TALMUD AND TORAH VERSUS GRACE AND FAITH
Indeed, brother Moreh said:
“…The “LAW” that is the bondage and that was being spoken to, was the Talmud NOT Torah…In fact in Matthew 15 The same issue of washing hands come up…Notice the term “tradition of the elders” This does not refer to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob…It refers to the Rabbinical Orthodox teachers, so called “Jews” who Followed the Oral Law….Their tradition comes from their Oral law brother not the “Law” of Yahweh…They (Pharisees) placed the Talmud higher than Torah and made it a Yoke not easy to bare…That is the Yoke of bondage that scripture speaks about NOT TORAH. In FACT UP TO this day, they hold higher regard of Talmud than they do Torah….Their Traditions are more important than the written Law of Yah…hmmmm…
As for brother Pierce, he said:
“I think what you are missing is that no one is saying that we don't observe or keep the law in Christ. WE are NOT however bound to it because of Christ.
NO ONE was ever bound to Torah. Again, Torah was never bondage.
Matt 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light
Why do you think that was said?
The Pharisees were promoting TRADITIONS OF MEN, rather than the written word. The Pharisees made the Torah a burden, and difficult to carry out. That is why Yeshua said his burden is light, and yoke is easy. When we follow Yeshua, he would show us the GREAT way to keep Torah”.
As we see, according to the Torah keepers, the Talmud is a tradition of men that comes from their Oral law. Indeed The Pharisees were promoting the Talmud which was a TRADITION OF MEN. That is the Yoke of bondage that scripture speaks about NOT TORAH.
So, I have specific questions to ask to the Torah keepers so that they can explain better the difference between the TORAH and the TALMUD.
Indeed, Brother Paul said:
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the "stumbling stone." As it is written: "See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame”.
“…but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness…”
Is the law of righteousness the Talmud or the Torah?
The righteousness that is by faith: Where does this faith come from?
Brother Paul said again:
“Brothers, my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes”.
“…Christ is the end of the law…”
Was Brother Paul speaking here about the Talmud or the Torah?
Brother Paul said again:
"Therefore, my brothers, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the law of Moses. Take care that what the prophets have said does not happen to you: " 'Look, you scoffers, wonder and perish, for I am going to do something in your days that you would never believe, even if someone told you. As Paul and Barnabas were leaving the synagogue, the people invited them to speak further about these things on the next Sabbath.
“…Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the Law of Moses…”
Is the Law of Moses here the Talmud or the Torah?
All that I know is that, if I truly believe in Jesus Christ, I’m justified from everything I could not be justified from by the Law of Moses.
FAITH IN JESUS IS BETTER THAN THE LAW OF MOSES. Amen!
This is the reason why Brother Paul said:
"We who are Jews by birth and not 'Gentile sinners' know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.”
“…a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ…”
Here, is the law which is compared to the faith, the Talmud or the Torah?
The Herbrews’ writer said:
“The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God”.
Was the former regulation which is weak, useless and which is set aside, the Talmud or the Torah?
Was the law which is said to make nothing perfect, the Talmud or the Torah ?
Then, what is the better hope which is introduced, by which we draw near to God?
The Herbrews’ writer said again:
“The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship”.
Is the law which is only a shadow of the good things that are coming - not the realities themselves, the Talmud or the Torah?
What are the good things that are coming?
Brothers, please, read carefully Galatians 3 :10-29 and tell me if Brother Paul was referring to the Talmud or to the Torah:
“ 10All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."[a] 11Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith."[b] 12The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them."[c] 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."[d] 14He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
15Brothers, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case. 16The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed,"[e] meaning one person, who is Christ. 17What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. 18For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.
19What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was put into effect through angels by a mediator. 20A mediator, however, does not represent just one party; but God is one.
21Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. 22But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.
23Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ[f] that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.
26You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise”.
Indeed, the Bible declares:
“23Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ[f] that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law”
Was this law the Talmud of the Torah?
Now, what is the difference between that law and the Faith that justifies the believers in Christ?
Indeed Brother Paul said:
“Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God”.
Is the law here the Talmud or the Torah?
Who are those who are under that law?
Brother Peter said:
“9He made no distinction between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear? 11No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are."
What does the following phrase mean?
“…for he purified their hearts by faith…”
When Brother Peter said “a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear”, was he referring to the Talmud or to the Torah?
Do you agree with Brother Peter when he said that “We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are”?
Do you truly agree with him?
Or do you believe that unless we are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, we cannot be saved (Acts 15:1)?
Our Lord Jesus Christ said:
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them”.
Was Jesus speaking about the Talmud or the Torah?
What does the Fulfilment of the Law mean?
Would you be so kind as to explain me the following verse?
“And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[a] 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
When Jesus said “Law and the Prophets”, was He referring to the Talmud or to the Torah?
"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery. But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.”
When Jesus said “You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery”, was he referring to the Talmud or to the Torah?
Wasn’t the new law of Christ better than the former law?
“Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ”.
If a Christian fulfils the law of Christ(the new convenant) according to which we must not look at a woman lustfully for fear of committing adultery with her in our heart, will that Christian be considered lawless or an evil doer before Jesus according to Mathew 7: 21-23?
