Gay Issues
Gay Issues
Don't ask, don't tell
Say I'm married, not a union.
Tell me I'm normal.
I would like to invite you in on a discussion I am having with myself on the issue of homosexuality.
Feel free to add any thoughts you have that add to the discussion.
Agree or disagree but try to do so in a manner that does not deter from the level of this discourse.
Scriptural referent used as part of your argument are welcome but just listing some verses are of no use to the discourse if they bolster no conversation.
While looking at a political cartoon on the military issue about homosexuals it dawned on me, maybe too late, that all the gay issues are about establishing a acceptable social identity.
Yes, a recognizable public identity is important. In America the identity of many non white persons has been established with much pain and even blood. But even then the stereotypes remain but the identity will have been made politically correct as if that helps.
In the military the don't ask, don't tell policy avoids the subject. I'm not going to ask if you are homosexual and I don't want you to tell me. It is a morale issue because the stereotype will exist that cannot be legislated away.
That appears to be a situation where no one wins.
In the civilian arena homosexual want to call their partnerships a marriage, while all the rights inherent in a marriage can be legislated without calling the connection between people of the same gender marriage.
Will it change the sexual nature of that relationship, I do not think so.
Lastly, homosexual orientation wants to be considered normal. I was shocked to find out that over 1500 species have homosexual relationships. So is that normal? Well the other animals in their social context do not appear to have an issue. Chimpanzees and Dolphins do not lose their heterosexual natures because of homosexual activity.
The males do not take on female functions in the society. It is all about the relief and release of sexual tension by the males who may or may not mate. That is not true in human society. Those who revert to this type of social behavior do take on social characteristics of the opposite sex. At least half or nearly half of the males act female and the females act male.
That is the proscription biblically against such behavior. The bible, it appears, is against sexual activity.
The world in which the bible came into existence was one in which some sexual tension was released by way of same sex sexual activity usually in military camps. In the civilian world it was condoned in the sex for sale business. Sodom and Gomorrah were only examples of those practices gone wild. Those places where it had gotten out of hand.
So the sexual practices of people of the same sex, with animals, or out of wedlock came to be prohibited.
Those who wrote the bible were not aware, as I was not, of the practice of many species. I doubt a Hebrew had ever seen a Chimp or a Dolphin or had any knowledge of their habits.
What does that have to do with it.
Well the bible indicates that "God said...." and that is cool as far as people go. Despite what some people feel we are a part of the animal kingdom. We like to think at the top but I think the jury is still out on that.
What animal destroys the nest it lives in?
Sex is the issue. What is considered abnormal sex. Sex practices between the same gender.
How does that help the psychological workings of a human being?
That is the real homosexual issue today. The Hebrew did not even consider the psyche, and mental aberrations were considered demonic.
Probably homosexual tendencies are considered by some the same way today. As a mental aberration.
Some have even tried to cure it. Yet to date there have been no cures for any mental issues, only pharmaceutical stop gap measures and none for homosexual feelings.
Each of the points of identity are being addressed separately. All are contentious and emotional.
I personally will never stop seeing the condition and practice of homosexuality as abnormal and a species aberration, but then that is just my opinion. Based on the bible and my understanding the sex act is forbidden not the feeling or the relationships. Yes there can be relationship without sex. And as the song says nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors. And there is the rub, the homosexual community does not want to stay behind closed doors. It appears as if the sexual component of their relationships are to be visually and publicly put on front street. In many of today's societies a man holding a man's hand is no indication of sexual preference or habit, they are just friends. It is a habit I have discouraged in my loving male child because "it doesn't feel right". Not that there is anything intended but filial love, son for father but I have been put in that position by this society of feeling that way. When I was in the orient I had male friends who had that practice and it didn't feel right although in their society it only meant I was a good friend.
We might change our laws, but in this society "it won't feel right."
Don't ask, don't tell
Say I'm married, not a union.
Tell me I'm normal.
I would like to invite you in on a discussion I am having with myself on the issue of homosexuality.
Feel free to add any thoughts you have that add to the discussion.
Agree or disagree but try to do so in a manner that does not deter from the level of this discourse.
Scriptural referent used as part of your argument are welcome but just listing some verses are of no use to the discourse if they bolster no conversation.
While looking at a political cartoon on the military issue about homosexuals it dawned on me, maybe too late, that all the gay issues are about establishing a acceptable social identity.
Yes, a recognizable public identity is important. In America the identity of many non white persons has been established with much pain and even blood. But even then the stereotypes remain but the identity will have been made politically correct as if that helps.
In the military the don't ask, don't tell policy avoids the subject. I'm not going to ask if you are homosexual and I don't want you to tell me. It is a morale issue because the stereotype will exist that cannot be legislated away.
That appears to be a situation where no one wins.
In the civilian arena homosexual want to call their partnerships a marriage, while all the rights inherent in a marriage can be legislated without calling the connection between people of the same gender marriage.
Will it change the sexual nature of that relationship, I do not think so.
Lastly, homosexual orientation wants to be considered normal. I was shocked to find out that over 1500 species have homosexual relationships. So is that normal? Well the other animals in their social context do not appear to have an issue. Chimpanzees and Dolphins do not lose their heterosexual natures because of homosexual activity.
The males do not take on female functions in the society. It is all about the relief and release of sexual tension by the males who may or may not mate. That is not true in human society. Those who revert to this type of social behavior do take on social characteristics of the opposite sex. At least half or nearly half of the males act female and the females act male.
That is the proscription biblically against such behavior. The bible, it appears, is against sexual activity.
The world in which the bible came into existence was one in which some sexual tension was released by way of same sex sexual activity usually in military camps. In the civilian world it was condoned in the sex for sale business. Sodom and Gomorrah were only examples of those practices gone wild. Those places where it had gotten out of hand.
So the sexual practices of people of the same sex, with animals, or out of wedlock came to be prohibited.
Those who wrote the bible were not aware, as I was not, of the practice of many species. I doubt a Hebrew had ever seen a Chimp or a Dolphin or had any knowledge of their habits.
What does that have to do with it.
Well the bible indicates that "God said...." and that is cool as far as people go. Despite what some people feel we are a part of the animal kingdom. We like to think at the top but I think the jury is still out on that.
What animal destroys the nest it lives in?
Sex is the issue. What is considered abnormal sex. Sex practices between the same gender.
How does that help the psychological workings of a human being?
That is the real homosexual issue today. The Hebrew did not even consider the psyche, and mental aberrations were considered demonic.
Probably homosexual tendencies are considered by some the same way today. As a mental aberration.
Some have even tried to cure it. Yet to date there have been no cures for any mental issues, only pharmaceutical stop gap measures and none for homosexual feelings.
Each of the points of identity are being addressed separately. All are contentious and emotional.
I personally will never stop seeing the condition and practice of homosexuality as abnormal and a species aberration, but then that is just my opinion. Based on the bible and my understanding the sex act is forbidden not the feeling or the relationships. Yes there can be relationship without sex. And as the song says nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors. And there is the rub, the homosexual community does not want to stay behind closed doors. It appears as if the sexual component of their relationships are to be visually and publicly put on front street. In many of today's societies a man holding a man's hand is no indication of sexual preference or habit, they are just friends. It is a habit I have discouraged in my loving male child because "it doesn't feel right". Not that there is anything intended but filial love, son for father but I have been put in that position by this society of feeling that way. When I was in the orient I had male friends who had that practice and it didn't feel right although in their society it only meant I was a good friend.
We might change our laws, but in this society "it won't feel right."
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