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Tithing-According The Bible Only Please

This group will explore Tithing according to the Bible not the commandments and doctrines of men and their Churches

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Comment by Cameron Ross on August 10, 2010 at 3:33am
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Comment by Anthony McCauley on August 3, 2010 at 9:12am
Sir,

With due respect, I need to pray much before going any further into this matter. Personally, I don't believe that an organization as respected and credible as the IMF would be seeking to contact people via a public forum. I'm originally British, and have been around the block a few times so to speak.

Anything.....(apart from God's grace and salvation)....that sounds too good to be true........usually isn't.

Look for someone else.



Thank you,
Comment by DAVID NELLOR on August 3, 2010 at 8:34am
LET US JOIN HANDS TO WORK FOR THE LORD.


MY NAME IS DAVID NELLOR,
I WORK WITH THE INTERNATIONAL MONETARY FUND.I.M.F,.

WE ARE CURRENTLY AUDITING THE FINANCIAL ACCOUNTS OF SOME SELECTED AFRICAN COUNTRIES.

DURING THE EXERCISE, WE HAVE DISCOVERED THERE ARE LOTS AND LOTS OF FOREIGN CONTRACTORS THAT EXECUTED CONTRACTS HERE IN SOME AFRICAN COUNTRIES,BUT DUE TO THE HIGH LEVEL OF CORRUPTION HERE IN AFRICA,SOME OF THESE CONTRACTORS COULD NOT RECEIVE THEIR CONTRACT PAYMENT FOR A LONG TIME NOW.

THIS IS BECAUSE SOME OF THEM HAVE DIED A LONG TIME AGO.

NOW I HAVE CONTACTED YOU BECAUSE THERE IS ONE OF THEM THAT CAME FROM YOUR COUNTRY AND HAS A SIMILLER NAME WITH YOU.

ALL EFFORTS THAT WE HAVE MADE TO GET IN TOUCH WITH THIS CONTRACTOR HAVE ALL FAILED,AND IT IS VERY CLEAR TO ALL OF US THAT WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET IN TOUCH WITH THIS CONTRACTOR MAY BE HE IS DEAD AND HE DID NOT NAME ANY OTHER BENEFICIARY AS HIS NEXT OF KIN.

ALL WE HAVE DECIDED TO DO NOW IS THAT,WE ARE LOOKING FOR HONEST MEN AND WOMEN OF GOD THAT WILL MAKE GOOD USE OF THESE FUNDS TO DO THE WORK FOR THE LORD

NOW I WILL WANT TO PRESENT YOUR NAME TO THE PAYMENT BUREAU SO THAT THE MONEY CAN BE PAID TO YOUR CHURCH AND THE MONEY CAN BE USED TO DO THE WORK OF THE LORD.

THIS IS THE ONLY MEANS THAT THIS FUND CAN BE UTILIZED.

IF YOU KNOW THAT YOU WILL BE VERY HONEST IN HANDLING THESE FUNDS PLEASE CONTACT ME FOR MORE DETAILS.

I HAVE CAREFULLY CHECKED YOUR RECORDS AND PROFILE AND DECIDED TO CONTACT YOU.

PLEASE GET BACK TO ME FOR MORE DETAILS

My direct email address is nellor_dd@yahoo.com

My direct phone number is +442071939091

THANKS

DAVID NELLOR

INTERNATIONAL MONETARY FUND REPRESENTATIVE
Comment by Dr. Frank Chase Jr on May 20, 2010 at 10:30pm
I resigned from tithing once I found out the truth of what the biblical tithng is. It's always food from inside Isreal. You can read my Resignation from Tithing Article by googling,
"How To Resign From Tithing."
Comment by Yehochanan Ben-Yisrael on June 29, 2009 at 12:54am
All of Bro. Mufasa's words were good. There is just thing I want to add that gets missing in the whole subjust. The point is the the practice of paying tithes strictly governed by the Holy Torah. It is not just a simple as giving 10%. The Bible sets many restrictions and conditions on tithes.

For instance, tithes are only to by paid on agricultural products--NEVER MONEY. These products can be TURNED TO MONEY. And there was money in the of "shekels" at that time so the concept of "money" was the same as it is today. The Torah is clear that tithe is not are for wage-workers. The rest the tithe is on agricultural produces is because God provided the seeds, land, sunlight and rain. So, most of the work was done by him.

