The Bible teaches that, "Truth crushed to the ground is rising again!" (Ps. 85:11 PP). A part of that truth that is springing forth from the earth is the truth about God and women. Scripture tells us that the 'the letter killeth, the spirit giveth life' (2 Cor. 3:6). A lot of things are written in Scripture that seemingly forbid women participation in the church. However, research has found that Paul's words were taken out of context and in fact, had more to do with protocol going on in the newly established churches of that time.

In the meantime, God's wisdom has taught me many things with regard to His will for women. The first thing taught is that God's will was always for 'men and women' to speak and Glorify His name everywhere, including in the church. Let us remember the original word from God concerning 'Adam/man' and 'Adam/woman' (Note:Scripture tells us that God originally referred to the man and woman as 'Adam' (Gen. 5:2) Adam then called the 'woman,' 'woman' and God honored that (Gen. 2:23-24). It was only after the fall that the 'woman' was named 'Eve' (Gen. 3:20). Talk about the '3 faces of Eve,' eh?

At any rate, the original will of God was 'equality' for man and woman. Scripture tells us that 'God put His Spirit in both WOMEN and men' (Mal. 2:15). As so, if the spirit of the Living God abides in women just as it does in men then it is impossible that God would mean, 'women can't speak or preach in church' for how else can one express the power, might, glory of God but by speaking it?

Where else can we glorify God amongst our own but in the church? Besides, Scripture says, 'the body is the temple of the Lord' and therefore we must glorify God in our 'Temple/body.' How much more shall we glorify God amidst a united temple of believers who dwell in church buildings? (1 Cor. 3:16). It is wrong to teach otherwise. The original command was 'God blessed, 'THEM', not just HIM but HER as well and stated, 'have dominion (subdue with kindness) the Earth and all that is therein" (Gen. 1:26-28). That's 'dominion' over the Earth and NOT each other.

Now, that said, the function of men and women is quite different. Masculinity does act as a figure head, that Femininity just naturally yields to within a marriage setting. I cannot tell you how many women want to feel protected with a strong, intelligent, righteous man. Unfortunately, with men so screwed up today, they are going to stay in 'want.'

At any rate, this function is proper in a marriage setting alone. Amidst that setting, the woman enjoys playing the nurturer, co-counselor in all 'decision' making aspects for Scripture says, 'it was not good for man to be alone' (Gen. 2:18). What that means is, not only physically alone, but as well alone, in making decisions. Hence, God would emphasize the importance of the woman's role when God brought His creation 'woman' to man. He more or less told Adam, 'now listen, you've been enjoying naming animals and the such, but now, this wonderful creation 'woman' is not for you to 'take authority over' in the sense that you have had the joy of naming animals I brought to you. She is now co-namer of all things with you. She is your equal and you must listen and heed her wisdom as that which is as great and important to your survival than your own thinking. In fact, she is your survival, your 'helper!' You cannot mentally, spiritually, etc, function right without her wise input!' (Gen. 2:24).

God seemed to instinctively know that He would have to strongly get that point across to the man as if he didn't, trouble would surely, erupt. Through the subsequent actions with regard to the 'fall', we see God was right to emphasize the importance of equality. That is, the first thing Adam did after the fall was 'blame' 'God and the woman.' He stated, 'it was that WOMAN that YOU gave me who is responsible for this' (Gen. 3:12).
That un-repentant mindset of Adam was passed down to men and to this day, men 'blame and fault' women for the wrongs of the world. Women in Scripture have always been portrayed from a negative perspective. In fact, women have been lied upon and blasphemed (Rev. 13:6).

For instance, Mary Magdalene has always been portrayed as a 'prostitute' when research now tells us that she was not. The same thing with 'Rahab'. Research now finds out that her alleged 'prostitution' was in reality, idol worship. Yeah sure, that Philistine woman, Delilah seduced Samson but he was just as guilty for going after that worldly type of woman in the first place. However, preachers curse her more than Samson's stupid, downright ridiculously flaunted 'worldly' behavior amidst being spirit-filled. (Jud. 13-16).

At any rate, back to the 'fall' and the different mentality that was about the man versus the woman. The woman fessed up to her wrongs. She admitted that she willfully listened to the deceiving serpent (Gen. 3:13). In so doing, she left no un-repentant ground for Satan to use. This is why righteous women throughout Scripture have always been the first to know of, and proclaim the might of God. Just look at the case of Samson's mother. The angel came to her, and she preached the truth to her husband, who doubted and was later visited by the angel (Judg. 13:2-25).

