I now understand more and more about this so-call world of "Hip-Hop". I understand now why "Hip-Hop"has really no place in our churches and yet it's slowly creeping in our church doors. After hearing all of this, I will stand behind fellow clergy members by NOT allowing "Hip-Hop" into our churches.

Pastors,Ministers and Church Leaders, would you allow "Hip-Hop" in your churches? Is this a way in keeping our youth in church? I am interested in all feedback concerning this issue.

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Listen to most of the hip hop beats, don't you hear how similar the beat it is to rock music? Whether you like it or not, and whether you agree or not, hip hop is just another form of rock music. The nature of rock music is the devilish beat. Even the lyrics to some so-called Christian hip hop songs are questionable:

"...my dog slipped the pistol grip, blasted caught him in his back and now im rappin in front a this casket now you can't touch this, well, this world is cold" - Gospel Gangstaz, from the "I Can See Clearly" CD. This is straight out of the pits of hell. The beat, the lyrics and all.
Why does the beat make the hip-hop demonic? Still haven't answered the question. I asked this along time ago and none of you will answer it.
I thought I just answered your question, eventhough I do realize that any answer would be unacceptable to you. The devil is very clever, he has been able through the generations to fool the very elect of God. And it is so sad that he has some of us believing that his style of music should be introduced to the church of Jesus Christ. When Jesus spoke to Peter (and to us) that, "...upon this rock I will built My church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it" doesn't mean that the "gates of hell" wouldn't try, it means that even if it does attempt to prevail, it won't prevail. I believe that Christian Hip hop, rock, r&b, country represent this attempt
the beat, what makes it sinful???? answer the question. How can a beat or rythym be sinful? Man is inherently sinful because of the sin in the Garden of Eden, that is why man is sinful. Christ redeemed all believers at the Cross to reverse this. Tell me how a beat can be sinful. Give me the origination of how that became so. Some biblical precedent that proves this to be, not just simply your thoughts on the matter. We are looking for fact. If you don't know, then you don't know, just be honest about it. Stop skating around the question.
Okay. Now we're getting to the meat of the matter. In other words, everything but "gospel standards" is acceptable, right? Or whatever is in your "traditional" hymnal? My question to you, Rev. Miller, is how did these songs become "acceptable standards?" Or perhaps we should simply sing the Psalms set to music? This is the "religious" mindset gone to seed!
Rev. Miller I can understand where you are coming from and to some extent I can see where your argument comes from. However, as a percussionist for over 20 years, I can tell you beats are neither holy or evil, good or bad. As a matter of fact some of the "beats" that quartet songs are based on started off as beats from the military march (which is secular). So based on this assertion quartet music is just as evil as holy hip hop.

Let's move away from the music and into the Bible. One of the requirements for the ark of the covenant was Gold. Now gold in and of itself is not evil. Gold is neutral and has no secular or sacred qualities until that Gold has been used in the service of God. Conversely, when the said Gold is being used in the service of the Devil it becomes evil. However, the attributes of Gold stays the same what changes is what the Gold was used for and to whose service it was dedicated to.

I think the bigger part of the issue is the great generational divide between the old and young and how neither party is willing to move to a place of accepting the other. The old because they have been saved for so long feel as if their way is the right way and their is no other way because if it was good enough for their mother it's good enough for them. The young on the other hand have a tendency to want to build things up on their own without regard for the foundation that has been laid for them. However, the fact remains neither want to budge. What neither understand is both are worshiping God as they perceive him and according to how they know. Take for instance Abraham after sacrificing the ram that was found in the bush he called God or the place where God met him " Jehovah Jireh", however, other writers referred to God using different names such as Jehovah-Nissi because of the different perceptions of God and the place where God met them. It didn't make them wrong because of that, as a matter of fact it gives us a better purview of God and his ability to transcend time and space.

The truth of the matter is if we are going to keep disagreeing about the status of Hip Hop or Rap in the church let's do away with all music all together. Then we won't be able to fight about whether one genre is viable while the other is not. Quite honestly the only churches that ever have this debate is churches in America. Churches in other parts of the world worship God in their own way and using their culture and nobody has a thing to say about it.

Personally, I love the old zion songs of the pentecostal church and the metered hymns of the Baptist church (even though I was just introduced to them by some of my friends who grew up in the Baptist church) they have their place. Sometimes I like to hear Da Truth, Lecrae, and others because they give me and my children the ability to connect so that I can explain to them what he meant when references concepts like worship and they can explain to me what some of the slang terminology means. Until we fix the generational gulf we'll always have these issues and the body of Christ will be stagnate.
Elder Walton,
Once again, you have nailed it. Brother I am really enjoying your posts -- they are well written and fundamentally, Biblically sound!
Yes, Elder Walton,

Sounds you know what you are talking about. Great insight!!!
Brother Walton,

I mentioned earlier during this discussion that it is indeed a matter of traditional worship vs contemporary worship. And I am cognizant of the fact that we will never agree with one another when it comes to this particular topic. I have said and I still say that how you worship in your respective churches is between you and God. Of course you feel that you are right and I feel that I am right. I don't intend to, but I know that I offend a few of you (especially musicians) when I say that Hip-hop music (secular or otherwise) is of the devil, but this is what I believe and how I feel. I believe that hip hop has a place in this world, and that place is the world, not in the church. I am deeply concerned that the so-called gospel hip hop is now using scripture or worst distorting holy scripture, to fit its purpose. You say you love the songs of zion, that's good! If you love those old 100s that's great, because those songs are encouraging and uplifting. But again I don't intend to offend you or anybody else, these so-called gospel hip hop songs in the church have no edifying value, they are musically weak songs, yet they receive high praises from the world (even awards) this clearly does NOT glorify God.
Rev. Miller,

I was not in the least bit offended. For me this is a discussion and not an argument. I respect and understand your views.My stance is this, if it cannot be substantiated in the scriptures that God is not pleased with this musical form (rap), then we cannot of a surety say that it does not glorify God. We must always remember at the place that we agree, which is that Christ is the son of living God. Christ didn't come in the form that the Jewish nation expected him to so they sat in the midst of a God move, but missed a move of God. My friend, I love you with Christian love and pray that God will show you or myself revelation in this area concerning his heart.
Wow. Can you please provide your supporting thesis for this statement?
Rev. Stallings,
I am all too familiar with the works of Mr. Lewis. The "fruit" of his "ministry" caused a near-fatal schism in the church in which I was first ordained. Consequently, I take a dim view of ministries whose primary contribution is finger-pointing and condemnation. I would urge you to take a close look under the hood of any ministry whose purpose seems to be bent on the de-construction (or destruction) of other ministries and/or ministers.

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