I find it interesting that a Bishop must come through the sacred vehicle of consecration, He must be consecrated by Bishops with Apostolic Succession, and He must govern an assigned diocese but an Apostle (some of whom were never consecrated Bishops) does not. The fact is that there is more than one line of succession (for those who claim that succession was broken); I refer to both the Eastern and Western streams. Prelates who were granted Apostolic Succession are the only clerics who can create another Prelate in spite of what heresy is being taught. I have friends who are Apostles but they are also duly consecrated Bishops in good standing within the Episcopal community. These mighty men of God boldly speak out against those who want Prelateship without proper Episcopal dispensation. By defintion a consecration is in fact official permission to enter into the Episcopacy; this being true how can one claim the office of Bishop without a consecration? One can not be a Prelate without being consecrated into an order of Prelature. 5 of those orders are Episcopal and 1 is Potentiary. The truth is simple, one can not claim to be a Prelate if they were not properly consecrated by Prelates with Apostolic Succession. A side note: exactly how does an Apostle, who was never consecrated by Prelates with Apostolic Succecsion, see himself comparatively to a properly consecrated Bishop? Does he believe himself equal to, superior to, or subject to that Bishop?

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Comment by Cardinal Arbsp Dr Austin Bradley on October 23, 2010 at 4:47pm
Fellow clergy,,need we argue about this?Come let us reason together please!! There are people out here that need to be consecrated so that they can carry on in their own ministries, and they see us with sharp tongues toward one another then what wiil they think?Above all what does God think about our attitude toward one another?Come on guys!!!let's get this thing right and move on!! we don't have time for this,,God's work must be done!!So let's put away our differences and do what the Lord say...ok? who's with me?
Comment by Metrpolitan Trevor Greene on October 21, 2009 at 4:21pm
Pardon the young man up there with the out of control tongue. Zeal without control and knowledge can be deadly! To shed some light on this subject, the Apostle by ranking terms, is above the Bishop. However, this should not have any effect on your Bishopric, simply because we have two separate works. Allow me to explain:

There is trouble understanding the Apostleship and trying to define it from the angle of the Bishopric. There are Bishops who have done very good jobs and are highly respected, who hold a position that if one is to be an Apostle, one must come from a sure line of Apostolic Succession that traces back to the original twelve.

Apostolic Succession for the Bishopric is very much so needed, however, Apostleship is not an office that follows such an order. When in reference to Apostolic offices like the Seat of Peter in Rome (the Pope), yes, there is be a line that they follow because it is not a new work established. When talking about the C.O.G.I.C. family, yes the Chief Apostle & Presiding Prelate Bishop Blake and all others would fall under the Apostolic Succession category, tracing their line back to the Apostle C.H. Mason. Not so with Apostleship. The Bishopric continues a work that was started by an Apostle. An Apostle, however, does not continue someone else's work, but starts up his/her own. Take this scripture for example:

"Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ. Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation: but as it is written, To whom he was not spoken of, they shall see: and they that have not heard shall understand. For which cause also I have been much hindered from coming to you." - Romans 15:19-22

If you look at the three Epistles for the Bishopric, (1st & 2nd Timothy, and Titus), these two gentlemen were not doing the Bishopric work, but Apostolic establishment. From them would be a Church established and ordered, with the Bishops picking up from where the Apostles left them to finish. Take note of what Apostle Paul said to Apostle Titus:

"For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:" - Titus 1:5

The word "Elder" in this verse is synonymous with the words "Pastor", and "Overseer/Bishop". Titus was not called to be the Bishop, but to ordain the Bishops. This is part of what Apostles do. They start a work, and plant overseers of the work to continue where they left off. Apostolic Succession would work and continue from there, if it ever were to continue. But it would have little to no relevance to the Apostle's office. The Apostle is hand-selected by GOD and affirmed by Prophets, and fellow Apostles to go forth and do the work GOD has specifically called them for.

The Bishopric in essence continues what the Apostles start. An Apostle does not have to even be a Bishop over an already established work before being sent out to start a new project for Christ. Let us look at some apostolic examples:

- Zhang Rongling started the underground Chinese Church in the 1970's, and was not formally consecrated to Apostolic Succession according to the order you speak of. No man on here or anywhere else can refute his Apostleship.

- Kayy Gordon planted 12 Church and two Bible Colleges in Canada for the Eskimos. No mention of Bishopric ordination for her Apostolic office and work!

Need I go on, because I can easily do so if needed?


be blessed, speak blessed.....
to be a blessing, & speak a blessing......

Your brother Apostle-Elect Trevor T. Greene
Founder & Overseer,
Twelve Tribes Apostolic Kingdom
Comment by Apostle D Tyler Brown on October 13, 2009 at 9:26am
Wow...Acts 13:1-4 (King James Version)
Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul. As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, "Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them. And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away. So they, being sent forth by the Holy Ghost, departed unto Seleucia; and from thence they sailed to cyprus. And when they were in Salamis, they preached the word of God in the synagogues of the Jews; and they had also John to their minister. (What is religion, what is church and what is biblical???)

According to Philippians 1:6 - we are all a work in progress and as long as we remain teachable then we are apt to grow in the knowledge of the things of God as our hearts are receptive to the Holy Spirit...Amen! Sometimes the Holy Spirit will lead us to listening and pray that another will receive understanding and clarity. Sometimes we need to simply "believe" what the prophet has said. We need the true prophets today...Amen! Evangelist D Tyler Brown.
Comment by Bishop Allen Richardson on September 29, 2009 at 7:50am
WOW........THATS AMAZING YOU MISS IT MAN OF GOD............I DONT ARGUE...... I PRICK MINDS.....PUT IT IN MY PIPE.....I DONT SMOKE..(THATS ENCORAGEMENT?)........AND YOUR AN APOSTLE.......WOW .....I DONT ARGUE THE WORD.....BRO!!!!!!!!! STAY BLESS.........THATS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT............MAD......NOT ME IT IS WHAT IT IS...........AND THE CRAZY THING, I BELIEVE IN APOSTLES.....................WOW..........

SERVANT
Comment by Apostle-Prelate Walter Rowe III on September 29, 2009 at 3:27am
I strongly urge all of you to read the BIBLE again... The Apostle Paul calls himself "An Apostle not of MEN" so don't tell me or anyone else that they are not Apostles... There were other Apostles who had a different experience with CHRIST, that Paul didn't... They ate, slept, talked, and walked with JESUS personally, Pauls experience was different. Don't get mad because people don't need you to tell them who they are. If they say they are Apostles, let them alone... And a BISHOP is a office of work, not perfection... Look at Ephesians 4:11 and its the Apostle who helps to perfect, not the BISHOP... I just laugh at stuff like this... O my, the holy sacred office... Read the BIBLE and get over yourselves... Your ring, and title don't make you holy, its your lifestyle... Now put that in your pipe and smoke it.....

Its a shame that yall are in tradition... Remember we are a part of the gentile church, Paul is our model. If you seek to teach me, please support your position BIBICALLY on the office of the BISHOP... If not, sit down somewhere and preach the gospel before you are accursed, cause this isn't it....

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