Would You As Pastor allow Homosexuals To Frolic In Your Church?

[Andy C Wuhraizer]

Vermont has just okayed what they call "same sex mariages". It is very sad that we humans who are supposed to be the most intelligent creatures on earth, dont even understand or appreciate the sacred purpose of marriage. The reason why God instituted marriage is for reproduction, plus nothing, minus nothing. The sole reason why we are created male and female, or exibit some form of sexuality is to reproduce. If we didnt have to reproduce after our kind, we wont have any devices for sex. Angels dont reproduce and as such are sexless beings. Everything else God put on earth comes in pairs of male and female. Even birds know this. Have you ever gone bird-watching and seen two male birds weaving a nest and trying to raise a family?
You dont have to be a rocket scientist in order to understand that another man's behind was neither designed by God nor evolution for sex. The anus is not a sexul organ, period. So that if you want to use a body feature designed to accomplish one task for a completely senseless one then there is something wrong with your perception. You are like the man who sees a deer and calls it an elephant. Something is wrong upstairs!! What is the purpose of a so called same sex marriage. Sexual pleasure so they speak. But pleasure is not the purpose for sex.The pleasure part is secondary. God made sex pleasurable, why? Because if it had felt like surgery, you would have to hold a gun to your partner's head to have children. Homosexuals have taken the "purpose" out and are going gang-ho after the "pleasure".WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT PLEASURE-SEEKING IN THE LAST DAYS?
As A pastor the only way I would allow a homosexual in my congregation if they understand that homosexuality, just all other deviations , is wrong and they came to church to seek help like all of us do. But if a homosexual shows up in church all cocky and full of gay pride and trying to peddle his ware in the church, I will chase him out with a baseball bat!!! lol!
You just said "wow, he hates homosexuals!", right? Wrong. As a pastor you cant hate anybody because of their sin.It will be like a Doctor hating a patient because the latter has a form of cancer the Doctor dreads.But if the patient tells the Doc, "Leave my cancer a lone. I was born with it, and I am proud of it." Well, then get out of the hospital! I dont hate homosexuals, I hate homosexuality. You dont hate the sinner, you hate the sin. You have to hate the sin enough to be able to help the sinner. On the other hand if you love the sin, you yourself might just get caught up in it.I consider it a disgrace to the human race that we allow behavior that even some animals shy away from.

[John]

You seem to be stuck on a Title and not the Word. Once again this is my final answer and hope you understand this. It was named so because of the King of England and his era at that time. Is the title, pages, numbers that big a deal to you are the Word. I asked you before what bible do you have that says written by God or has His Name on the title. Your Hebrew Bible has Hebrew and who helped nailed Jesus to the cross. Which is worse? I say this to say stop the small stuff and read the Word. I said God is the author of the Bible and stick by that and God is the one that had those men translate His Word and I stick by that. Do you think Moses wrote the books he did or did God tell/inspire him? You keep coming back at me with your own nonsense but to you it make sense right? LOL Just go when you have time to the new post I said I'd do on" Inception of the King James Bible Part I and II and use your own thoughts about it as we always do.

[Brotha Seeking the Truth]

"Get your dates correct because it was dated 1611."

Sir, the name "King James Version" wasn't dated 1611. Like I said, that didn't happen until the late 1800's.

Below is a statement from one of Mr. Moreh's replies to your Inception Part II post.

In the United States, the Authorized Version is known as the King James Version. The earliest appearance in print of the phrase "authorized version", to mean this particular version of the bible, was published in 1824. The phrase 'King James version' first appeared in print in 1884.

[John]

If you see that Moreh and I discussed this what is your point it doing so? It's been established so I guess you need stroking. Thank you Brotha! I see I was wrong and your were right. I apologize.

[Brotha Seeking the Truth]

Sir, my point was that I don't recall you two discussing this issue.

After he posted those statements, your only reply at the time of this post was, "Isn't this the same thing I sent or it's in another that I have. I'll check. Thanks."

If you two have discussed this issue elsewhere on this board, then it is I who owe you an apology.

[John]

Apologies aren't necessary my Brother. We are here to share and learn to give God the glory.