God's spirit was in Deborah and she was 'Judge' of all Israel (Judgs. 4). This truth alone, proves that God could not have meant that 'women shouldn't preach' as this woman not only preached, but led the whole nation.
Remember, Scripture says, 'God is the same today, yesterday and forever' (Heb. 13:8). Meaning, He did not mean for only these women of Old Testament Biblical history to lead and preach. Just look at the greatest miracle in American history, the woman Harriet Tubman. She bore witness that God raised 'HER' up. 19 times she went into the south and freed groups of God's enslaved people and 19 times, she successfully came out with men, women and children. No man, equalled what this valiant woman of God did. See then, God through his 'actions' is teaching us that 'He uses whom He will and His will is for women to preach, teach, prophesy and do exploits.' (Dn. 11:32).

Also, because of the King Barack's 'doubt and fear' during the reign of Deborah, the spirit of the Lord used the might and strength of the woman Jael to shame the 'man's' weakness and fear. Yes, Jael is the 'woman' song and praised throughout the ages for bringing down the enemy King Sisera (4:17-24). Can we hear a "Michele's in the white house representing?" :-)

Again, God's spirit is in both men and WOMEN and niether were meant to be constrained via demented males purposely misinterpreting the role of women. Male's misinterpretation stifled and destroyed many a good woman. Also, let us remember that God's testimony is, 'I hate divorce (Mal. 2:15). Yet, out of love and concern for women God allowed divorce in order to stop men from destroying women (Mal. 2:15).


In other words, 'divorce' was a gifted weapon from God to women. Fallen male's treatment of women can destroy the woman's role and function and so wreak havoc on planet earth. This happened in the past and it is happening today. In fact, it is prophesied that the anti-Christ will have no 'desire for women' (Dn. 11:37).

It is the spirit of Satan working through the hardhearted, un-repented mindset of fallen males. That 'Adam-ic' 'blame God and women' mentality is seen in males mistreatment of women worldwide. See, when Adam did not take responsibility for what he did, that part of his mindset became 'corrupted fertile ground.' As a result, Satan has had a field day using males to destroy God's precious creation, woman.

Just look at the so-called religion of Islam. The woman is oppressed and sorely afflicted. In Africa, the woman is chattel. The same with Asian nations. The male's warped, twisted mindset with regard to women keeps women and those nations steeped in darkness, chaos, destruction and death. This is the state of mind Adam unleashed for Satan to abuse when he did not repent of his evil participation in the fall and instead, 'blamed God and the woman' (Gen. 3:12).

Yet, we saw God's remedy towards Adam's action of standing there allowing the woman to be deceived (Gen. 3:1-8). God stepped in as husband to the woman and stood the ground that Adam should have stood by immediately expelling the serpent. At any rate, the serpent thought God's wrath would be upon the woman. However, instead, God stood up for the woman and informed the serpent that He too, would use the same trusting nature of the woman to bring down Satan's evil that he had just pulled off. In other words, God is proclaiming, "He still loves and cherishes the magnificent 'woman' He created."

However, let me say this, God did warn the woman of one of the consequences of her disobedience, he stated with regard to her husband Adam, 'your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall have rule over you' (Gen. 3:16). Male preachers have erroneously taught that that means God was giving the man 'rule over the woman.' However, reality is, God was warning the woman that the once 'equality' relationship she had with her husband in the garden was now 'destroyed'. The man would take 'illegal' rule over the woman. She would think or desire to be like it once was, but it was no more.

At any rate, God would use a woman to bring forth the redeemer to get back what Adam had just given away (Gen. 3:15). God would also 'put enmity' between Satan and the woman. Meaning, though Satan now had fertile ground to use the man's un-repentant state, the righteous women throughout the ages would be the key vessels used by the Most High to destroy the works of the devil.

Hence, we are told of mighty women used by God. There was Miriam the prophetess and leader of Israel right along with her brother Aaron and Moses. (Ex. 15:20; Mic. 6:4; etc.). Ruth and Naomi would come forth obediently setting the stage for the birth of King David who would be a type of Christ (Ruth 4:13-22). Esther would come forth and be the vessel God would use to stop a satanic genocide (Est.). Rahab a gentile African woman would be used to destroy idolatrous Canaanite factions (Josh. 2). Etc.

