WOMEN APOSTLES IN THE HOUSE: IS THIS SO IN GOD'S HOUSE?

No, this is not so in God's house!

Indeed, the Bible says:

"It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers"

Ephesians 4:11

Jesus-Christ is the One who calls true Ministers. Those ones need not to be trained in a Seminary or a Pastoral school.

“For it is not the one who commends himself who is approved, but the one whom the Lord commends”.

2 Corinthians 10:18

Moreover, Jesus Christ never calls WOMEN TO OVERSEE CHURCHES.

Jesus Christ never calls WOMEN TO BECOME PASTORS.

Jesus Christ never calls WOMEN TO BECOME APOSTLES.

For example, the Bible declares that “After this, Jesus traveled about from one town and village to another, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom of God. The Twelve were with him, and also some women who had been cured of evil spirits and diseases: Mary (called Magdalene) from whom seven demons had come out; Joanna the wife of Cuza, the manager of Herod's household; Susanna; and many others. These women were helping to support them out of their own means.”

Luke 8:1-3

Tell me, were the women who followed Jesus and supported His work by their own means Overseers or Apostles in a sense equivalent to that of the twelve?

No! This is not so in God's house!

Woman’s place is behind!

All those women never hold authority over men, they new their role, their place in the church.

All that belongs to God’s salvation plan was revealed to the prophets and apostles (Ephesians 3:5; Revelation 10:7).

The Ministries and the gifts must be placed correctly in their divine order and left in their place.

No woman was leader in the early church.

However, today, men have created their own churches, in which women are ordained Pastors.

Thus, there is a differentiation to be made between the true CHURCH of Jesus and the Churches established by business men and women.

Indeed, Jesus Christ has a single Church which is built on revelation:

“And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build MY CHURCH, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.”

Matthew 16:18

Jesus says: “MY CHURCH”

THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST IS NOT A DENOMINATION ESTABLISHED BY MAN.

Indeed, a true Pastor must not wonder How to establish a Church for the One who calls the true ministers is the only one who establishes the CHURCH.

The One who calls the Pastors is the only One Who builds or establishes the CHURCH, His CHURCH.

And the One who builds the Church is the only One who adds to the number of the believers daily those who were being saved (Acts 2:47)

The Gospel is not our own word; it’s the Word of God. Consequently, it should not be influenced by our belief, our feeling and our own thoughts.

Indeed, a woman can prophesy according to Joel 2:28

"And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions”.

Joel 2:28

Let me tell you that the teaching of Brother Paul was in line with Joel 2:28 1.

Brother Paul teaches that a woman can pray or prophesy (1 Corinthians 11: 4-5)

The teaching of Brother Peter (Acts 2:17) was in line with Joel 2:28 1.

The promise of the prophet Joel was that "sons and daughters" would prophesy after the Holy Spirit was given to the church (Joel 2:28)

Admittedly, all of them, men and women were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them.

HOWEVER, only the twelve Disciples (MEN ONLY) were entitled to teach on the day Pentecost:

“Then Peter stood up with the Eleven, raised his voice and addressed the crowd: "Fellow Jews and all of you who live in Jerusalem, let me explain this to you; listen carefully to what I say.”

Acts 2:14

Joel 2:28 can never justify women’s teaching in the Assembly of the Saints.

But what should women do in the Church?

As good mothers old women ought to teach what is good to their daughters: a woman can train the younger women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.”

Titus 2:3-5

They can testify as the Samaritan woman did:

"Come; see a man who told me everything I ever did. Could this be the Christ?"

John 4:29

They can prophesy, pray, testify or teach young women.

HOWEVER, they do not have the right to be put behind the pulpit to teach the Word of God, in the Assemblies of the Saints, in the presence of the men and the women. I think that the Bible is sufficiently clear.

I refuse to join the false teachers in their new era.

I choose to get stuck on the old school teaching of Brother Paul and all the Apostles, because the true Church of Jesus Christ is “built on the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone”.

Ephesians 2:20

Please tell me, were the teachings of the Apostle Paul related to woman’s clothing or submission in the church, to their husband addressing an isolated situation in Ephesus and Corinth?

