I finally understand that gay people are in total denial of the mental problem they have. Almost all creatures on the planet work together in a biosphere cycle of population with a male and female union. All major human cultures agree that people who are gay have a problem. The major religions say that acting on gay impulses is immoral. This means male and male, or female and female relations is un-natural, un-acceptable and first and foremost, ungodly. This is fact and a fact that cannot be debated against by logical human beings. Humans who claim attraction to the same sex deny having a mental health disorder. They are pushing for others to agree to their un-natural state of mind. Their problem is like dyslexia and autism, and the majority of them are born this way. Unlike eating, mood, anxiety or personality disorders which are learned behaviors. People with the mental disorder we know as being gay, need to recognize that their feelings are un-natural and that they need to seek spiritual & medical assistance. People who are not gay need to remind those who are, that we love them, but they need to seek spiritual & medical assistance for un-natural thoughts. Throughout the Bible, this type of mentality and behavior is looked at as a sin, but no different from lust, greed, idolatry, adultery or hatred. We should learn from Jesus and extend a hand of love and compassion for people who are gay, because they do need Him and medical attention. They are still children of God, just confused on their mental state of mind. It's no different from a person who is color blind telling everyone that what they see is normal to them, so we have to embrace their reasoning as human normality out of respect. No... they need to follow God's word like everyone else.

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I agree with you on some points. I have a few gay friends as well as family members. I accept them as they are however, I don't believe they were born that way. For instance, I have a friend that was abused early in life and I think that confused her. Another friend, I believe, is reaching out for the love of a woman because of some issues with her own mother. Sometimes, people are just a product of their circumstances and life experiences. All we can do as Christians is show them love and pray for them to be delivered. I have ministered to a few of them and let them know what the word of God says about same sex love. That is the ultimate way we can show someone that we believe in what God says, but we can't get upset if they don't feel the same way. It's a tough subject to tackle, but we can do all things through Christ which strengthens us!!
You are right, there are multiple reasons people are gay. Some are socially learned behaviors, some forced and others born. But realistically, a normal man who is raped by another man, will not turn gay. Nor will he experiment with the opposite sex. The same is with females. My cousin was born hating men, for when a male picked her up as a baby, she would throw up on them. Of course now she is a lesbian. People who are born gay, is because of "crossed wires" somewhere in there mental or genetic structure. A defect if you will. It doesn't make the person bad, just a mental abnormality that needs to be addressed spiritually and medically.
I said nothing about Homosexuality. As a matter of fact, my analysis had nothing to do with sexuality, but thoughts that are in a person's mind, who feel an attraction to the same gender. What I want people to understand is to look at WHY a person does something, instead of looking at WHAT they are doing. On your comment about sinners, there are no humans walking this earth, Christian or non-Christian who are Sanctified and without sin... holy. Only Jesus was this way, and we will only be that way when we are in heaven. Now on the issue of tolerating sin... Jesus lived a life of tolerating sinners. We are to tolerate them, because we are sinners as well. We can not judge another person on their actions, only ourselves. Sinners are not trying to change the word of God, Lucifer is deceiving people into doing wrong. We are not born to disobey God on purpose, we are tricked into disobeying our Father. We are all forgiven of our sins, when we accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior, repent our ways and serve the Lord. I ask you my brother.... do you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior? Is He first in your life, for dying on the cross so you can have eternal life with God?
Beautiful. Even though the names you use are outside of my knowledge, many things you say, equate to my faith. I think I understand your substitution for names, and I respect that. I felt that the holy spirit has been telling me to say Abba Father instead of God. I think it is more respectful since the name God is Holy. And I am not worthy nor Holy to address Him in that manner. Many prayers and blessings to you Mufasa, and may Abba Father surround you and your family with a hedge of protection, and give you more and more wisdom, knowledge and blessings to glorify His name.
I believe;I understand what you are trying to say. however some points are right; and some are not right. They wasn't born that way. God is far far too fair and just of a God. He would not make gay people then tell them they don't have a right to be that way; It is something wrong with them your right about that. They want to call there wrong RIGHT. It not I don't care how much of the word you know or try to live if you call your wrong; RIGHT; hell shall be your portion. I know that sin is sin; however God wants us to know when we are living in sin and change. If we don't; His heart hurt. See some people are impressed when God use them. That nothing. God use a donkey. He will use whatever and whoever to get his point across. In if your life is not right shame on you..

