The Seventh Day Adventist What do you think of there bible beliefs? Are they right about the Sabbath.

[Tara Robinson]

I don't here much about this church are people misinformed about this church are they truly following the bible some say it an cult people of god tell me what you think.

[Daniel Don Kilty]

The Bible teaches that the Son of God had/has many names and Jesus and Christ are among those widely known. At issue is whether “Michael” is one of them.

SDA’s and I, who am not a member of any denomination, believe that the Son of God [Michael]:
1. and His angels fought with Satan [the dragon] and his angels and cast them out of Heaven.
Revelation 12:7 New International Version (NIV) And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.

2. is the one with whom Satan disputed over the body of Moses when he was resurrected and taken to Heaven before the Incarnation.
Jude 1:9 King James Version (KJV) Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
I remember that the word “angel” means “messenger” so the term “archangel” can mean “chief messenger.” Certainly Jesus Christ is the chief messenger of the gospel and the chief prince in Heaven, both of which are consistent with what is said about “Michael.”

3. is the One who had charge over Israel, was also called I AM, and will deliver every one whose name is written in the Book [of Life] when He returns to Earth in the Second Coming
Daniel 12:1 New International Version (NIV) [ The End Times ] "At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered.

The many references to Jesus, Christ, Michael, I AM, etc. can be correlated through use of multiple translations on http://www.biblegateway.com .

[Tara Robinson]

thank you for that truth my brother.

[Tara Robinson]

you want to follow the truth you know that's in the bible and if god said if we love him we will keep his commandments. The lord will never send you the wrong way you found out about the sabbath because he wanted you to know the truth. I had been apart of Pentacostal and nondenmotional church for yrs and i noticed there was something missing i prayed for yrs that god would lead me to a church that was teaching his truth following that bible. It wasn't until god told me he was moving me to tx and i prayed more about the church home he would have for me well when i moved Nov 06 still waiting trusting and March 07 they knocked on my door and i did bible study with them not knowing what church they were i just was excited about the word and when they invited me to come to church on Saturday i was ok with it as i trusted god with my life he lead me and i followed. So my sister confusion comes when we try and figure it out if you accept the truth and surrender you will have peace. If you decide to attend church on the sabbath i can give you information where to find the church if you need any help with this please let me know i care about your salvation and i want you to find your place in the body and prosper in every way possible as i said i am here if you need me love you Tara.

[Henri M. Parker, PhD]

Peace be unto you.

For your question, yes they are right. I am a Commandment Keeper, in which you cannot be a Commandment Keeper without being a Sabbath Keeper. I am not in the SDA organization, I am not a Jew (that I know of), I am not a Jehovah Witness, and I am not in a cult. In fact, I am holiness.

I agree with the brother 120% Many people are blind and cannot see that the Apostles were beaten and killed for their teachings of the gospel of Jesus Christ. How is it that Jesus himself (our example) kept the Sabbath and feast days, but those that call themselves "christians" (followers of Christ) are not supposed to follow his example, and do the will of his father. The creator that said observe and do these things that I have commanded you throughout your generations forever. Forever doesn't change, nor end. You CANNOT change what God has already established, especially if Jesus himself didn't.

Daniel prophesied of the horn seeking to change times and laws...watch and pray!!

In their time God will open their understanding and their hearts, but you continue in the will of the Lord.

The day will come when these religions will understand that they are not of their own, but derived from their mother, the Catholic Church who admits to changing the day to the "8th day resurrection of Christ - the Lord's Day". Yet they admit the Sabbath's correct day, but chooses to create another day of worship, and command all to do the same, and killed people for teaching anything opposite of that.

All I can say, is study the scriptures for yourself, and ask for understanding.

Peace of God be with you.

[Henri M. Parker, PhD]

John 1:10-13 - He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

[Henri M. Parker, PhD]

Also, you cannot keep the commandments without keeping the Sabbath day. It is impossible.

Here's a couple scriptures to ponder.

James 2:10-12 says For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

1 John 1:4 says "He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."

John writes in the Revelations of Jesus Christ (Revelation 22:14) - Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

So you see, God gives us instructions, but he gives us the choice of freewill. Life or death, blessings or curses, good or evil.

