The Logos has come to earth! Our responsibility is to put our trust in him for our salvation. For Jesus states in John 14:6 - I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. Let us abide in Jesus, and stick to eternal life so that we can receive the redemption of our bodies in the future.

The importance of Jesus is something to really think about. But, like God, we must ask the question of “Who is Jesus?” That is the question that people since the time of Jesus himself has been asking, and people, even Christians, are still asking that honest, profound question. John the apostle wrote a prologue in John 1:1 that TRULY defines who & what Jesus is. From the way he wrote it shows that his audience was a Greek audience, and that he wrote his epistle in the way the Greek audience could understand Jesus. The Greek audience was a mixture of Native Greek Christians, and Jewish Christians who spoke Greek.

Let me start off by quoting the Greek structure of John 1:1 - En arche nv ho logos, kai ho logos nv pros ton theon, kai theos nv ho logos. I want you to zero in on a word that the Greek audience would have picked up quickly, and stood in awe of. Notice the word “Logos”. In Greek philosophy, Logos was the principle, and reason of all things. Logos in ancient times was logic. Many Greek philosophers saw the Logos as creator, and was what held the universe in place. This is exactly how John used Logos.

In John 1:1, Logos is seen as wisdom, reason, thought, word. In other words, the divine expression. God expressed himself, like all people, with his words. But unlike people, Gods word became flesh, and dwelt among us. God's divine expression became flesh, and dwelt among his people. God's thoughts, his wisdom, reason became a human so that we could understand God, who is a spirit, in a way that is familiar to us. Greeks saw the Logos as what held the universe in order, and in its place; you can hear that in col 1:15-17 - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities– all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

Verse 18 states that he holds first place in all things. Revelation 3:14 says that he is the “beginning” of the creation of God. Beginning used here means “source”. He is the source of Gods creation. Remember: all things were created by him. John 1:3 tells us that nothing was created without the word. Psalm 33:6 says - By the word of the Lord the heavens were established; and all the host of them by the breathe of his mouth.

There are many groups, especially the Jehovahs Witness, claims that Jesus is michael the archangel. The only verse they have to really prove that is 1 thess 4 which says he comes with the voice of an archangel. That’s called eisegesis(reading into the text one's own ideas and biases). Just because he comes with that voice, it does not mean he is the angel, for the word says that even all the angels were created, and that the LOGOS, in everything, might be preeminent(holds first place). Michael was created, and he is an angel just like all the rest of the other angels, but he is the chief angel, and leads the angels of God to war.

Many Christian say that Jesus is God in the sense that God himself got off his throne, became a man, and dwelt among us. This is not true. God himself did not become a man, for God is spirit, but he “sent his logos(word)” in the flesh, and his logos is what became man. God's divine expression became flesh. Hebrews 1 says that Jesus is the exact representation of the Father. Your words reveal exactly who you are, and you cannot separate your words from your own being. Your words reveal what’s in your heart. Phillip asked the Lord to show them(apostles) the father. Jesus said if you have seen me, you have seen the Father. Why did Jesus say this? Because Jesus knew that he was the Logos of God– the divine expression of God.

Much like our words have their beginning and source in us, Jesus(the Logos) Of God has his beginning in the Father. For Jesus said in John 8:42 - If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God, and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me. So here we see that Jesus himself has a beginning IN the Father, and that Jesus proceeded forth from God, and was sent to earth and became flesh. When we see Jesus and his actions, we are seeing God, for Jesus is the very expression of God, the eternal Logos!

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Hi dear Brother!

Are you a Philosopher?

Or have you an anointing from the Holy One?

Please, I do not have much to say. I'd like tell you that:

1 - God's household, which is the church of the living God, is the pillar and the foundation of the truth.

Amen!

2- No lie comes from the truth. Amen!

"If I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.
1Timothy 3:15

“But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth. I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist-he denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he promised us - even eternal life.
I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit - just as it has taught you, remain in him.

