SHOULD WE KICK HIM WHEN HE IS DOWN???

HOW CAN YOU DOG A HOMELESS PERSON
I HAVE A FRIEND WHO JUST BECAME HOMLELESS AND HE HAS DONE SO MUCH FOR THE CHUIRCH AND OTHERS,,AND NOW HE NEEDS HELP,,,A CHRISTIAN FAMILY TOOK HIM IN AND JUST SO ANYONE CAN SAY THAT HE JUST HANGS AROUND THE HOUSE ,,HE LEAVES 6AM AND RETURNS 6PM LOOKING FOR WORK AND STAYING AWAY ,,SOME DAYS HE IS SO TIRED THAT HE CAN BARELY WALK,,AND HE PROVIDE HIS OWN MEALS SO HE WONT BE A BURDEN ON THE PEOPLE THAT HE WAS STAYING WITH..AFTER A WEEK THE CHRISTIAN FAMILY TOLD HIM TO LEAVE,,HE SAID WHY ,,WHAT DID OR DID'NT I DO??THE HUSBAND REPLIED MY WIFE IS MAKING $70K YR. AND I NOR YOU ARE WORKING AND SHE JUST WANT YOU OUT!!! YOU KNOW HOW WEMAN ARE,,HE LATER ADMITTED THAT HE TOOK $5,500 FROM HIS 401 AND HIS WIFE DID NOT KNOW ABOUT IT,,THE HOMELESS PERSOPN IS A PREACHER /TEACHER AND CAN PREACH RINGS AROUND THE PASTOR THAT HE WAS STAYING WITH,,AND TRIED TO HELP THE PASTOR BUT HE WONT LISTEN...I ASKED BPN WHEN DO WE STOP ACTING LIKE CHRISTIANS AND START PERFORMING REAL SERMONS AND NOT THE ONES THAT ARE AIR BRUSHED??..WHEN I SAY AIR BRUSHED I MEAN THE PRETTY STUFF THAT EVERYTHING IS SUPPOSED TO BE WITHOUT SACRIFICING AND REAL MINIISTRY,,WWJD JESUS GOT HIS HANDS DIRTY AND WAS HOMELESS AND HELPED THE HOMELESS,,THE BIBLE SAYS BE YE KIND TO STRANGERS ,FOR YOU CAN BE ENTERTAINING ANGELS UNAWARE,,WHEN YOU FEED MY SHEEP YOUR FEEDING ME..I AM HELPING THE BROTHER AS MUCH AS I CAN AND IT IS A SACRIFICE BUT IT IS MINISTRY

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Comment by Eric Hancock on July 22, 2009 at 12:59pm
What a powerful story
we all say WWJD Jesus would have worked with them as you did,People want the pretty ministry that don't leave the Church,, God wants us to get our hands dirty
Comment by Eric Hancock on June 7, 2009 at 6:17pm
But you did respond...Hmmmmm
Comment by regi on June 7, 2009 at 6:12pm
Laughing too much to type...so translated hard headed? LOL! Back at you....LOL
Comment by Eric Hancock on June 7, 2009 at 12:58am
Hmmmmm!!!

Point taken,,And I say this with truth,,You should've been a Lawyer, you would Amoy the Judge but your good when it comes to getting your point across ,,, I 'll be watching you
Comment by regi on June 6, 2009 at 8:03pm
Oh my...Well okay different point, got it. No one said they were better and I didn't try to imply this. That was just a list of things people say all the time, Muslim verses Christian, Catholics verses protestants, etc. alone with all the other negative propaganda we hear daily.

Read my message. I don't believe in sugar coding either, and I do read my word and study (honestyly smile), so no need to assume I don't or to take such a tone with me as if I don't b/c I love the exchange of knowledge, I don't know it all: Do you know of someone other than God who does? I also don't believe that I come across as someone who does not read or study, nor have I made this type of attack or accusation towards anyone. I gracefully bow out now as my opinion doesn't matter.