The lawless one, THE EVIL DOER, isn’t it the one who still get stuck on the former law, the first one which has been made obsolete and aging will soon disappear (Hebrews 8:13)?
Brothers and sisters in Christ, the message of our Lord Jesus is very clear:
“For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven"'.
"...unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven"
You must also know this:
« For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.”
THE LAW OF MOSES HERE IS THE TORAH.
The commands of Jesus Christ are not burdensome(1 John 5:3-5).
Gentile believers live under the GRACE and not according to the Torah.
The grace accompanies the believer during his life (1 Corinthians 15:10, 2 Corinthians 12:9) and He can be strengthened in it :
“You then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.”
2 Timothy 2: 1
Such a believer who walks in the grace of Jesus-Christ cannot walk any more according to the law(the Talmud or the Torah).
But what kind of law am I talking about here?
I’m talking about the law in the sense of principle of works (with allusion to the Mosaic Law) which is in contrast with the grace (Romans 2: 12-29, Romans 3: 19-31).
Thus, the gentile believers need not observe the Sabbath and the ritual ceremonies prescribed by Moses.
When John said that: “Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness (1 John 3:4)”, he did not refer to the customs taught by Moses (Acts 15: 1-21).
Consequently, the non-observance of the Sabbath by a gentile believer could not constitute the breaking of the law about which John spoke.
John referred to the law of the faith, to the truth of the faith:
“Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith ».
“If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.”
1 Timothy 4:6
This law can never be abolished, since the Word of God can not be abolished.
But what is the faith like?
« Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.”
Any thing will pass but the word of God will not pass. Ritual laws prescribed by Moses are no longer in force for the gentile believers. They are abolished for those who live under the grace. But the law of the faith which takes its source in the Word of Christ will never be abolished.
“Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints.”
Gentile believers live under the GRACE.
Hebrew Israelites keep the Sabbath because they still live under the LAW.
There are two different dispensations. Paul didn’t destroy THE LAW OF GOD though.
But he said that “no one will be declared righteous in His sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin”.
He said that we “ all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus”
He said that “a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.”
This doesn’t mean that we nullify the LAW OF GOD by this faith.
Please listen carefully to Paul:
“Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin”.
Righteousness Through Faith
But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished - he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law. Is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law. »
Hebrew Israelites still live UNDER THE LAW and do observe the Sabbath (whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law).
But the gentiles are free in Jesus-Christ, they live BY GRACE and they are justified BY FAITH.
Through the Grace God justifies freely the sinner who repents (Romans 2:24-25).
Israelites could not be justified by the Law of Moses. Today, gentile believers can not also be justified by the Law of Moses. This is the reason why Jesus Christ has come.
Jesus Christ came not to abolish but to fulfil or to perfect the Old Testament law as a UNIT (Matthew 5:17).
Indeed, He has perfected the Law on the adultery (Exodus 20: 14; Matthew 5: 27-28).
He has perfected the Law on the marriage and divorce (Genesis 2:24, Exodus 20:14; Matthew 19:1-12),
He has perfected the Law on the love of God (Exodus 20:2-7, Matthew 22:36-37),
He has perfected the Law on the love of our neighbour (Exodus 20: 12-17; Matthew 22:39, Matthew 5:21-26, Matthew 5:43-48, John 8: 1-11)
Verily, today, Yahweh’s perfect law is LOVE:
“And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity”.
Colossians 3: 14
In place of the Old Testament law, gentile believers are under the law of Christ (Galatians 6:2), which is to, “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind … and to love your neighbor as yourself” (Matthew 22:37-39).
If we obey those two commands, we will be fulfilling all that Christ requires of us, “All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments” (Matthew 22:40). Now, this does not mean the Old Testament Law is irrelevant today. Many of the commands in the Old Testament Law fall into the categories of “loving God” and “loving your neighbor.” The Old Testament Law can be a good “guidepost” for knowing how to love God and knowing what goes into loving your neighbor.
At the same time, to say that the Old Testament Law applies to Christians today is incorrect. The Old Testament Law is a unit (James 2:10). Either all of it applies, or none of it applies. If Christ fulfilled some it, such as the sacrificial system, He fulfilled all of it.
“This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome” (1 John 5:3). The Ten Commandments were essentially a summary of the entire Old Testament Law. Nine of the Ten Commandments are clearly repeated in the New Testament (all except the command to observe the Sabbath day). Obviously, if we are loving God we will not be worshipping false gods or bowing down before idols. If we are loving our neighbors, we will not be murdering them, lying to them, committing adultery against them, or coveting what belongs to them.
The purpose of the Old Testament Law is to point people to their need for Jesus Christ as Savior (Romans 7:7-9; Galatians 3:24). The Old Testament Law was never intended by God to be the universal law for all people for all of time. We are to love God and love our neighbors. If we obey those two commands faithfully, we will be upholding all that God requires of us.
Jesus Christ came not to abolish but to fulfil all the Law of Moses, NAMELY THE TORAH.