriage. The reason why God instituted marriage is for reproduction, plus nothing, minus nothing. The sole reason why we are created male and female, or exibit some form of sexuality is to reproduce. If we didnt have to reproduce after our kind, we wont have any devices for sex. Angels dont reproduce and as such are sexless beings. Everything else God put on earth comes in pairs of male and female. Even birds know this. Have you ever gone bird-watching and seen two male birds weaving a nest and trying to raise a family?
You dont have to be a rocket scientist in order to understand that another man's behind was neither designed by God nor evolution for sex. The anus is not a sexul organ, period. So that if you want to use a body feature designed to accomplish one task for a completely senseless one then there is something wrong with your perception. You are like the man who sees a deer and calls it an elephant. Something is wrong upstairs!! What is the purpose of a so called same sex marriage. Sexual pleasure so they speak. But pleasure is not the purpose for sex.The pleasure part is secondary. God made sex pleasurable, why? Because if it had felt like surgery, you would have to hold a gun to your partner's head to have children. Homosexuals have taken the "purpose" out and are going gang-ho after the "pleasure".WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT PLEASURE-SEEKING IN THE LAST DAYS?
As A pastor the only way I would allow a homosexual in my congregation if they understand that homosexuality, just all other deviations , is wrong and they came to church to seek help like all of us do. But if a homosexual shows up in church all cocky and full of gay pride and trying to peddle his ware in the church, I will chase him out with a baseball bat!!! lol!
You just said "wow, he hates homosexuals!", right? Wrong. As a pastor you cant hate anybody because of their sin.It will be like a Doctor hating a patient because the latter has a form of cancer the Doctor dreads.But if the patient tells the Doc, "Leave my cancer a lone. I was born with it, and I am proud of it." Well, then get out of the hospital! I dont hate homosexuals, I hate homosexuality. You dont hate the sinner, you hate the sin. You have to hate the sin enough to be able to help the sinner. On the other hand if you love the sin, you yourself might just get caught up in it.I consider it a disgrace to the human race that we allow behavior that even some animals shy away from.

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I want to advice all new comers to this site to visit my previous postings before you start posting material that is obsolete. We have debunked this notion that sin is isn so all sinners have the right to sin. Obviously my brother Elder over here is still living in the dark ages where he hasnt heard that we are not elevating one sin over the other. But that we are simply condeming the resurgence of homosexuality in the modern community. Yes there are other sins going on with impunity, mr Elder right here, due to  spiritual myopia, cant see, the work of Ibliss, the devil in trying to impose on society an abomination as prescribed in the Word. Mr Elder over here is a disgrace to his church and should be sacked. Thank you.

Sin is sin so it doesnt matter if the world endorses homosexual marriage. Ok Mr Elder, thank you for your deep insight about SIN.Here we go: murder is sin so it doesnt matter if the government gives licences for murder, robbery is sin so since sin is sin, it doesnt matter if the government  or Congress legalises robberry, see?  I could go on and on and on. The reason your view is so screrwed up is because you dont have the Holy Ghost, God's mark of ownersip for every beliver. You are none of His. So you are stupid and confused.  Please seek the Lord in truth and repent of your worldily stupidiy and be saved.

Bro. Wuhraizer...good information, but delivery is not.  I hope you are not claiming to have the Holy Ghost speaking or teaching through you by calling someone screwed up, stupid and confused.  You must teach in love and that type of talk is not loving.  Imagine you said something to someone that didn't seem right to them and they called you those name.  The Holy Ghost is a teacher and teaches with love, loving strokes, loving admonishings, calmness, gentleness, temperant, kindness, humble, softness...that is why it is unrecognizible to most, because they are not use to gentleness. 


So your point is very true, but your deliver is not a true representation of being filled with the Holy Ghost.  Delivery of this sort is why so many do not even want to hear anyone share the Word of God.