So yes this is a mind thing; We as saints have to have the mind and love of Christ. Giving no excused for our sin. I think a lot of time we speak things into the atmosphere and want to be right about what we say (because the power of life in death is in our tongue.). Now you told a story about your cousin not liking me from a child. I am going to tell you. I have 5 girls; as a babies; I can tell you they all had different personalities. However who they liked; and didn't depended on the child.Had nothing to do with there sexual preference. I will give you another example; one of my children love vegetables; Do you think that mean she's going to be a Vegetarian. Nope I knew that she needed meat for protein. I gave her meat. even when she would spit it all over the high chair and floor. Now that she older she has been train to eat meat. What I am saying. I could have listen to everyone saying; that she only going to eat veggie. People speak death sometime in a joke; and sometime we agree. (The power of agreement is a whole different rim.) That is what the devil wants; us to agree with what he says about our life. I know that the veggie thing is such a difference; however what I am trying to get you to see; that its in our mouth.

See the devil has the power of temptation;(that mean to mess with our mind.) However God has give us power and Authority in our tongue. What we say shall come to pass. IN IT SO You speak life IN IT IS SO; You speak death; IN IT IS SO: So could the behavior that you cousin displayed be cause of people speaking this in her life? Do you think somewhere along the line she heard; what people said she would be and acted on it? That what I believe; cause God don't play games like that with us; I know he loves us to much. In his word he say's I wish that no would Parrish. So why would he make Gay people.Then tell them they are wrong. Don't make scene; that just unfair.
Be Blessed by Brother and good topic.
I see your point but you have forgotten many lessons that show God recieving glory through people born with afflictions. When Jesus healed the blind man who was born blind. Or Mary Magdeline being possessed by demons or the man who was crippled since birth and Jesus healed him. These people didn't ask for these things to happen to them, but God gave them this lot in life as a way to glorify him, by saving others with their testimony. The Bible is riddled with many different scriptures about this. Being gay is a sickness no different from mental retardation, deformities or sickle cell anemia. God places people in these situations or allows these things to happen, to save more and more of his children from that deciever, that dragon we call Lucifer. Yet what we do when we are put into situations is what God is looking at. Are we going to be faithful to him and praise him when things are going wrong or hard. Are we going to turn our back on him, or are we going to thank him regardless, which gives us strength. Who knows what the plan is on these things. We can not fathom on WHY God does what he does, we can only put faith that He is right in everything he does. And its usually for a reason we can not possibly comprehend, and never will understand. Because God is God, and his plan is greater than anything we can try to figure out. Thats where Faith falls into place.
NO my brother being gay is a choice. Just like being a virgin. That why it was a miracle for Mary and that why Joseph was going to leave her and an angle stepped in. What I am trying to say is we teach our children not to have sex before marriage. If they do its nothing wrong with them; it is just disobedience. Sorry it took so long for me to get back with you. My grandfather died and I just taking sometime to get my mind right.
I am sorry for your lose, but do not be selfish about your grandfather passing, for he is in heaven with our Father, so you should actually be rejoicing that he is sanctified with God for eternity. I know you remember when you where young and certain girls were called "Tom-Boy's" or boys were called "Sissy's." Remember I said young, and at that age they do not know what gay or lesbianism is... they just know they act in that manner because they are that way. Most Tomboys end up being gay women and most sissys end up being gay men let them show it to the public or not. Point is, is that they were born with this un-natural way of thinking and they have been this way since birth. HYPOTHETICALLY speaking, even if I or another woman are repeatedly raped in prison, I will not become gay, nor will a real woman become a gay. You can not act out something that was not already entertained in your mind in the beginning. So when people say that a person was made gay because of a certain experience that occurred in their life, that is not possible. Acting out gayism is disobedience, but the thought process is usually an un-natural thought they have always had since they can remember.
Like I said someone could have spoken this into their lives; however born that way NEVER. God is not playing them type of games. I believe we have to watch what we say and then we won't have this kind of mess. Not only children; people do what is expected of them. You ever have a friend that cut a fool and it seem that the more you edge him on the more his go's. This is what he thinks is expected of him.

Oh and about my grandfather; My spirit man was rejoicing; however my flesh was greaving. He was a Good man and he has took care of me for as long as I can remember. Thanks for the word anyway.
Be Blessed my brother.

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