The Bible teaches that, "Truth crushed to the ground is rising again!" (Ps. 85:11 PP). A part of that truth that is springing forth from the earth is the truth about God and women. Scripture tells us that the 'the letter killeth, the spirit giveth life' (2 Cor. 3:6). A lot of things are written in Scripture that seemingly forbid women participation in the church. However, research has found that Paul's words were taken out of context and in fact, had more to do with protocol going on in the newly established churches of that time.

In the meantime, God's wisdom has taught me many things with regard to His will for women. The first thing taught is that God's will was always for 'men and women' to speak and Glorify His name everywhere, including in the church. Let us remember the original word from God concerning 'Adam/man' and 'Adam/woman' (Note:Scripture tells us that God originally referred to the man and woman as 'Adam' (Gen. 5:2) Adam then called the 'woman,' 'woman' and God honored that (Gen. 2:23-24). It was only after the fall that the 'woman' was named 'Eve' (Gen. 3:20). Talk about the '3 faces of Eve,' eh?

At any rate, the original will of God was 'equality' for man and woman. Scripture tells us that 'God put His Spirit in both WOMEN and men' (Mal. 2:15). As so, if the spirit of the Living God abides in women just as it does in men then it is impossible that God would mean, 'women can't speak or preach in church' for how else can one express the power, might, glory of God but by speaking it?

Where else can we glorify God amongst our own but in the church? Besides, Scripture says, 'the body is the temple of the Lord' and therefore we must glorify God in our 'Temple/body.' How much more shall we glorify God amidst a united temple of believers who dwell in church buildings? (1 Cor. 3:16). It is wrong to teach otherwise. The original command was 'God blessed, 'THEM', not just HIM but HER as well and stated, 'have dominion (subdue with kindness) the Earth and all that is therein" (Gen. 1:26-28). That's 'dominion' over the Earth and NOT each other.

Now, that said, the function of men and women is quite different. Masculinity does act as a figure head, that Femininity just naturally yields to within a marriage setting. I cannot tell you how many women want to feel protected with a strong, intelligent, righteous man. Unfortunately, with men so screwed up today, they are going to stay in 'want.'

At any rate, this function is proper in a marriage setting alone. Amidst that setting, the woman enjoys playing the nurturer, co-counselor in all 'decision' making aspects for Scripture says, 'it was not good for man to be alone' (Gen. 2:18). What that means is, not only physically alone, but as well alone, in making decisions. Hence, God would emphasize the importance of the woman's role when God brought His creation 'woman' to man. He more or less told Adam, 'now listen, you've been enjoying naming animals and the such, but now, this wonderful creation 'woman' is not for you to 'take authority over' in the sense that you have had the joy of naming animals I brought to you. She is now co-namer of all things with you. She is your equal and you must listen and heed her wisdom as that which is as great and important to your survival than your own thinking. In fact, she is your survival, your 'helper!' You cannot mentally, spiritually, etc, function right without her wise input!' (Gen. 2:24).

God seemed to instinctively know that He would have to strongly get that point across to the man as if he didn't, trouble would surely, erupt. Through the subsequent actions with regard to the 'fall', we see God was right to emphasize the importance of equality. That is, the first thing Adam did after the fall was 'blame' 'God and the woman.' He stated, 'it was that WOMAN that YOU gave me who is responsible for this' (Gen. 3:12).
That un-repentant mindset of Adam was passed down to men and to this day, men 'blame and fault' women for the wrongs of the world. Women in Scripture have always been portrayed from a negative perspective. In fact, women have been lied upon and blasphemed (Rev. 13:6).

For instance, Mary Magdalene has always been portrayed as a 'prostitute' when research now tells us that she was not. The same thing with 'Rahab'. Research now finds out that her alleged 'prostitution' was in reality, idol worship. Yeah sure, that Philistine woman, Delilah seduced Samson but he was just as guilty for going after that worldly type of woman in the first place. However, preachers curse her more than Samson's stupid, downright ridiculously flaunted 'worldly' behavior amidst being spirit-filled. (Jud. 13-16).

At any rate, back to the 'fall' and the different mentality that was about the man versus the woman. The woman fessed up to her wrongs. She admitted that she willfully listened to the deceiving serpent (Gen. 3:13). In so doing, she left no un-repentant ground for Satan to use. This is why righteous women throughout Scripture have always been the first to know of, and proclaim the might of God. Just look at the case of Samson's mother. The angel came to her, and she preached the truth to her husband, who doubted and was later visited by the angel (Judg. 13:2-25).