Tithes are not to be used for the upkeep of any temple. The tithes are to be EATEN. The preists did not use the tithes to BUY ANYTHING. The tithes were also intented for the needy of the congregation. Also, the poor and those in debt did not pay tithes--THEY RECIEVE THEM.

Those who request tithes neglect to show their supporters ALL of the verses in the Bible concerning tithes because they will stumble on this knowledge. First, because they know that they will have to SHARE them EQUALLY with the poor in the congregation. If the poor knew their rights, they would be requesting their portion of the tithe each week instead of spending their light-bill for tithes. Second, it will scare away the wealthy in the congregaton because the tithes is not the only tax. The tithes is for "welfare" only. After the tithe, THEN you pay to support the building with the "shekel of the sanctuary". Each person pays the same amount. There are also tax on the first-born and many other taxes used to support the Temple.

SO, if we are going to do it by the Book. Let's do it by the WHOLE BOOK! For those of us who study Torah, we know that the Tithe was not set up to support the Sanctuary. It was for welfare only. Israel has a financial sytem to support the Sanctuary and it does not include the tithe.

If anyone is reading this and it sound weird or new, then you likely have never done a study on money in the Bible. I only summarized some things. there is much more.

So, the bottom line is that tithing has no application for today that I know of (unless you own a farm or mine--LOL). Of course we should give. But, the only contribution that is applicable today is the "nedavah"--freewill offering--and the dues agreed to by the men of the congregation in which each person pays the same same about. anything above that is a freewill offering. but, do not listen to me. just read ALL OF THE BIBLE VERSES about tithes and money in general. your mouths will drop to the floor. (Read the Book of Numbers first. That is where most of the information is).
Comment by Anthony McCauley on June 28, 2009 at 6:29pm
Brother I think we're on the same page, I do not see being in debt, or being late on bills...or being over extended bringing any kind of glory to God. I have heard a couple of Pastors in predominantly Anglo Churches that they will not even accept Tithes from a person who they know is over-burdened with debt, but will instead partner with those people and do whatever it takes to get them back on track with financial wholeness. Personally, I do believe that whether you want to call it a Tithe or not, that under normal circumstances we should be able to commit to supporting the Lord's work....with the 10% as being a benchmark, those who can do more should do more and those who cannot my view is that the overspill would take care of it. But as stated my views are a little unconventional for a Baptist- and may be part of the reason why although I am a Minister I am not currently in Pastoral leadership.

I guess too this is my own personal valley, especially since the layoff I'm wondering why the windows of heaven blessing is not taking place in a financial manifestation of some kind. The most I can conclude is somehow somewhere I must be doing something wrong....

Blessings to you.
Comment by Yehochanan Ben-Yisrael on June 26, 2009 at 9:31pm
Sad... That is false worship. The intention is in the right place but he is not payying according to the Word of the Creator. The Creator says to pays tithes on our "increase" (that is, if you accept the Torah). But, we are COMMANDED to pay our bills. It is too bad that Christians do not read the whole teaching on tithes from Genesis to Revelations. The pastors certainly will not teach this to them. Why? Because the poor and those in debt do not pay tithes--THEY RECIEVE THEM! LOL! Ah...they did not read that part. We pay tithes AFTER God as ALREADY blessed us. But, if they read the WHOLE book and not just second half--they'd know and be the better for it. So give to the congregation whatever you wish--after you pay your debts. Not paying bills or debts when you have the money is STEALING--NOT WORSHIP.
Comment by Anthony McCauley on June 26, 2009 at 11:22am
I'm new to this, but this issue has always been controversial and I guess my views are controversial also.
Let me begin by saying that I am a Tither, but I do not agree with much of the teaching that is done on the Tithe in our modern day Churches. I do not believe that the Tithe was ever meant to put people in bondage, I believe that in the NT the principle for giving is out of love, in an attitude of worship and of course it is all as a result of His Grace. So I would agree with the first post in this chain, by Bro. Paul Williams.

We are to give willingly out of love and not grudgingly 2. Cor 9: 6-8; AND that we're to give according to our ability 1 Cor 16:1-2. Personally I do not believe that God is unjust or that He would call a person to give above and beyond that which they are able to give.