Here is what Jesus said about it:

Matthew 15:7-9, 12-14
Ye hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

Again I say, study the scriptures.

Romans 15:4 - For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

[Pastor Trevor Ducreay]

Seventh Day Adventists are as Christian and evangelical as any other. Instead of trying to find out whether a particular church or denomination is "right" we can just try to find out if a particular teaching is supported by Scripture. Once you start asking about a church or denomination any one who has had a bad experience or heard something negative might feel this is their opportunity to make a statement.
Christians are clearly divided about the issue of whether the Sabbath of the Old Testament applies to Christians today. As far as I am aware most responsible evangelical scholars while defending the long tradition of Christians honoring Sunday nonetheless respect the Adventist position and do not believe they are heterodox in most of their doctrinal statements.
The late Dr Walter Martin put to rest this canard about Adventists being a cult.

But more importantly it is not whether a particular church or denomination is right that should exercise us and command our attention. It is whether we are looking to the one who is always correct in all His ways: Our Lord Jesus Christ. Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith. One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism, One God and Father above ll.

[Adrian Lamar West Sr.]

So are there now 2 lights????

Just a question

[Rabbis Aviyah Byers]

Shalom My Sister!

I am a Hebrew congregational leader. We keep the Commandments of Yahweh and have a true freedom in doing so. We are not SDA, but we do have neighbors who are. I have never heard anything about Yahshuah being Michael from them....I would go on the internet and put in the Truth About Sabbath especially go to the History Channel. I think if you look at this from a historical perspective along with the Scriptures given that it will help you understand what happened. It was Constantine who was the Emperor of Rome and Eusebius who became the first Bishop during the Council of Nicea in 325 BC that changed the day of worship for the church, and they killed and threatened people who tried to continue in the True Sabbath. We are almost 1700 years into this lie that they told and through tyranny they made leaders adopt their quest to change Yahweh's Times and Seasons, so it's no wonder that people don't keep the True Sabbath:

Daniel 7:25 states, "and it (The 4th beast which looks a whole like the roman catholic church) speaks words against the Most High, and it wears out the set-apart ones of the Most High, and it intends to change appointed times and law, and they are given into its hand for a time and times and half a time.

The Creator in 19 books and 145 verses of Scripture tells us to keep His Sabbath. Now I think the question is are we right about the Sabbath or is Yahweh right about the Sabbath. 1 Corinthians 3:11 states, "For no one is able to lay any other foundation except that which is laid, which is Yahshuah Messiah. John 1:1-2, 14 says, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Elohim, and the Word was Elohim. He was in the beginning with Elohim...And the Word became flesh and pitched His tent among us, and we saw His esteem, esteem as of an only brought-forth of a Father, complete in favour and truth."

So we see He was establish complete in favor and truth, and He is spoken of here as The "Word," So if we say that any part of the Word which includes the Seveth Day being the Sabbath is not right then we are in all sense of those words saying that, Yahsuhah did not come in Truth. Bottom-line either He is All Truth or all lie.

Sister, I was not raised a Sabbath keeper, My husband and I were associate ministers in my Dad's church until we were hit in the face with the keeping of Yahweh's Laws starting with the Ten Words or Commandments which are Instructions for life so that we will not live in sin, but that we would have life if we obey them. Salvation comes through Messiah, but there is the salvation 'walk' and that is the walk that was given to our forefathers at the foot of Mt. Sinai. If you have accepted Yahshuah as your Messiah then you are a part of the commonwealth of Israel as stated in Esphesians 2 therefore no longer a stranger from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world (this is the definition of a gentile)

I challenge anyone to search the Scriptures and If Father said "Keep the Sabbath Day and set it apart" then if that is no longer valid the Scripture would have to say "Do not keep the Sabbath Day any longer" or something to that effect.

We couldn't find it anywhere in the Word that we should stop keeping the Sabbath, so we keep it still and teach others to do the same.