I don’t think so!

Are the teachings of the Apostle Paul on these issues outdated?

NO, I do not think so!

Because the Bible declares that: « All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”

2 Timothy 3:16-17

Let’s see what Paul said:

“For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command.”

1 Corinthians 14:33-37

Was Paul referring to “the Corinthian culture and its laws”?

Paul truly said:

1- “As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches”

What Paul said was concerning not only the Church of Corinth but also all churches of the saints in the whole world.

2- “They must be in submission as the Law says.”

The law here is the Law of God. This Law can be found in Genesis 3:16, Ephesians 5:22-24, 1 Peter 3: 1.

This is the reason why the same Paul, speaking about the attitude of the women in the church (1 Timothy 2:11-14) referred to Genesis 3:16.

Paul was not referring to the particular Law of Corinthians. No!

The teachings of Paul can never be based on the rules taught by men. Never! I say never!
“They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.”(Mark 7:7)

3- Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached?”

Indeed, The Word of God didn’t originate with Corinthians. Moreover, they are not the only people it has reached. The Word of God is universal and identical for all the congregations of the Saints. Consequently, Paul did not speak about the particular culture of the Corinthians, insofar as there is only one faith (Ephesians 4: 5)

4- “The Lord's command”

What Paul did say was not his own opinion; it was the Lord’s command. Amen!

Women of God, Do you really Love the Lord? If you truly love Him, then you should obey His command, for the Lord Jesus said:

"If you love me, you will obey what I command.”

John 14:15

Do not harden your heart anymore but leave the pulpit to men of God. Recognize your place! Please recognize that your place is behind! Amen!

The scripture which clearly prohibited the Corinthians and Ephesians women from teaching is the Lord’s command. That is valid for the women of all the congregations of the saints (of any time).

That scripture was valid for Deborah, Anna, Priscilla, Phoebe, Mary, Tryphena, Tryphisa, Euodia, Syntyche and son on.

And it’s valid for the women of today.

May God open your eyes!

Blessings,

Bro. Germain

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Comment by N'ZI Amani Germain on October 9, 2009 at 4:15am
Dear sister Dawn Davidson,

The Bible declares:

« For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables ».

2 Timothy 4:3-4

Dear sister, with all due respect, I would like to tell you that you have turned away your ears from the truth, and you have been turned unto fables!

Blessings,

Bro. Germain
Comment by Dawn Davidson on October 7, 2009 at 4:59pm
Brother Germain,

It's been a long while, hope all is well. If women are not allowed to speak or teach before the presence of men, if God will not recognize her uttered speak according to the authority of his word, then remove the confession of Eve in 3:13 and watch us all, theologically speaking disappear.

God would not and could not further the evil of a fallen, and now because of an arrogant Adam, punished world in the continued presence of no confession. But what you say is that the will of God would have been to mute her.

Which human, I ask you, was God speaking to Genesis 3:15 in recognizing just "seed" and "head?" Was it Adam and the serpent or was it Eve and the serpent? Who was honored in name and title by God, was it an Eve with name meaning "life-giver" in a fallen garden, with title as "mother of all living" or was it an Adam with name meaning "hypocrite, to be ashamed, a mean man of low degree (and not a husband)" and having earned a title which even God refused to speak?

My preference is not to a Paul in reference to the female, a Paul who failed to prove an ability to first know how to rightly line up truth in the garden word. All Paul proves is that despite even the height of his gifting, even he fell down as a blinded victim of the male tradition in the garden word. Let's deal with the Hebrew of the garden word, which if rightly dealt with in the first place, would have prevented all the numerous false teachings we now have regarding the female in the church..

Peace and love.

Dawn
Comment by N'ZI Amani Germain on June 5, 2009 at 12:35pm
Dear sister Yolanda Burton,

You asked :

“Women Bishop: Can someone please show me in the Bible where this is permitted and explain the text?”

Now, if you already know the answer of your own question, why did you ask it then?

Do you intend to argue with the Holy Scriptures?