God's spirit was in Deborah and she was 'Judge' of all Israel (Judgs. 4). This truth alone, proves that God could not have meant that 'women shouldn't preach' as this woman not only preached, but led the whole nation.
Remember, Scripture says, 'God is the same today, yesterday and forever' (Heb. 13:8). Meaning, He did not mean for only these women of Old Testament Biblical history to lead and preach. Just look at the greatest miracle in American history, the woman Harriet Tubman. She bore witness that God raised 'HER' up. 19 times she went into the south and freed groups of God's enslaved people and 19 times, she successfully came out with men, women and children. No man, equalled what this valiant woman of God did. See then, God through his 'actions' is teaching us that 'He uses whom He will and His will is for women to preach, teach, prophesy and do exploits.' (Dn. 11:32).

Also, because of the King Barack's 'doubt and fear' during the reign of Deborah, the spirit of the Lord used the might and strength of the woman Jael to shame the 'man's' weakness and fear. Yes, Jael is the 'woman' song and praised throughout the ages for bringing down the enemy King Sisera (4:17-24). Can we hear a "Michele's in the white house representing?" :-)

Again, God's spirit is in both men and WOMEN and niether were meant to be constrained via demented males purposely misinterpreting the role of women. Male's misinterpretation stifled and destroyed many a good woman. Also, let us remember that God's testimony is, 'I hate divorce (Mal. 2:15). Yet, out of love and concern for women God allowed divorce in order to stop men from destroying women (Mal. 2:15).


In other words, 'divorce' was a gifted weapon from God to women. Fallen male's treatment of women can destroy the woman's role and function and so wreak havoc on planet earth. This happened in the past and it is happening today. In fact, it is prophesied that the anti-Christ will have no 'desire for women' (Dn. 11:37).

It is the spirit of Satan working through the hardhearted, un-repented mindset of fallen males. That 'Adam-ic' 'blame God and women' mentality is seen in males mistreatment of women worldwide. See, when Adam did not take responsibility for what he did, that part of his mindset became 'corrupted fertile ground.' As a result, Satan has had a field day using males to destroy God's precious creation, woman.

Just look at the so-called religion of Islam. The woman is oppressed and sorely afflicted. In Africa, the woman is chattel. The same with Asian nations. The male's warped, twisted mindset with regard to women keeps women and those nations steeped in darkness, chaos, destruction and death. This is the state of mind Adam unleashed for Satan to abuse when he did not repent of his evil participation in the fall and instead, 'blamed God and the woman' (Gen. 3:12).

Yet, we saw God's remedy towards Adam's action of standing there allowing the woman to be deceived (Gen. 3:1-8). God stepped in as husband to the woman and stood the ground that Adam should have stood by immediately expelling the serpent. At any rate, the serpent thought God's wrath would be upon the woman. However, instead, God stood up for the woman and informed the serpent that He too, would use the same trusting nature of the woman to bring down Satan's evil that he had just pulled off. In other words, God is proclaiming, "He still loves and cherishes the magnificent 'woman' He created."

However, let me say this, God did warn the woman of one of the consequences of her disobedience, he stated with regard to her husband Adam, 'your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall have rule over you' (Gen. 3:16). Male preachers have erroneously taught that that means God was giving the man 'rule over the woman.' However, reality is, God was warning the woman that the once 'equality' relationship she had with her husband in the garden was now 'destroyed'. The man would take 'illegal' rule over the woman. She would think or desire to be like it once was, but it was no more.

At any rate, God would use a woman to bring forth the redeemer to get back what Adam had just given away (Gen. 3:15). God would also 'put enmity' between Satan and the woman. Meaning, though Satan now had fertile ground to use the man's un-repentant state, the righteous women throughout the ages would be the key vessels used by the Most High to destroy the works of the devil.

Hence, we are told of mighty women used by God. There was Miriam the prophetess and leader of Israel right along with her brother Aaron and Moses. (Ex. 15:20; Mic. 6:4; etc.). Ruth and Naomi would come forth obediently setting the stage for the birth of King David who would be a type of Christ (Ruth 4:13-22). Esther would come forth and be the vessel God would use to stop a satanic genocide (Est.). Rahab a gentile African woman would be used to destroy idolatrous Canaanite factions (Josh. 2). Etc.

On and on the list would go of women being used mightily by God. As well, prophecy says in the last days, 'God would pour out His spirit on our sons and DAUGHTERS' (Joel 2:28-29). God said, the 'daughters' i.e. females i.e women would prophesy.' Well how can women prophesy i.e speak the profound truths of God if they are not allowed to 'speak or preach' in the church? Besides, in the New Testament this prophecy was fulfilled as Scripture makes mention of the 4 DAUGHTERS of Phillip 'prophesying' (Acts 21:9; 2:17). Again, the 'letter' i.e. 'written word' killeth but the Spirit through it 'actions' towards women gives life and truth with regard to God's will for women.