1 John 2:20-27

3 - “Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.

James 3:1

Blessings,


Bro. Germain

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Hi brother!

You said:

"...In John 1:1, Logos is seen as wisdom, reason, thought, word. In other words, the divine expression. God expressed himself, like all people, with his words. But unlike people, Gods word became flesh, and dwelt among us. God's divine expression became flesh, and dwelt among his people. God's thoughts, his wisdom, reason became a human so that we could understand God, who is a spirit, in a way that is familiar to us. Greeks saw the Logos as what held the universe in order, and in its place; you can hear that in col 1:15-17 - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities– all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together..."

Then, you said:

"Many Christian say that Jesus is God in the sense that God himself got off his throne, became a man, and dwelt among us. This is not true. God himself did not become a man, for God is spirit, but he “sent his logos(word)” in the flesh, and his logos is what became man. God's divine expression became flesh. Hebrews 1 says that Jesus is the exact representation of the Father. Your words reveal exactly who you are, and you cannot separate your words from your own being. Your words reveal what’s in your heart. Phillip asked the Lord to show them(apostles) the father. Jesus said if you have seen me, you have seen the Father. Why did Jesus say this? Because Jesus knew that he was the Logos of God– the divine expression of God."

OK!

You seem to draw a line between GOD and the WORD.

Let us read what the Bible truly says:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning".

John 1:1-2

Can you explain me the following phrase ?

"...THE WORD WAS GOD..."

What is the difference between GOD and the WORD?

WHO was the WORD Who became flesh( John 1:14)?

Brother Paul said in 1 Timothy 3:16 that God was manifested in the flesh. God was the Word Who was manifested in the flesh.

Do you agree with the Apostle Paul?

Now, tell me, what is the difference between GOD Who is Spirit and His WORD?

Can you make a distinction between "wisdom, reason, thought, word. In other words, the divine expression" and GOD the Spirit ?

Can you DRAW A LINE between "wisdom, reason, thought, word. In other words, the divine expression" and GOD the Spirit ?

Please show me the difference between a Spirit and a Word! Please show me!

I can't. I can't make a difference between GOD the WORD and GOD the SPIRIT.

Only a Philosopher can do this.


JESUS-CHRIST IS THE ALMIGHTY GOD MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH (1 Timothy 3: 16)!

That is all I know by revelation...

Only a Philosopher can deny this truth:

" For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written: “ I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

Where is the wise?

Where is the scribe?

Where is the disputer of this age?

Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks[b] foolishness, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God".

1 Corinthians 1:18-24

Blessings,


Bro. Germain

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Hey, whats up bro. Germain,

I am not sure if you read all of my paper, but I gave the Greek for John 1:1, and then explained it. The Greek is," En arche nv ho logos kai ho logos pros ton theon kai theos nv ho logos." Can I explain to you," And the word was God(Kai theos nv ho logos)?"

I sure can. Notice the Greek word Logos. Logos is seen as word, wisdom, reason, thought, word. These things are what you call abstract. This means you cannot see feel, or hear them. When John said the word was God, he wasnt literally saying that. How do I know? Because God isnt abstract in the sense of those words. God isnt a mere thought, word, reason, or wisdom.

What is the difference between God and the word, and who was the word that became flesh? Essentially, there is no difference between God, and his word. Your words reveal your character, and who you are. The Logos of God reveals Gods character, and who he is. When John said and the word was God, He seen it only in that light.

God himself cannot, and did not become flesh. Gods Logos became flesh. God's word, wisdom, reason became flesh, and dwelt among us. Jesus told Phillip,"If you have seen me, you have seen the Father." This is true because Jesus is the exact imprint, and expression of God. So, seeing Jesus is exactly like hearing the Father himself speak.