You said:

“These individuals are suppose to be men of faith,,,but they have alterior motives… I am not a male basher,,,but I a woman of truth and faith, Let;s face it a woman a deliver the word,,,just as a man can”.

Yolanda Burton says that she is “a woman of truth and faith”, whereas some individuals “are suppose to be men of faith,,,but they have alterior motives”.

Why do they have alterior motives?

Because their teachings contrast with your teaching received in your school?

Yolanda Burton said again : “YOU DONT LIKE IT,,,,BUT WE WOMEN ARE PREACHING”

Dear sister, keep on preaching!

No one can prevent you from teaching!

Feel free to do whatever you want !

But, know that the Bibles says:

“For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

2 Timothy 4:3-4

Dear sister, keep on preaching!

But, know that it is your own desire!

Many preachers will demonstrate that a woman can be a Pastor, an Evangelist etc.

But, know that you have gathered around you a great number of teachers to say what your itching ears want to hear.

You assert that you are “a woman of truth and faith”, but let me tell you that you have turned your ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths taught in your cemeteries (seminaries), biblical schools or your broken cisterns which can not hold water.

Has someone impure motives because she/he leans on the old school teaching of the Apostles and Prophets of Jesus Christ?

Dear sister, keep on preaching!

As for me, I will keep on preaching the truth according the Holy Scriptures!

Dear sister, let us read something in the Holy Bible:

“ 13 The messenger who had gone to summon Micaiah said to him, "Look, as one man the other prophets are predicting success for the king. Let your word agree with theirs, and speak favorably."
14 But Micaiah said, "As surely as the LORD lives, I can tell him only what the LORD tells me."
15 When he arrived, the king asked him, "Micaiah, shall we go to war against Ramoth Gilead, or shall I refrain?"
"Attack and be victorious," he answered, "for the LORD will give it into the king's hand."
16 The king said to him, "How many times must I make you swear to tell me nothing but the truth in the name of the LORD ?"
17 Then Micaiah answered, "I saw all Israel scattered on the hills like sheep without a shepherd, and the LORD said, 'These people have no master. Let each one go home in peace.' "
18 The king of Israel said to Jehoshaphat, "Didn't I tell you that he never prophesies anything good about me, but only bad?"
19 Micaiah continued, "Therefore hear the word of the LORD : I saw the LORD sitting on his throne with all the host of heaven standing around him on his right and on his left. 20 And the LORD said, 'Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?'
"One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the LORD and said, 'I will entice him.'
22 " 'By what means?' the LORD asked.
" 'I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said.
" 'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.'
23 "So now the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The LORD has decreed disaster for you."
24 Then Zedekiah son of Kenaanah went up and slapped Micaiah in the face. "Which way did the spirit from [a] the LORD go when he went from me to speak to you?" he asked.
25 Micaiah replied, "You will find out on the day you go to hide in an inner room."
26 The king of Israel then ordered, "Take Micaiah and send him back to Amon the ruler of the city and to Joash the king's son 27 and say, 'This is what the king says: Put this fellow in prison and give him nothing but bread and water until I return safely.' "
28 Micaiah declared, "If you ever return safely, the LORD has not spoken through me." Then he added, "Mark my words, all you people!" »

1 Kings 22:13-28

Beware, true preachers of God will never let their word agree with false doctors, and speak in favour of women’s preaching. Never!

But, they will always imitate Micaiah in spite of the hatred, the hostility and the intimidations of false prophets and false teachers.

They will always say this:"As surely as the LORD lives, I can tell him only what the LORD tells me." Amen!

Today, Modern Ahabs and Jezebels can think that modern Micaiahs have impure motives.

Besides, modern Zedekiahs can slap the modern Micaiahs in the face.

Even, modern Micaiahs will be put in prison and be given nothing but bread and water.

However, like the former Micaiah, the teaching of the modern Micaiahs will always be constant:

“As surely as the LORD lives, I can tell him only what the LORD tells me."
Amen!

Dear sister, this is the reason why I will always reply to your discussion and tell you that according to the Bible, A WOMAN CAN NOT BE A PASTOR, A BISHOP OR AN EVANGELIST .