As so, on Pentacost, the Holy Spirit sure didn't believe women couldn't preach as the Holy Spirit came upon men and WOMEN and both were heard to be speaking the wisdom of God (Acts 2:17).

Not only that, prior to pentacost it was 'women' who were the first to know of, and speak the might and praises of God with regard to the Messiah's entrance on planet earth. Whereas, disobedient man was unaware of what was going on with regard to prophecy. Just read Luke's account of Elizabeth and Mary whose Hebrew name is Miriam. (Luke 1:39-56;) The fact is, the man Zachariah was stricken deaf and dumb for his 'unbelief' but not so, with the women. They with a loud voice, proclaimed, preached, annouced, and praised God before all of heaven for the miracle messiah that was now on Earth residing in the womb of young Mary/Miriam (Lk. 1:18-25).

Also, know this, it was women alone, who were the FIRST to know of the resurrected Christ (Matt. 28:1-11). It was none other than angels of the Most High, and Jesus himself, who commanded 'WOMEN' in the form of Mary Magdalene and the other 'women' to PREACH the first resurrection message (Mk. 16:1-8). The fact is, the might and righteousness of women gave them the strength to go to the tomb with intent to fulfill the Hebrew burial laws of God come what may, soldiers or no soldiers.

Whereas, the men were all cowardly hidden away. However, the women's fearless strength caused them to be the FIRST to PREACH of the resurrection. How then can preacher's erroneously preach that 'women must be silent, can't speak or preach?' The fact is, Paul must, have meant something else as he himself, often commended women preachers.

There was priscilla who was called an apostle right along with her husband (Acts 18:2, 18.26; Rom. 16:3). Phoebe was called a 'servant' but the Greek word for 'servant' was 'minister or preacher' (Rom. 1:16). Oh, and what happened to the many women on Pentacost who were baptized in the Holy Spirit? (Acts 2:17). Do you think they just kept silent after that day? No! It would have been a sin if they had. Instead, they too, went forth 'preaching and teaching.' We know that there were active spiritual groups run by women as Paul came upon the woman Lydia (Acts 16:14). Of a surety, she and the women with her were baptized in the Holy Spirit (Acts. 16:14-15).

In all these matters, please know of a certainty, that the 'letter' of the word taught erroneously has been a violation of God's will with regard to women. Women, like men, were ordained by Jesus/Yahshua Himself, to "go into all the world and PREACH' the gospel' (Mk. 16:15-18).

Bottom line, as all are baptized in the Holy Spirit, then 'all,' meaning both men and 'women,' should preach the word of God to a lost and dying world. We should not forsake the assemblying of ourselves together. We must come together as righteous men and WOMEN to preach, teach, prophesy within the church (Heb. 10:25).. It is the will of God. As such,, who can withstand it and prevail?!

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1. "Why didn't God put enmity between man and the serpent?"

Why Lisa, don't you know that their answer is 'enmity between the 'woman' and the 'serpent' doesn't mean 'woman' as is stated rather, it means 'the church which is comprised of men and women'.

The only part when God means 'woman' is when Scripture proclaims 'he (man) shall have rule over thee 'woman'."

Oh yes girl, I've heard many males breaking it down just like that......unbelieveable, eh? :-) Or as Scripture would put it, 'brilliant men like such can justify their every inconsistency." (pp).

By the way, I have been following you, Dawn and Trevor's conversation in seeking to enlighten. Although this minister may not receive it, I am becoming even more enlightened. I'm sure others are as well.
How can you say Church when it was not even established at the Time??

enlightened on what another New Aged Doctrine?????????

Did God use Woman to Establish his CHURCH?????

Come on yall know better than that.............
Elaine,

Girl you hit the nail on the head with that one, first time I heard how they seek to explain that particular passage. Totally ridiculous.

This is the part that you wrote which is simply precious:

The only part when God means 'woman' is when Scripture proclaims 'he (man) shall have rule over thee 'woman'."

If the reality of it didn't hurt us so much I might even say it was hilarious!

Peace and love,

Dawn
No the Commandment did not come from her/ yet in the second and third verse of GENESIS chapter three clearly states that she knew the COMMANDMENT..WOW

Now answer this could Adam have been so busy with work that Eve had a chance to converse with the Serpent????
Or rather if she would have been comforting/working as her Husband was ?????

You say that Adam was charged by God to keep and dress the Garden/
So was Eve's Job to talk and be a busy body instead of preparing a place for Adam...

She (EVE) regarded the Food as good for nothing because she was knowlegable about the Commandment...........

If Adam had been as you say Eating from the Tree all along/ then why did God wait until both had Eaten to pronounce Judgement???????

Adam chose to adulterateGod's 'word and he did it purposefuly in mind to selfishly guard the tree for himself alone.......
You are way out there/ way outthere/ yet you can give no scripture to the fact that what you are saying is even remotely TRUE.