Enjoy the rest of your blog. But here I go again, I can't help myself or don't want to, but I know Jesus had a home with his parents if he wanted it, and he chose to be homeless and never complained. He took refuge when and wherever the door was opened, and never expected anyone to open a door if they didn't want to, they gladly did, those that did. However, He came bringing wisdom, and blessings, and the power of his presence to name a few.

I agree real ministry, as if there is any other kind of ministry, is not always flowers, but I also know that the Word of God says with love and kindness I've drawn thee. God shows this real ministry as he continues to forgive us while we try to get it right. None of us are perfect loving people. Each of us can and must continue to grow. I say again, how many people take in homeless into their personal homes (you? I did at least 3 times, but I knew it was of God), and those that try, often times mess it up. It's difficult at best. Real ministry as you call it, is what I said as well--it says No sometimes, and looks for alternatives. No we don't need to flower things up, but they help at times; but sometimes we need to put up or shut up.

Bashing is not a ministry that I elect to partake of, and never will. Learning from other's mistakes, yes, when there is a message showing how a thing was made better and a lesson is received. As in the great blue print of life, even those stories of defeat have great lessons as they explain the right and wrong of things. So I still make my different situational point and that is, no matter what anyone says, it impossible to tuly know the heart of a person or the intent. Yes, we can use our spirit of discernment, but if we are not going to take the fault to the person to help the person improve, when we can; we need to shut up or put up, otherwise we are bashing. Yes I get that my point is different from where you were going, and you were not bashing, and people walked away the better and wiser from your blog, but since I put my foot in my mouth, I thought I might make it taste good and easy to digest. I'm happy good came from this.

Agape Love, Sis Regi
Comment by Eric Hancock on June 6, 2009 at 4:08pm
Who said that they are better than anyone??? People gave there opinion only
Comment by Eric Hancock on June 6, 2009 at 4:05pm
Real ministry
Is not always sweet flowers and nice things,,somebody has to sacrifice and that was Christ..no cross..no crown,,greater works he said that we will do!!! That means getting our hands dirty and sacrificing,,freely he receive. Freely ye give..positivity is good but let's excercise positivity in helping those in need instead of creating reasons why we don't want to get involved..Real kingdom builders outreach,,Church people inreach
Comment by Eric Hancock on June 6, 2009 at 3:55pm
AGAIN
Different situation,,we already know the heart and it is not ministry, of personal issues are block one from performing then they need to go before the lord as what there will really is,,You said no one knows there heart without judging,, There is decernsion such is our spiritual right,,The point and lesson everyone is seeing is true kingdom building requires sacrificing,,If you would read your Bible that pretty much the blue print of the Gospel,,remember Jesus/Yashua too was homeless when his ministry took off,,but know one put him out
Comment by regi on June 6, 2009 at 1:54pm
Okay that's all good. I still say that blogs of this nature serve no purpose in my humble opinion. I enjoy Anna's blogs b/c they are ususally Word driven and teaching. When she opposes a thing, it is a thing and not a person.

I stand by my opinion that when we start to share our opinions about people without knowing the heart of a person (do we know this lady's heart or even this preacher's heart?) God help this man, a man of God if you will. I wonder b/c I don't know his heart or his true motives, even you only know what a person says, and we all communicate to make our point as I am doing now and as you did in your blog. What is his angle? He and God knows. I might say he needs to leave for a time, or do what he has to do, but that's me. I would say to myself, what man would remain in an abusive situation? Does he enjoy being kept, if he's not working? There's so much that is not disclosed here.

It just seems like more opinions, and perspectives, and serves no Godly purpose. What would be the final outcome here? Since none of us know the preacher truly know him, his motive, his heart, (only what his mouth says) and are not being warned to avoid this person b/c of what could happen to us, what's the point.

Is anyone going to this lady and addressing the issue with her? The word tells us to go to the person who had offened and if they don't receive, oh well.If we will not take the fault to the person so they can repent and turn from their ways, what's the point?