In Love, Sister Denise

Bro. Denny....I truly understand your point along with the others.  Ez:44:7 In that ye have brought into my sanctuary strangers, uncircumcised in heart, and uncircumcised in flesh, to be in my sanctuary, to pollute it, even my house, when ye offer my bread, the fat and the blood, and they have broken my covenant because of all your abominations.  God addressed these issues as a whole.  Paul was being OBEDIENT to the Word of God and was admonishing others to obey, just as the saint today do.  The true saints and followers of Christ.  But see the difference with homosexuality is that is has become LAW in the WORLD and although sin is sin, the others can be told to get out of the church and/or they can just hide amongst the parishners, blend in sort of say and their sin is hidden or so they think, because NOTHING is hid from God.  But homosexuality has become law in the land and if you tell them to leave they can bring lawsuits.  They can demand to be married in the church etc.  They can walk with the shoulders up, heads high and chest stuck out, because the law will protect them.  But it is not legal for the thief, adulter, lier, fornicator etc, and they still hide in shame because of their sin...it is not a good thing, but homosexuality is made to look like it is a good thing and normal, this is the rejection that is trying to be explained.  But see God WILL be done in earth as it is in heaven.  God speak of ALL the obminations and not just SOME.  Pay close attention to what the last sentence say...ALL your obiminations.  So, it is not just homosexuality that is chosen when it comes to obminations, all will be dealth with in the time of judgement, but as we live here on earth, we cannot just sit back and continue to allow the principalities of the earth bring about such disrepsect to the church ... meaning bringing the WORLDS way of doing things into the church which affects the body as a whole, because reprobate minds are kindled from such spirits.  When the Bible clearly tells those that love the Lord and who are His have the POWER to rebuke such wickedness.  Even rebuking fornicators, adulterers, thieves etc. we have the authority to rebuke and do so with the same rejections, but it needs to be done by those who believe and trust in God.


In Love Sister Denise

So are you insinuating that I rebuked homosexual marriages because i do not believe and trust in the Lord? Compromising with evil is not believing and trusting in the Lord. Infact, compromising is the reason the Church today is so ineffective and  and unglorious in most communities. Ignorant preachers dont understang this. They are still living in the satyanic bubble of preaching love: any demon poseesed show up in church: love, homosexual shows up to pollute the place: love, why? Because the Pastopr himself or herself is blind and useless.

Bro. Wuhraizer:  No I am not insinuating that.  But you MUST have love in order to want to save souls.  You have homosexuals that would love to be converted and nobody has given them the opportunity to hear the Gospel, which is the TRUTH.  You would minister to homosexuals the same as you would any other sinner,  but you cannot call them useless, stupid and other degrading names.  You as an black man should know better.  People are still human no matter their sin...it rains on the JUST as well as the UNJUST.  God loves them as well as He loves you and me, God HATES sin and wish that NONE perish.  Compromising NO, we should not compromise because we have respect of persons, but rightly divide the TRUTH no matter who it hits.  And you my brother fail miserably when it comes to ministering to others and we ALL are suppose to be disciples.  How can you minister to people with such disrepect and insulting words that you tend to call people.  If you are a true follower of Christ then you should know that you ought to LOVE your brother as you LOVE yourself, and I would hate to think that you feel that kind of way about yourself.  You must be able to have empathy and without it, you can help NO ONE including yourself.  You CANNOT belittle someone to make yourself feel better....we ALL must be HUMBLE.


In Love Sister Denise

Thank you Sister lover woman! I have heard all that talk abouty love, love , love and what it do spill over to the wrong kind of love. I dont blame you for not understanding me. You were probably born and raised in the environment where "love" has exchanged a place with a lot of other human emotions like "compromise" tolerate, accommodate " sanctimony! You are  probably used to hearing the "Glory be to God Sister God loves you just the same" It dont matter how you live , He still loves yopu." Just keep paying your tithes, you are alright, I am alright, everyone is alright" See therefore I am not amazed about how you feel about me. Bible says let every man be persuaded in their mind. So let the Lord who calls judge which delivery is right. Love YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bro. Wuhraizer, I am smiling because you sound alarmed and angry about something.  I feel your pain,but can't identify with it.  You sound like you want to warn me about something, but it is being clouded by anger.  No, I didn't come up in an environment where "love" has exchanged a place with a lot of other human emotions like "compromise" tolerate, accommodation.  I actually had to learn how to LOVE, how to have empathy and know how to get my point across without being militant minded, which I was at one point in my life.  I even had a spirit of bigotry, because of past hurts.  But Glory to be to God FOR REAL...I studied the Word of God.  Asked myself some questions and wanted to really live HOLY and God had to show me I had to have a MIND like Christ in order to live according to the Word of God.  See my brother there is nothing biblical about this writing.  Now let me show you how God say respond to one like yourself.  John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.    John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.    Luke 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.