I know this flies in the face of those who preach that you are cursed with a curse if you don't tithe. But I'll just tell you from experience, that I have tithed consistently both in season and out of season. In the process, I have lost thousands of dollars in bad deals, ended up in a foreclosure and had to move back home and even right now in spite of tithing am living hand to mouth barely making ends meet from a P/T job. In all this I have not withheld my Tithe.

So to say that God will curse a person with a curse if they don't Tithe is simply not true. Tithing is primarily an act of faith and one of worship, I've heard preachers say that people should tithe first before they pay their bills...That's fine and good but my own view is that if I am going to tell a person to do that....then when they fall into financial difficulty....my hands should be the first to rush to their aid as being a steward over the windows of heaven.

The problem with too many of our Churches is that the vaults go only one way...they take a lot in, but they're not always so willing to give it out. I know too many people who are in need financially....AND THE LAST PLACE, they can go to is the Church that they Tithe to.

This is a shame and an abomination. So yes, my view is that God is not broke and that He gives grace- I give at least 10% of my Income to the Lord, call it a Tithe if you will or call it whatever. When opportunity arises, I give even more. During Biblical times Tithing often far exceeded 10% since technically that's only a benchmark.

Tithing/Giving ought firstly to proceed from a heart that is full of gratitude, so even in my bad financial condition I can still give the Lord 10cents out of every dollar-with no expectation of return since Tithing is not a bail out plan- as some Churches teach also.

Truth of the matter is that in the Black Church we've exalted Tithing to a level that I don't believe it was ever intended to have- so people often are giving out of guilt based upon fear and not out of love, and I'll say as I close that I've been in too many Churches where the spiritual barometer is set upon a person's Tithing record and not upon other equally important areas of their lives.

What am I saying ?- what I'm saying in short is that there are a lot of people who go to Church and truth be told......the only thing that they are FAITHFUL AND OBEDIENT IN.....is the Tithe, and as long as they keep those tithes rolling in the preachers keep quiet and do not challenge them about the other areas of their lives which also need to be brought into subjection and conformity to Christ.

I give to God because I love Him......not out of fear or obligation but because I love Him, and I do so...regardless of any perceived "windows of heaven" or "devourer rebuked" promise out of Malachi 3:10.

I began this post by saying that in spite of my tithing I've experienced severe financial losses, all has not been well in my financial life by any means. I am a Preacher, but I am also a realist......I don't question God but I do question some of what I've been taught or heard taught. I realize that I am the sum total of my choices and that I made some bad decisions, some of them I knew were bad when I entered into them......but I hoped and prayed for increase and for things to happen that would help my situation to improve. IN my case they did not happen.

All I can conclude is that whatever we do, we must do out of love and do it by faith. God is good in spite of all this- but I for one will not condemn people who are already struggling financially and feeling terrible about their finances ...if for some reason they are unable to meet the tithe. I don't believe that God ever intended for the Tithe to put people in bondage- and I think that we as Preachers need to incorporate that spirit into our Teaching and Preaching.

Nuff said, and yes, I'm a bit controversial.
Comment by Yehochanan Ben-Yisrael on June 18, 2009 at 8:58pm
Anna...you should use those questions as a basis of a good paper or article to disseminate to the people. There are many other good articles on the Internet that go in great detail on the questions you posed. Perhaps I will do an article myself. The information cannot be limited to forums. The people must have it. Our people are being HAMMERED by false shepherds. The information must be disseminated!
Comment by Yehochanan Ben-Yisrael on June 18, 2009 at 8:43pm
GOOD QUESTIONS, Anna! The comment below got the "giving" part correct. We are to give on the FIRST day of the week, NOT ON THE SABBATH on which no business is to be done. Yet, people forget the the TITHES go to the NEEDY of the congregation, not just the slick brother making a living on old ladies on social security and single moms who can't keep the lights on. Torah says that they are supposed to RECIEVE the tithes. But, I guess THEIR VERSION of the New Covenant cuts the needy of the congregation out of the tithes. Now, only Rev. Porkchop gets supported and the homeless, elderly, orphans and widows get scraps! Come out of her, Oh Yisrael!
 

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