On and on the list would go of women being used mightily by God. As well, prophecy says in the last days, 'God would pour out His spirit on our sons and DAUGHTERS' (Joel 2:28-29). God said, the 'daughters' i.e. females i.e women would prophesy.' Well how can women prophesy i.e speak the profound truths of God if they are not allowed to 'speak or preach' in the church? Besides, in the New Testament this prophecy was fulfilled as Scripture makes mention of the 4 DAUGHTERS of Phillip 'prophesying' (Acts 21:9; 2:17). Again, the 'letter' i.e. 'written word' killeth but the Spirit through it 'actions' towards women gives life and truth with regard to God's will for women.

As so, on Pentacost, the Holy Spirit sure didn't believe women couldn't preach as the Holy Spirit came upon men and WOMEN and both were heard to be speaking the wisdom of God (Acts 2:17).

Not only that, prior to pentacost it was 'women' who were the first to know of, and speak the might and praises of God with regard to the Messiah's entrance on planet earth. Whereas, disobedient man was unaware of what was going on with regard to prophecy. Just read Luke's account of Elizabeth and Mary whose Hebrew name is Miriam. (Luke 1:39-56;) The fact is, the man Zachariah was stricken deaf and dumb for his 'unbelief' but not so, with the women. They with a loud voice, proclaimed, preached, annouced, and praised God before all of heaven for the miracle messiah that was now on Earth residing in the womb of young Mary/Miriam (Lk. 1:18-25).

Also, know this, it was women alone, who were the FIRST to know of the resurrected Christ (Matt. 28:1-11). It was none other than angels of the Most High, and Jesus himself, who commanded 'WOMEN' in the form of Mary Magdalene and the other 'women' to PREACH the first resurrection message (Mk. 16:1-8). The fact is, the might and righteousness of women gave them the strength to go to the tomb with intent to fulfill the Hebrew burial laws of God come what may, soldiers or no soldiers.

Whereas, the men were all cowardly hidden away. However, the women's fearless strength caused them to be the FIRST to PREACH of the resurrection. How then can preacher's erroneously preach that 'women must be silent, can't speak or preach?' The fact is, Paul must, have meant something else as he himself, often commended women preachers.

There was priscilla who was called an apostle right along with her husband (Acts 18:2, 18.26; Rom. 16:3). Phoebe was called a 'servant' but the Greek word for 'servant' was 'minister or preacher' (Rom. 1:16). Oh, and what happened to the many women on Pentacost who were baptized in the Holy Spirit? (Acts 2:17). Do you think they just kept silent after that day? No! It would have been a sin if they had. Instead, they too, went forth 'preaching and teaching.' We know that there were active spiritual groups run by women as Paul came upon the woman Lydia (Acts 16:14). Of a surety, she and the women with her were baptized in the Holy Spirit (Acts. 16:14-15).

In all these matters, please know of a certainty, that the 'letter' of the word taught erroneously has been a violation of God's will with regard to women. Women, like men, were ordained by Jesus/Yahshua Himself, to "go into all the world and PREACH' the gospel' (Mk. 16:15-18).

Bottom line, as all are baptized in the Holy Spirit, then 'all,' meaning both men and 'women,' should preach the word of God to a lost and dying world. We should not forsake the assemblying of ourselves together. We must come together as righteous men and WOMEN to preach, teach, prophesy within the church (Heb. 10:25).. It is the will of God. As such,, who can withstand it and prevail?!

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Oh Yeah Lisa Kyles, I forgot to comment on that unbelievable comparison. Wow.
I"ve heard racists demean us as a people with that comparison and to have a man of God strike out with such a degrading comparison. Oh well, that's why God has moved on our hearts to go forth and proclaim our true worth in Christ.

Nonetheless, I hope YahsNiivim will apologize for that comparison.
Proclaim your true worth in Christ

To be ordained to preach the gospel has nothing to do with self worth/or any other part of self/seeing as the scripture says "IF ANYONE SEEKS TO FOLLOW ME HE MUST FIRST DENY HIMSELF DAILY AND PICK UP HIS CROSS/

oh my bad that is just for the Man..............
Wow, you've run out of ammunition against your hardhearted, obstinate disposition so now it's out and out insults eh, O man of God? How sad!

So we're dirt, you're dirt, all God's children is 'dirt?' Wow. Yes, "dust we were and dust we shall return" if Yahshua doesn't rapture us. Yeah, that's Scriptural too, but the fact remains, we are in the right and you can't handle the truth presented to you.

Nonetheless, O, stickler of the law, we forgive you. You are our brother in Christ and I pray you well in your dispositon.