Dear sister, feel free to do whatever you want, but your insults can never prevent me from preaching the truth to you, BECAUSE I LOVE YOU.

I’m here on the Black Preaching Network to speak the truth in Christ. I’m a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity (1Timothy 2:7).

“So then, men ought to regard us as servants of Christ and as those entrusted with the secret things of God” (1 Corinthians 4:1).

As The Apostle Paul said, I also want to tell you that the appeal I make does not spring from error or impure motives, nor am I trying to trick you. On the contrary, I speak as man approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel. I’m not trying to please men but God, who tests my heart. (1 Thessalonians 2:3-4).

Dear sister Yolanda Burton, you said :

“…Not only that, Deborah, was a Prophetess leader,,,and her husband even made the statement,,,in other words,,,I'll go, if you go with me…”

However, let me tell you that the Bible truly says that Deborah was not the leader of Israel but she was traditionally judging Israel at that time. She was simply a Judge. She was neither the pastor nor the leader of Israel.

Barak was the leader. Barak, a man, the leader was to fight Sisera. Deborah as a prophetess simply did inform Barak about what God wanted him to do.

The prophetess Deborah was not an overseer of a church. The Lord simply gave her a revelation, to show His servant Barak (A MAN) what would soon take place: “Then Deborah said to Barak, "Go! This is the day the LORD has given Sisera into your hands” (Judges 4:14).

See : “…into your hands…”! Yes, into the hands of Barak, A MAN. Amen!

A woman can prophesy (1 Corinthians 11: 4-5). A woman can become a judge. Today, we see everywhere women who are judges and that does not scandalize anybody. It’s simply a profession that they do exert. But in the Assembly of God, women can not hold authority over men.

Barak was to go to war alone but he decided to go with Deborah, a woman who was not entitled to go to war.

The attitude of Barak was to some extent a release of liability, a disengagement.

Of course, today, men who authorize women to teach in their assemblies resemble Barak:

“Barak said to her, "If you go with me, I will go; but if you don't go with me, I won't go."(Judges 4:8)

Let us see what Deborah who knew her true position did say to barak:

"Very well," Deborah said, "I will go with you. But because of the way you are going about this, the honor will not be yours, for the LORD will hand Sisera over to a woman." So Deborah went with Barak to Kedesh, where he summoned Zebulun and Naphtali. Ten thousand men followed him, and Deborah also went with him.” (Judges 4:9-10)

Didn’t Deborah refer to gender bias here? (“For the LORD will hand Sisera over to a woman”) Amen!

"...But because of the way you are going about this, the honor will not be yours, for the LORD will hand Sisera over to a woman..."

Authority belongs to Barak, the man. Deborah knew. Let us listen to an excerpt of her canticle:

“Village life in Israel ceased, ceased until I, Deborah, arose, arose a mother in Israel.”

(Judges 5:7)

Deborah arose like a mother in Israel. Yes A MOTHER!

Women, you are MOTHERS. THIS IS YOUR TRUE POSITION IN THE BODY OF CHRIST. Amen!

Deborah was not an overseer of a church but a MOTHER.

Women, you must labour, you must toil, you must strive, you must pray, you can prophesy, you must intercede; you must endeavour to support the work of God as MOTHERS.

You should not become pastors; your true position has been shown by Deborah. You are mothers.

Indeed, the Bible says: “But women will be saved through childbearing - if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.”

1 Timothy 2:15

This is your true position in Jesus-Christ. As good mothers you ought to teach what is good to your daughters:”

“Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.”

Titus 2:3-5

Old women should not train the younger women to become pastors or to hold authority over men. But they should teach them to become also good mothers, loving their husbands and children, being self-controlled and pure, being busy at home, being kind, and being subject to their husbands.

Women, this is your role as members of the body of Christ. You have many things to do. Then do not usurp the role of the men. Not only you must teach the younger women but also your behavior owes to be a preaching for your husbands:

“Wives, in the same way be submissive to your husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, when they see the purity and reverence of your lives. Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes. Instead, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God's sight. For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to make themselves beautiful. They were submissive to their own husbands, like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her master. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear.

1 Peter 3:1-6

Blessings,

Brother Germain

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