Matthew 7:1-5  Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Just remember...the same measure that you judge someone else will be the same measure dealt to you.  As I said before, it rains on the just as well as the unjust.  You do not get better rain or sunshine than the rest.  So I say this to say....your disrespectful words don't mean a hill of beans, but Matthew 4:4 say Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God and God has the last say on ALL HIS CREATION.


In Love Sister Denise, AND I REALLY DO MEAN LOVE~~~

We are more likely to misinterpret the word "love" if we live in the western world. In the western world love takes on the interpretation from Holliwood. This is why many well-meaning preachers interpret scripture by Holliwood's ideas. For instance, when the bible talks about David and Jonathan kissing_ many preachers that I used to think were spirit-filled interpret it to mean homsexuality between David and Jonathan. I had to go to the extreme of my own insanity to make them wake up to reality: kissing in middle eastern culture has nothing to do with sex. It is a greeting. An arab man who has 4 wives may kiss his son, brother, friend or an august male stranger, but will never kiss any of his wives even when making love to them. Westerners turn to interpret the scriptures using western ideas forgetting that the Bible was not written in Holliwood. this is the biggest problem we have today in the western church. Homosexuality is a western phenonmenon and has been so since the Greek civilization. No wonder the Episcopal Church believes homosexuality is devine. Are they pious and sanctimonous preachers? Sure!! Have you heard Gene Robinson speak? He sounds like he has just descending from the mountain with a face to face encounter with God or has just come out of the Holy of Holies. Hahaha! (I know  where he has just come from: aint nothing holy about the place). So if we go by your definition as to who is filled with the Holy Ghost, there will be a long list of odd fellows based on just one thing- they speak sanctimonously and appear very pious. This list will include: the Pope, Gene Robinson, and even Osama Bin laden. Because Osama knows how to speak with an air of piety. Sometimes he borrows christian jargon to inspire his followers. I urge my fellow christians to aim at fulfulling godly rather than social roles.

Calling a spade a spade is not judging. Any man or woman of God who cannot stand up and define biblical principles as defined in the Word is usless and should give up. You are simply not called. Dont forget that there are so many so-called preachers who have no calling. They went into ministry because they thought it will lead to an easy way of life taking tithes and offerings from the gullibel. God will not judge me for standing for what is right. He will judge hypocrites and just try not to be one.

Bro. Wuhraizer, I think I know what is happening here.  You tend to go off on your own teachings and want people to listen, understand and follow.  But nothing you have just written is biblical, it is your opinion and comments about the WORLD.  But God has given us the tools in which to live by and not conform to the world.  Sure the world has misinterpreted what LOVE is, because the world new it not according to scripture.  But when you study Gods word, you know what it is.  God EXPLAINS it...Galatians 5:3  For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 4Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. 5For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.  6For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. 7Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth? 8This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.  9A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. 10I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be. 11And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.  12I would they were even cut off which trouble you. 13For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. 14For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt LOVE thy neighbour as thyself. 15But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. 16This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,  20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,  21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.  22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.  26Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

Please pay attention to my underlines-especially STRIFE, because I don't want you to continue to fall into these traps.  If we have the spirit of the Lord, then we must act accordingly.  You will see the fruit of His spirit, which begins at 22.  Remember, God see ALL, He is a rewarder.  Now when we judge, if it is according to the Word of God we step back and allow Gods Word to do what it say.  We are to use the Weapon of Spiritual warfare which is the Word of God and you don't use scripture-you use your interpretation of the scriptures, thus creating strife, division and caios, which brings about SEDITION.


I pray for a renewed spirit within you and all of US.


In Love Sister Denise

Hahaha! STRIFE and HATE! I understand where you are coming from. I agree with you on the social level because appearances can be deceptive. But you are taking scripture out of context.  I have no strife against anyone of my fellow believers!! I dont hate any person created in the image of God!!!! All what you just listed are related to the championing of individual contesst against others, not about the dividing of the Word of Truth. Whatever I have stood for is about letting the greater majority of God's people know the truth. The Lord knows I have never said one word in hatred. Anger? Yes (sorry and i apologize, but not hate nor strife). I apologize to those who feel offended by my occassional outbursts: these does not include homosexual preachers nor prosperity preachers. you were wrong from the time i said so and you are still wrong.. I am taking off for a long while. Coming back to read this stuff over and over again is depressing. I will move on to develope my website and teach and preach about other topics. Thnaks everyone. just dont forget that preaching or teaching is first and foremost about helping each other to make run before the throne room of the Lord.


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