If you are interested, I teach and On-line Ancient Foundations Course every Thursday Night est at 7:30 on www.dimdim.com. This course is free and is on a beginners level and gives Scriptural and historical truths. It is very interactive as students are able to ask questions and get a better understanding of the Word from the Hebrew writers of the Scriptures. We go through language, culture and even idioms. If you are interested just send and email to [e-mail] and you will receive the syllabus and course information and can begin right away.

Thank you for asking this question...I pray that Father enlighten you and show you His Ilumination.

Blessings and Shalom!

Scripture for thought:
Numbers 15:15-16

[Tara Robinson]

Thank you so much for sharing this information i started this blog to be a tool to help those who don't know about the Sabbath i presented the question as i have heard others say to try and get people to teach about it and ask questions of course it will draw those who have there own opinion with out really knowing the truth but i pray this will help others who read this blog

[Anna]

Sister:
In case you never saw this article, you need it to enable you to realize that all denominations ADMIT that there is no Biblical text which enjoins believers to reject Sabbath and observe Sunday. The scriptures are irrefutably clear. we are yesterday, today and tomorrow, to: "Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy:

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Roman Catholic and Protestant Confessions about Sunday

The vast majority of Christian churches today teach the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, as a time for rest and worship. Yet it is generally known and freely admitted that the early Christians observed the seventh day as the Sabbath. How did this change come about?

History reveals that it was decades after the death of the apostles that a politico-religious system repudiated the Sabbath of Scripture and substituted the observance of the first day of the week. The following quotations, all from Roman Catholic sources, freely acknowledge that there is no Biblical authority for the observance of Sunday, that it was the Roman Church that changed the Sabbath to the first day of the week.

In the second portion of this booklet are quotations from Protestants. Undoubtedly all of these noted clergymen, scholars, and writers kept Sunday, but they all frankly admit that there is no Biblical authority for a first-day sabbath.

Roman Catholic Confessions

James Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith of our Fathers, 88th ed., pp. 89.

"But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify."

Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism 3rd ed., p. 174.

"Question: Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?

"Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her-she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority."

John Laux, A Course in Religion for Catholic High Schools and Academies (1 936), vol. 1, P. 51.

"Some theologians have held that God likewise directly determined the Sunday as the day of worship in the New Law, that He Himself has explicitly substituted the Sunday for the Sabbath. But this theory is now entirely abandoned. It is now commonly held that God simply gave His Church the power to set aside whatever day or days she would deem suitable as Holy Days. The Church chose Sunday, the first day of the week, and in the course of time added other days as holy days."

Daniel Ferres, ed., Manual of Christian Doctrine (1916), p.67.

"Question: How prove you that the Church hath power to command feasts and holy days?

"Answer. By the very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of, and therefore they fondly contradict themselves, by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same Church.'

James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore (1877-1921), in a signed letter.

"Is Saturday the seventh day according to the Bible and the Ten Commandments? I answer yes. Is Sunday the first day of the week and did the Church change the seventh day -Saturday - for Sunday, the first day? I answer yes . Did Christ change the day'? I answer no!

"Faithfully yours, J. Card. Gibbons"

The Catholic Mirror, official publication of James Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893.

"The Catholic Church, . . . by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday."

Catholic Virginian Oct. 3, 1947, p. 9, art. "To Tell You the Truth."

"For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the[Roman Catholic] church outside the Bible."

Peter Geiermann, C.S.S.R., The Converts Catechism of Catholic Doctrine (1957), p. 50.

"Question: Which is the Sabbath day?

"Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.

"Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?

"Answer. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday."

Martin J. Scott, Things Catholics Are Asked About (1927),p. 136.

"Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that worship should be changed from Saturday to Sunday .... Now the Church ... instituted, by God's authority, Sunday as the day of worship. This same Church, by the same divine authority, taught the doctrine of Purgatory long before the Bible was made. We have, therefore, the same authority for Purgatory as we have for Sunday."

Peter R. Kraemer, Catholic Church Extension Society (1975),Chicago, Illinois.