Lean not to your own understanding sista......

You say alot but have proven nothing as to this Heretical Doctrine that you are trying to prove...........

I have in NO way confered the traditions of MEn unto you/ but you have shown this new-aged Lesbianic doctrine

Do you know what the Word says about Holding Fast your Traditions??????????
Brother West,

Wow. So now I am a lesbian? Thank you, I will take my hits because I know God will bless me. I can't even address that except to say that it is a crude and very unnecessary remark to make about a group of people and it has no place in this conversation. I am really beginning to see a reflection of you that is not of God. There is a way to address this and a way not to address this and you just blew it on that one brother.

Why do you keep resorting to "imagining" what this word says, statements such as "could Adam have been so busy with work that Eve had a chance to converse with the Serpent????"

Yet the word clearly states in 3:6 that Adam was present with Eve during her temptation by the serpent. If he were such a good "husband" (although according to the Hebrew Adam specifically is never rightly identified as a "husband" in the garden, only a "man" as in an "Adam" meaning to be made humiliated and ashamed) then why was he not planting a seed into his wife according to the desire of God? And what was he so busy doing, moving fruit around? You are imaging this, stop, read the word and deal with the written details.

Eve did not have to prepare a "place" for Adam, God already did. Save for sex itself God gave Adam everything he could/should have rightly desired or wanted by His own very Hand. What are you crying about on behalf of Adam? You are now thinking about the garden with a mind-set effected after the fall. There was no garden lack of supply or physical comfort in their environment. We are talking about the Garden of Eve, you cannot rightly attach a "lack" mentality to it, that is unless you are referring to the "lack" of truth walked in by a garden Adam which was according to his own mind-set and certainly not as given by God.

Further, I never said that Adam was eating from the tree all along, what I said and say, is that Adam had been engaging in sin all along, so that he ate of the fruit was of no regard, he had already personally fallen, long before the female. Adam's true fall occured in 2:23. Only Eve fell for the first time in 3:6.


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No the Commandment did not come from her/ yet in the second and third verse of GENESIS chapter three clearly states that she knew the COMMANDMENT..WOW


And regarding who did what about the fruit, it is clear that the command was given directly to Adam in 2:17. It was Adam's assignment to then correctly and obediently deliver that same word to Eve, who was yet to even be created by God. So, given that this female was alone honored by God in name and title, we know she did not lie in 3:3. All she confessed to before God was about being tricked by the serpent into eating the fruit. Never lying. So if she offered no confession regarding lying in the face of God, and that same God, who is our God yet fully forgave her, and even placed honor upon her, in both name and title in 3:20, then the female clearly did not lie. To say she lied is to call God a lie. Her only source for information regarding the tree was Adam. The same Adam who was present during her temptation and yet said nothing, although fully knowing the truth, that the fruit could be touched, only not eaten.

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If Adam had been as you say Eating from the Tree all along/ then why did God wait until both had Eaten to pronounce Judgement???????


So glad you asked the question. Again however, I have never said that Adam was eating from the tree all along, only that he was engaged in sin all along, (refusing the right name of the female, changing his own name from "Adam" to "man", lying to the female). Before we reached Genesis 3:6, Adam was already a fallen man. Which gets us to the point. God did not return to pronounce judgment upon the man prior to 3:6 because there was yet still an equal being in the garden who had not yet sinned, she alone was still walking in the Righteousness of God and guess what? The earth had not fallen! The world fell when Eve ate of the fruit and that God returned even only after Adam ate the fruit is of no regard in and of itself as Adam was already steeped in sin. The only thing that mattered at that point is that the female just fell.

And you are telling me about holding fast to traditions? Are you serious? Ha.

Peace and love.
Dear brother Trevor!

I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ.

2 Corinthians 11:3

Please, read again my message entitled: "WOMEN OF GOD, ARE YOU REALLY CONSCIUOS OF THE KEY ROLE THAT YOU OUGHT TO PLAY IN THE BODY OF CHRIST?"

May God enlighten you !

Bro. Germain
One truth that is never mentioned when speking of men and women/

If a man finds a wife HE finds a good thing..

everyone is not meant to be preachers/ yet once the Holy Ghost comes we are all endued with the power to be witnesses.
Just as Mary, Mary, and Solome' were on the first day of the week.......
Both men and women can and are able to preach.
Scripture reference please????????????
I dont think we need a scripture reference with everything. It should be a given.
That makes it man made and not of Yah!!!!!!!
The only thing given is that the truly repentant shall be forgiven/ John 3:16......

and yes we do need Scripture to base the things we do ,if we do not we operate out of the Masters will.
Hmmm...Thats interesting.

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