the church says, tell us lies

[Preacher]

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
the bible teaches us that those who were beheaded, what does this mean? will Christians in these days be beheaded?, of course not, so what dose this verse mean?
here God is telling us that those who teach the true gospel will be shunned, or in a way made to be quiet, as if they have been beheaded,John the Baptist was beheaded to shut him up,he was beheaded physically, well in this country that won't happen, but they if you are a true child of God, and you tell people the truth about the bible, how God is no longer using the churches to proclaim the word of God, and that he has called us out of the churches, and that women were not allowed to teach or preach or usurp authority over the man in the congregation, you will find yourself being asked to leave a church for telling the truth these last days.

in a sense you will be beheaded,the bible says they will not endure sound doctrine.

2nd Timothy 4:3For the time will come when they will not take the true teaching; but, moved by their desires, they will get for themselves a great number of teachers for the pleasure of hearing them;
here God is telling us that in the last days, now, that people will not want the truth of the gospel, they will ask to have smooth words preached top them, like the Oprah-Ology or the false gospel of Osteen-ism, they don't want to hear about hell and damnation,judgment and such things,the bible tells us here Isaiah 30:10 Who say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Do not give us word of what is true, but say false things to give us pleasure:

you see the prophesy of God here, has come to pass exactly as he said it would.

[Preacher]

The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candles ... sticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are ... the seven churches." "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit .saith unto the churches." 7 churches represent God's plan to send out the gospel by means of the churches of the New Testament churches.

[Adrian Lamar West Sr.]

It does not say too come out of her does it?

[Pastor Rodrick Sweet,ThM]

You have to read the church in this passage! If you start with Ch 17 John is talking about a city name Babylon, this is picked up in ch 18 John is now telling the people of God to come out of the city of Babylon ref. v.2 of ch. 18.. Are you saying that Babylon is a metaphor for the church? If so what view is this. I understand the four major on eschatology. For one or more the call to come out is a call to come out of the Church Rome, but that too is not the best understanding of the passage. Help me understand your views......

[Preacher]

God is not talking about a city spiritually, he's using a city to make a statement about the churches of today,
Babylon is the church,just as Judea is the church, and the churches are referred to with a few other names God uses.
the bible is a spiritual book,it has all spiritual meanings, Jesus didn't just curse a fig tree because it was a fig tree,Jesus could have caused figs to grow on that tree..right?
but the fig tree is a picture of national Israel that rejected him.

the fruit represents salvation and the true gospel.they were not producing fruit of righteousness through faith is Christ, they rejected him,and thus was under the curse of God for unbelief.

God Bless

[Pastor Rodrick Sweet,ThM]

As I have stated before this chapter undoubtedly includes an actual city that will be rebuilt on the Euphrates and a politico-commercial system that becomes the means and basis of a new worldwide religious system by which the beast will be worshipped Rev. 13. You recall, the beast brings about his own worship by his control of commerce, or buying and selling.
The chief element of Babylon emphasized in this chapter is commerce on a worldwide scale, i.e., international or multinational organizations. In chapter 17 the beast and his allies in politico-commercial Babylon destroy religious Babylon, or apostate Church. So to say that every church today is an apostate church is outlandish at best. Due to the fact that today there are a multitude of worldwide organizations and dare I say misguided believers already devoted to the concept of antichrist and are also already speaking of the overthrow of the present religious systems including Judaism, Roman Catholicism, and Protestantism. But by contrast in this chapter it is God who overthrows commercial Babylon.
Please note the announcement is made by another angel. Please note four things about this angel. First, he is “another” angel. “Another” is {allos} meaning another of the same kind as those angels that preceded him. This is not the Lord nor is there any reason to see this as the Lord since angels do have great power and often display great glory. Second, that “he comes down from heaven” points to the fact this judgment comes from God. Third, he has “great authority.” “Authority” is {exousia} which means “liberty, or authority” and then “power to act.” As an angel and messenger of God, he comes possessing supernatural authority and power to execute judgment on behalf of God. Fourth, “the earth was illumined with his glory.” Literally the Greek says “and the earth was made bright from or out of the source of his glory.” Grammatically it may also mean “by his glory.” The word “illumined” is the Greek phôtizô; a causative verb meaning to “illuminate or make bright.” What then are the implications for us to day?
(1) God is absolute light, perfect holiness or righteousness and justice. In Him there can be no darkness 1 John 1:5.
(2) The angel’s glory and splendor is a derived glory. He comes expressing God’s glory and holy wrath against sin.
(3) The earth is now under Satan and the beast which is the epitome of evil and darkness.
(4) The coming of the angel from heaven illumined with glory symbolizes what God is doing. In His holiness, God is making the world fit to live in by removing the prime source of evil and darkness, commercial Babylon.
In verse 2 the fall of Babylon is repeated. He says “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great.” This is done primarily for emphasis, but as mentioned before, it may also represent the fall of Babylon religiously (chapter 17) and then commercially (chapter 18).
In the second part of verse 2 we are told that Babylon is demonic to the core. This is stressed in three statements: (1) “The dwelling place of demons” (the Greek stresses this as a permanent place). (2) “A prison of every unclean spirit” (cf. Eph. 2:2; 1 John 4:6 where demons are called spirits), (3) “and a prison of every unclean and hateful bird.” This third description is probably an allusion to Matthew 13:31-32 where birds may refer to demonic leaders operating in the apostate church.

[Pastor Rodrick Sweet,ThM]

My dear friend I will no longer be engaged in this disscusion due to all the missinterpretation use to study the text. I know that I will be attacked by what I'm about to say. 1. Many of you in this dissicusion use an allegorical approch to studying the Bible. An Allegorical approch is the approach which assigns a higher-than-literal interpretation to the contents of a text. This is not best way to pratice our hermeneutics. With that I bow out is this for now. I will check you all out later...

[Adrian Lamar West Sr.]

Duckonia, please answer my questionfrom before how can Yeshua exist outside of himself????????

Youargued with Nasvism about the church being saved/yet you say we are caled out of it............

Again how caan he exist outside of himself?????????????

[Adrian Lamar West Sr.]

Now how can he exist out of himself??????????????

Babylon is a cityor system/ i believe you are in error/ because the Church is the Body/ believers/
christianity/religion is a false system...........James write about true religion.........and undefiled before YAH..........

[Adrian Lamar West Sr.]

It is not in the WORD of Yah so to take it's definition to add to make believe something is there is Adding to the Word....Bingo

And by adding to The Word you make yourself of none avail in the Kingdom.......Bingo

[James Pierce]

The word rapture isnt in the English bible, but the event is still to take place. The debate isnt if there will be a rapture, rather, the debate is WHEN will the rapture take place. I am going to agree with scripture and say that this great event will take place at the SECOND COMING of Jesus.

[James Pierce]

LOL I love you brotha

[James Pierce]

no im not! lol