1 Tim 3:16 is a great verse, but from the looks of it, you do missed an important word there. Look at the word "manifested". You speak of the scripture as if it says God himself turned into flesh, but that's not what it says. The word manifest means "to reveal". When God was manifested in the flesh, that means he was revealed in the flesh.. by what? By his Logos, divine expression. Yes, I agree with Paul, and I knew exactly what he meant there.

if you want to talk difference between God, and his word; the difference is that his word became flesh. God himself, who is spirit, did not become flesh. His Logos became flesh. so that we may better understand who he is from a flesh perspective. Essentially, they are the same, because the Logos of God reveals who God is. The Logos of a human reveals the heart of the human.

What are the differences between wisdom, reason, thought, and word. To wrap all those up. Your very wisdom(the application of your deeds), can bring out your reason, thoughts, and words. Your wisdom puts those things into action. We know that Jesus DID many DEEDS, right?

It is true that Jesus Christ is God MANIFESTED in the flesh. Jesus reveals God the Father, but God the father himself did not morphe into flesh. He SENT his Logos to earth, and his Logos became flesh.

God bless!
Hi brother!

Abraham had seen God (Yahweh). He had seen three Men. One of them was the LORD manifested in the flesh. The Almighty GOD took a body of flesh and ate with Abraham (Genesis 18: 1-33).

AMEN!

Abraham saw a MAN, God manifested in FLESH. The “LOGOS” (the WORD) and the SPIRIT of God were in that MAN.

The “LOGOS” (the WORD) and the SPIRIT (John 4:24) of God were that MAN.

IN THAT MAN DWELLS ALL THE FULNESS (THE LOGOS AND THE SPIRIT) OF THE GODHEAD BODILY.

Do you agree with me?

In the same way, through the MAN CHRIST JESUS (1 Timothy 2:5) the Divinity has been revealed to the humanity in a body form.

The “LOGOS” (the WORD) and the SPIRIT (John 4: 24) of God were that MAN.

Indeed, Brother Paul said:

“Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily”

Colossians 2:8-9

IN JESUS DWELLS ALL THE FULNESS (THE LOGOS AND THE SPIRIT) OF THE GODHEAD BODILY.

Please, Brother, let down Philosophy, and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world.

Please go to the school of the Holy Spirit, for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life:

“He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant - not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

2 Corinthians 3:6

You need to have a revelation. Then, you will understand that GOD (the WORD, the SPIRIT) was fully in Christ reconciling the world to Himself:

“that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation”.

2 Corinthians 5:19

Brother, let me tell you that, the LOGOS (the Word) is also the SPIRIT.
The LOGOS (the Word) and the SPIRIT stand for one Person, one entity: God Himself manifested in flesh.

This is the reason why THE MAN CHRIST JESUS could say:

“The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life”.

John 6:63

Blessings,

Bro. Germain

www.tagworld.com/srobouay

www.myspace.com/wawesan
Paul himself used Philosophy of his day. Paul said do not use, or take heed to Philosophy that is deceptive. All Philosophy isnt bad.

Re-read my pape on what I said the "The word was God" meant. The Jews never believed that God turned into flesh. The belief that God himself turned into flesh is pagan theology, and not biblical theology.

Abraham saw God revealed in the flesh, but the fleshy person wasnt God himself. One could say that the Logos of the Lord revealed God in the flesh. Go ahead and re-read my paper.
By the way, try to say much by saying little. Your responses are a little to long to be reading.

Another thing you must be mindful of is the way you respond to people. You seem a little proud, and some of what you are saying isnt neccessarily seasoned with grace and kindness..

Try to lighten up on the way you speak if you are trying to correct someone, and speak with grace and kindness. God bless
Hi!

You said:

"Abraham saw God revealed in the flesh, but the fleshy person wasn’t God himself."

Ok!

Who was that fleshy person?

The Bible says that Abraham saw God and spoke to Him face to face.

But, according to you, Abraham didn't see God, but He saw God's LOGOS since the fleshy person wasn't God Himself, but HIS LOGOS MANIFESTED IN FLESH.