If the homeless man came to you for help and you are providing it, then all is well. I did get the point and I thought I made it clear that I knew this man was not a drug addict or anything like this. I did understand he simply lost his job and fell on hard times. But I also understand that to take a person into your home requires a certain discipline and heart condition. There are people that do take in people into their homes and do it well and have great successes. But it is obvious without having all the facts that this was not the case here. We might assume that person(s) did it to say they are so good, but then they wouldn't be sending that message now after kicking the man out, and would have defeated the whole purpose. This is speculating what was the true driving force that caused the change of mind and heart. We don't know! You truly can't say you know.

I think that one should never take a person in without considering the longhaul, but I know things happen. As in my case. I agree that they should never have taken the brother in if they were not willing to go the longhaul, I am simply saying also that I think we talk about stuff too much. I say, talking loud and doing nothing. (Not you, you took the brother in and I guess you are in it for the long haul. No I'm assuming you took the brother in, either way you gave a helping hand.) So this my response is not an attack, so please don't take it as such. It's just something that has been on my heart for a while. I look at the blogs and read a few when I have the time to glean nuggets of wisdom and insight to share as I journey throughout my day.

I too usually read all the blogs, but I read only your initial blog, and Anna's b/c I knew hers would be word driven, and a few others I scanned. But I still came away with --what's the point. This site is a great opportunity to share the good news of Christ or God, and definitely shedding the light on those things that tear down the kingdom. I guess I would have really lit up if the blog mentioned the incident without seeming to attack Christianity, explain the actions taken to correct all the way around...and had the rebuke of the people involved been rejected, then what steps were taken or how it was left to God rather than lumping all Christians in the same barrel.

I'm a Christian, and I am so painfully aware of how people use the word of God for personal gains and how the word is watered down, sugar coded and outright misquoted. But I see it in so many circles not just the Christian circle. I have made it my business to be the example and the exception and not just dump more negativity, creating an even greater negative or doubtful spirit surrounding religion as a whole. I'm determined to be that light and live the life God has purposed for me, as I continue to learn and grow.

I guess what I saw and I do apologize if I spoke out of line and missed some points in my haste, but this is a site for sharing, not perfections, we are all trying to get there. I have read many blogs and call me selfish, but I like the ones that teach and challenge me, making me think and research, and question, and seek, and ask, the provoke me to joy and love, rather than bash with not true objective.

So the outcome of your blog for those learning, for the babes that might have signed on who are skeptical and fragile, for those that are already bitter and looking for more mess to get into, for those looking for a fight, for those that are pulling away God, for those that see the constant bashing, and attaching among the so called Godly people, and the I'm better than you (as the pharises were in the bible days) and the your religion is not greater than mine, and so on and so on - Jesus in my studies kept it plain and made no excuses the word has power, we don't need to add brut force....but what to these people glean from blogs of this kind?

Selfish me...Just like to eat as much positive, muscle building (faith), wisdom nuggets as I can. We are a socieity that love to jump in on the negative. Watch the rubber neckers on the road during an accident, watch the reactions when the news flashes murders or youth violence, watch what we do during tragedies. I pray that His Kingdom come and His will be done...

Much Love to you brother, I know in my heart that you meant to shed light on the mess that's going on, but the learning outcome, what's that? Most people see and smell the mess, they need the rest!
Comment by Eric Hancock on June 6, 2009 at 6:00am
I love you point
But totally different situation,I know the Pastor and his wife first hand, and known them for over ten years,, And if you read all of the post you will find out that I mentioned that he told me that 17 years ago her and his step daughter jumed him and tried to beat him up, but he prevailed so they called the police on him..this woman has her own ideology of the Gospel, he just want to keep piece or think probally that he may get jumped again LOL,,but the homeless brother don't have any substance abuse problems,, the Pastor told me that himself he also included that he went to church with him and sat in bible class and he did provide his own meals and he did draw away to avoid conflick..it just was not in them to whole hartly help!!! You don't put someone out to keep piece with your spouse when it is a Godly/ministry situation,, That is not real ministry and they both know it.. I began to wonder why did they really bring him in because the wife welcomed him first!!! Unless the wanted to boast OH WE HELP THE HOMELESS,,
FYI: Anna usually evaluate the whole blog before she post

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