"Regarding the change from the observance of the Jewish Sabbath to the Christian Sunday, I wish to draw your attention to the facts:

"1) That Protestants, who accept the Bible as the only rule of faith and religion, should by all means go back to the observance of the Sabbath. The fact that they do not, but on the contrary observe the Sunday, stultifies them in the eyes of every thinking man.

"2) We Catholics do not accept the Bible as the only rule of faith. Besides the Bible we have the living Church, the authority of the Church, as a rule to guide us. We say, this Church, instituted by Christ to teach and guide man through life, has the right to change the ceremonial laws of the Old Testament and hence, we accept her change of the Sabbath to Sunday. We frankly say, yes, the Church made this change, made this law, as she made many other laws, for instance, the Friday abstinence, the unmarried priesthood, the laws concerning mixed marriages, the regulation of Catholic marriages and a thousand other laws.

"It is always somewhat laughable, to see the Protestant churches, in pulpit and legislation, demand the observance of Sunday, of which there is nothing in their Bible."

T. Enright, C.S.S.R., in a lecture at Hartford, Kansas, Feb. 18,1884.

"I have repeatedly offered $1,000 to anyone who can prove to me from the Bible alone that I am bound to keep Sunday holy. There is no such law in the Bible. It is a law of the holy Catholic Church alone. The Bible says, 'Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.' The Catholic Church says: 'No. By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week.' And lo! The entire civilized world bows down in a reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church."

Protestant Confessions
Protestant theologians and preachers from a wide spectrum of denominations have been quite candid in admitting that there is no Biblical authority for observing Sunday as a sabbath.

Anglican/Episcopal
Isaac Williams, Plain Sermons on the Catechism , vol. 1, pp.334, 336.

"And where are we told in the Scriptures that we are to keep the first day at all? We are commanded to keep the seventh; but we are nowhere commanded to keep the first day .... The reason why we keep the first day of the week holy instead of the seventh is for the same reason that we observe many other things, not because the Bible, but because the church has enjoined it."

Canon Eyton, The Ten Commandments , pp. 52, 63, 65.

"There is no word, no hint, in the New Testament about abstaining from work on Sunday .... into the rest of Sunday no divine law enters.... The observance of Ash Wednesday or Lent stands exactly on the same footing as the observance of Sunday."

Bishop Seymour, Why We Keep Sunday .

We have made the change from the seventh day to the first day, from Saturday to Sunday, on the authority of the one holy Catholic Church."

Baptist
Dr. Edward T. Hiscox, a paper read before a New York ministers' conference, Nov. 13, 1893, reported in New York Examiner , Nov.16, 1893.

"There was and is a commandment to keep holy the Sabbath day, but that Sabbath day was not Sunday. It will be said, however, and with some show of triumph, that the Sabbath was transferred from the seventh to the first day of the week .... Where can the record of such a transaction be found? Not in the New Testament absolutely not.

"To me it seems unaccountable that Jesus, during three years' intercourse with His disciples, often conversing with them upon the Sabbath question . . . never alluded to any transference of the day; also, that during forty days of His resurrection life, no such thing was intimated.

"Of course, I quite well know that Sunday did come into use in early Christian history . . . . But what a pity it comes branded with the mark of paganism, and christened with the name of the sun god, adopted and sanctioned by the papal apostasy, and bequeathed as a sacred legacy to Protestantism!"

William Owen Carver, The Lord's Day in Our Day , p. 49.

"There was never any formal or authoritative change from the Jewish seventh-day Sabbath to the Christian first-day observance."

Congregationalist
Dr. R. W. Dale, The Ten Commandments (New York: Eaton &Mains), p. 127-129.

" . . . it is quite clear that however rigidly or devotedly we may spend Sunday, we are not keeping the Sabbath - . . 'Me Sabbath was founded on a specific Divine command. We can plead no such command for the obligation to observe Sunday .... There is not a single sentence in the New Testament to suggest that we incur any penalty by violating the supposed sanctity of Sunday."

Timothy Dwight, Theology: Explained and Defended (1823), Ser. 107, vol. 3, p. 258.