In conclusion:

-The LOGOS belongs to GOD.

-The LOGOS became flesh.

- The fleshy person wasn't God Himself

- Ultimately, Abraham didn’t see God, but He saw a fleshy
LOGOS.

However, it was God’s LOGOS!


It is my duty to warn people not to take heed to such a deceptive philosophy!

Please, tell me who is your Teacher and I'll tell you who you are!

Yes, I’m proud and I can’t speak with grace and kindness to someone who deliberately and obstinately interprets or falsifies the Word of God.

Yes, Brother Paul told Titus:

“This testimony is true. Therefore, rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the commands of those who reject the truth.”

Titus 1:13-14

Please, let down your philosophy and your myth.

Then, you said:

"Paul himself used Philosophy of his day."

Can you show me a biblical passage which attests your assertion?

Brother Paul himself said:

“Paul, an apostle-sent not from men nor by man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead and all the brothers with me, To the churches in Galatia: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, who gave himself for our sins to rescue us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father, to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel- which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!

Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ.

I want you to know, brothers that the gospel I preached is not something that man made up. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.”

For you have heard of my previous way of life in Judaism, how intensely I persecuted the church of God and tried to destroy it. I was advancing in Judaism beyond many Jews of my own age and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers. But when God, who set me apart from birth and called me by his grace, was pleased to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not consult any man, nor did I go up to Jerusalem to see those who were apostles before I was, but I went immediately into Arabia and later returned to Damascus.”

Galatians 1:1-17


Can you show me a biblical passage which attests your assertion?


Brother, you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different Gospel - which is really no gospel at all.

Please, let down philosophy and turn to the true Gospel!

Please, turn to the true Gospel!


Blessings,

Bro. Germain

www.tagworld.com/srobouay

www.myspace.com/wawesan
Germain,

It makes me wonder of your position as a christian. You say that I speak falsely, but you cannot detailingly prove that at all. Paul used Stoic Philosophy in Acts 17 I believe. Not all Philosophy is bad, but I guess you yourself cannot see that.

God opposes the proud, but gives mercy to the humble. Bro, the warning to you is to humble yourself quick, or God will humble you himself, and you may not like how he does it.

You should also know that God said," No man can see me and live." He told that to Moses, yet Moses, Abraham, and many others "Saw God". What does seeing God mean? Does it mean seeing his true form?, or does it mean seeing a manisfestation of him?

If you continue to be proud, accusing of false doctrine without hard, detailed evidence that i am wrong. If you continue to wrongfully judge me, then I will not have this conversation of this sort with you, or any other conversations with you, because you do not know how to debate.

Debating between christians should be with grace, kindness, and love. I have showed those things to you, and have not degraded you

God bless, and I hope we can talk again with "grace, love, and kindness"
Hi!

May God open yours eyes!

My message related to the Godhead of Jesus-Christ is available on the Forum and my websites below.

Please, stop falsifying the GOSPEL!

The Bible says:

"But, Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."

2 Corinthians 10:17

I boast in the Lord. I boast in the true Gospel, not in Philosophy!

You said:

"Paul used Stoic Philosophy in Acts 17 I believe".

However it is written in the biblical passage you quoted:

"A group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers began to dispute with him. Some of them asked, "What is this babbler trying to say?" Others remarked, "He seems to be advocating foreign gods." They said this because Paul was preaching the good news about Jesus and the resurrection. Then they took him and brought him to a meeting of the Areopagus, where they said to him, "May we know what this new teaching is that you are presenting? You are bringing some strange ideas to our ears, and we want to know what they mean." (All the Athenians and the foreigners who lived there spent their time doing nothing but talking about and listening to the latest ideas.) "

Acts 17: 18-21

Always, Philosophers will dispute with the true Gospel holders !

Formerly with Paul, today with me!

Brother, this is my last message concerning your Topic.

Do as you think fit!

"Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says"

James 1:22


Blessings,

Bro. Germain

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