[Kelcey L. Benton]

I have to say that if I was a Pastor I would allow a homosexual to come to church, for one thing, it is wrong to turn anyone away just because of the sin they are dealing with; the bible says love the sinner, hate the sin, and coming from someone who was in the homosexual lifestyle for 16 years, until I got delivered in 2006, I have to say that it is wrong to allow gay marriages, I will not support that kind of mess, and it seems like to me that society has acccpeted homosexuality than ever. As long as the homosxual does not start cating "crazy" then they would be more than welcome to come to church, and I will say this, if you know someone in your congreagation that is struggling with the spirit of homosexuality, I encourage you that has posted a reply to love them, and pray for deliverence from that spirit, because you will never know why some people got the spirit of homosexuality in their spirit; some people may have been molested, or just felt like that they did not get enough love from their own family members because they were being riddlculed for living that lifestyle. Just know that they need PRAYER AND NEED TO BE LOVED!

[Adrian Lamar West Sr.]

Minister elect kelcey benton/ where does the BIBLE teach to love the sinner and hate the sin?????????

[Lonnie Kluttz]

Pastor Andy,

I just read this blog and I haven't read every responce...but I have this question. If you feel this strongly about someone being homosexual, what do you do with the other sinners in your church. In other words, adultry is a sin, murder is a sin, idolitry is a sin, and so on. But it seems that people pick and choose what sin is ok and which one isn't. don't hold yourself so high that you forget that you were/are a sinner and that you were delivered. The homosexual can be delivered too!!!!!! Maybe God sent them there for them to hear the word from you to be delivered!!!!!!!

God Bless

[Andy C Wuhraizer]

I am replying to this because i see that you are new and have not been following the debate as I framed it. I have constantly repeated that all sinners, including homosexuals(who by the way believe they are sinners) can be saved and are welcomed in the church. However there are the homosexuals who claim their sin is right, in other words the say "there is nothing wrong with homosexuality. It is righteousness itself," to extend that they want to legalize homosexual marriages.
Now my posting is about the PURPOSE of the so called Gay marriages. None of the homosexual respondent have so far answered that question, because they have no answers. Instead they've taken everyone on a roller coaster of issues. We are talking apples, they want to discuss oranges because they have no clue what an apple looks like.
When a man marries a woman, there is a purpose: to have kids and raise a family. When a bird meets another bird of the opposite sex and they come together , they want to raise a family. All animals , deer, elephants, buffalo, wartogs , even fish and insects know that a male always goes with a female for the purpose of reproduction.
God gave the male seed to plant into fertile soil so it will germinate. THE HOMOSEXUAL IS LIKE THE MAN WHO DECIDED TO PLANT HIS SEED ON A ROCK, JUST FOR THE FUN OF IT."What harvest is he expecting?
What is the purpose of a homosexual marriage, thats the focus of this debate. Nothing!! The best the answer is "well, we get to smear each other with faeces". Thats all. Excrement is the purpose of this kind of marriage.
The bible says homosexuality is an abomination in God's sight. So God has delivered them to a reprobate mind. That is a curse. Because these guys are under a curse, they can never understand The truth off God's word. They cant answer any questions regarding homosexuality , so they divert the issues to other sins, adulterer, they call me.Where they got that from only their father Satan knows. But even when an adulterer marries an adultress, there is still a purpose. They will produce kids, whilst the "righteous" homosexual will be wallowing in his fellow man's faeces. Faeces stink atrocious, I dont even like my own poop, how can I stand another man's.
So that is the point, tell me the purpose of a homosexual marriage.
The homosexuals dont seem to have any clue as to the use of their body parts. Every part of the body was designed for a purpose , says the Word, the eye cannot take the place of the ear. The hand cannot take the place of the leg., so the anus was designed to accomplish a purpose other than sex. Does the homosexual know this? No!!
So next time I check into a restaurant and see a man cut a piece of steak and drops his pants and is trying to shove the steak up his anus, I know he is a homosexual. If I encounter a man of the highway driving his car sitting on his head and looking at the road with his buttocks, I know he is a homosexual. If I see my neighbor mowing his lawn with a fryinng pan, i know he is a homosexual. Why? Because they simply cannot identify the use of body parts and so I believe objects in general.Thanks my friend.

[Adrian Lamar West Sr.]

My brothers, I should have clarified my statement, I meant that they could not hold certain offices....Thanx for the clarification.........

[Andy C Wuhraizer]

Thank you all my friends!! Its been a pleasure starting and furthering this conversation up to date, but i shall no longer post anything regarding this debate. I have loftier things to occupy my attention. I am moving forward with work the Lord called me to do. I wont spend precious time arguing back and forth on this issue. I will fight it elsewhere, as the Lord leads.
My friends can continue to contact and I will continue to send private messages. Thanks and God bless you all.

[Adrian Lamar West Sr.]

BYE