" . . . the Christian Sabbath [Sunday] is not in the Scriptures, and was not by the primitive Church called the Sabbath."

Disciples of Christ
Alexander Campbell, The Christian Baptist, Feb. 2, 1824,vol. 1. no. 7, p. 164.

"'But,' say some, 'it was changed from the seventh to the first day.' Where? when? and by whom? No man can tell. No; it never was changed, nor could it be, unless creation was to be gone through again: for the reason assigned must be changed before the observance, or respect to the reason, can be changed! It is all old wives' fables to talk of the change of the Sabbath from the seventh to the first day. If it be changed, it was that august personage changed it who changes times and laws ex officio - I think his name is Doctor Antichrist.'

First Day Observance , pp. 17, 19.

"The first day of the week is commonly called the Sabbath. This is a mistake. The Sabbath of the Bible was the day just preceding the first day of the week. The first day of the week is never called the Sabbath anywhere in the entire Scriptures. It is also an error to talk about the change of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. There is not in any place in the Bible any intimation of such a change."

Lutheran
The Sunday Problem , a study book of the United Lutheran Church (1923), p. 36.

"We have seen how gradually the impression of the Jewish sabbath faded from the mind of the Christian Church, and how completely the newer thought underlying the observance of the first day took possession of the church. We have seen that the Christians of the first three centuries never confused one with the other, but for a time celebrated both."

Augsburg Confession of Faith art. 28; written by Melanchthon, approved by Martin Luther, 1530; as published in The Book of Concord of the Evangelical Lutheran Church Henry Jacobs, ed. (1 91 1), p. 63.

"They [Roman Catholics] refer to the Sabbath Day, a shaving been changed into the Lord's Day, contrary to the Decalogue, as it seems. Neither is there any example whereof they make more than concerning the changing of the Sabbath Day. Great, say they, is the power of the Church, since it has dispensed with one of the Ten Commandments!"

Dr. Augustus Neander, The History of the Christian Religion and Church Henry John Rose, tr. (1843), p. 186.

"The festival of Sunday, like all other festivals, was always only a human ordinance, and it was far from the intentions of the apostles to establish a Divine command in this respect, far from them, and from the early apostolic Church, to transfer the laws of the Sabbath to Sunday."

John Theodore Mueller, Sabbath or Sunday , pp. 15, 16.

"But they err in teaching that Sunday has taken the place of the Old Testament Sabbath and therefore must be kept as the seventh day had to be kept by the children of Israel .... These churches err in their teaching, for Scripture has in no way ordained the first day of the week in place of the Sabbath. There is simply no law in the New Testament to that effect."

Methodist
Harris Franklin Rall, Christian Advocate, July 2, 1942, p.26.

"Take the matter of Sunday. There are indications in the New Testament as to how the church came to keep the first day of the week as its day of worship, but there is no passage telling Christians to keep that day, or to transfer the Jewish Sabbath to that day."

John Wesley, The Works of the Rev. John Wesley, A.M., John Emory, ed. (New York: Eaton & Mains), Sermon 25,vol. 1, p. 221.

"But, the moral law contained in the ten commandments, and enforced by the prophets, he [Christ] did not take away. It was not the design of his coming to revoke any part of this. This is a law which never can be broken .... Every part of this law must remain in force upon all mankind, and in all ages; as not depending either on time or place, or any other circumstances liable to change, but on the nature of God and the nature of man, and their unchangeable relation to each other."

Dwight L. Moody
D. L. Moody, Weighed and Wanting (Fleming H. Revell Co.: New York), pp. 47, 48.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. This fourth commandment begins with the word 'remember,' showing that the Sabbath already existed when God Wrote the law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?"

Presbyterian
T. C. Blake, D.D., Theology Condensed, pp.474, 475.

"The Sabbath is a part of the decalogue - the Ten Commandments. This alone forever settles the question as to the perpetuity of the institution . . . . Until, therefore, it can be shown that the whole moral law has been repealed, the Sabbath will stand . . . . The teaching of Christ confirms the perpetuity of the Sabbath."

[Tara Robinson]

Thanks so much Anna I appreciate you God bless.