Oh, by the way, if, as you say, we are to speak only that which YHWH says, then shouldn't we all be speaking the ancient Hebrew language as was presented in the Bible?
Do you really think the Ruach Hakodash is against all the ministers in the world, men and WOMEN who speak English and refer to Yahshua as Jesus the Christ? Doesn't really make a lot of sense, now do it?

Nonetheless, I honor your walk in Christ, forgive your stubborness, pray we talk on other subjects where we can agree in truth. Shalom
Bad comparison, no wait, lame comparison. The fact is, women of YHWH are doing what YHWH has called us to do and in some cases, it is to be an apostle, evangelist, preacher, teacher. etc., whether you like it or not! Yes, that is exactly what YHWH is doing and as a result, the gospel is being preached all over the world by WOMEN. The sick are being healed as Yahshua works through WOMEN. The weak are made strong as YHWH works through WOMEN. The kingdom of Satan is being demolished as YHWH works through WOMEN all to the Glory of YHWH. Deal with it preacher, deal with it!
You may be able to dispute miracles, but how can you dispute salvation and discipleship of men and women by female vessels of GOD?

A disciple is one trained to do the same work of the one mentoring him/her. If this is true, then why do you dispute female leaders and preachers when there are female disciples found in scripture? I asked this before, but you never took time to answer it. Can you address it today?
ok, now you have crossed over from the Biblical, to the outright foolish! You have literally compared a woman in leadership to a lesbian, without saying she's a lesbian. Thats ignorant.
No need to say i'm sorry if the Truth is being spoken.. The Word of God can stand up on it's on..


hmmmmm Lesbian.. what those Calthoic... Gay male preachers. going behind closed door messing with this boys............. the spirit of Jezzubel it has not gender preference it can be on a Male and Female.....
Not just the Catholics,

Keep it real girl the Sunday school teacher in Californication was a woman/and there are the Baptist/pentecostal/amec/united methodist all have been found to do such evil.............
Let us keep on keeping real... oh boy...we all know that... that spirit is is everywhere..... lurking not only the church.... In the Homes, daycare centers.....school.......etc..etc......
Well, ofcourse you have false prophets. sinners,hypocrites, etc. The Bible said that such would arise. The Bible also shows the shortcomings of the apostles. Ofcourse, Judas the betrayer was a thief. Peter denied him and at one point according to Yahshua 'Satan' filled Peter and had him uttering nonsense (MK. 8:33).

Not only that, the book of Galatians tells us that even after the Ruach Hakadosh had filled Peter, he was still following his 'human nature' and caused a disruption. It was Paul who called him out and withstood him (Gal. 2:).

The apostles James and John who walked with Yahshua ended up vying for seats next to Yahshua in the kingdom so showing that they did not understand the power of YHWH in any way, shape or form (Mk. 10:35).

In the book of Acts, the Ruach Hakadosh killed Ananias and his wife Sapphria for toying with YHWH's servant (Acts 5:1).

In fact, Paul tells us of 'ravenous wolves' who would come in and 'scatter the flock'(Acts 29:29).

Yet, in all these matters that doesn't make our faith, salvation any less real. You see, you also have righteous men and women who YHWH is using to do exploits.

Bottom line, the word of Yahshua says, that 'He will separate the wheat from the chaff' in that great day. In the meantime, all the righteous can do is keep on keeping on.

Besides, believe it or not, you have hypocrites amidst your group. The fact is, all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of YHWH.
Hey YahsNiviim, we're already seeing the 'glory of YHWH', why do you think WOMEN are coming forth preaching, teaching, evangelizing, etc.?

My, my, you're obstinate to a fault. The Spirit in us lifts up YHWH and our Messiah Jesus Christ er, I mean, Yahshua Hamashiach.

In all seriousness, I think you mean well, but you are stuck in the 'letter of the law' that 'killeth', while we are living in the SPIRIT of the RUACH HAKODASH that sets the captive free!

Listen, in my original post I gave the ultimate example that YHWH uses women to do exploits. The great lady Harriet Tubman, was used by God to rescue men, women and children. 19 times she went into the jaws of enslavement and 19 times God delivered her. This should have been the 'head of the woman' man's job but YHWH chose a woman to do military feats that none could equal. Ask yourself why is that? Then rejoice because it is the Lord's doing and it is marvelous in our eyes!

Oh, and enough with the 'lesbian' talk this isn't a porno board rather a Spiritual board full of righteous men and women uplifting God. Ask YHWH to forgive you for your 'lustful' fantasies amidst this discussion. Sheeesh!
Yeah, well, whatever.

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