You can Forfeit Your Salvation - Black Preaching Network2024-03-28T15:58:25Zhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/forum/topics/916966:Topic:165749?commentId=916966%3AComment%3A483406&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noOk I did not want to leave th…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-03-03:916966:Comment:4834062009-03-03T02:28:16.298ZRev. Eric Culberson Jr.https://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/RevCulberson
Ok I did not want to leave this topic with this suggestion and not come back a say what I found in soing what was suggested for me to do. And the biggest thing I found out when looking at the life of Saul was this when the people came to Samuel they asked a very specific question which was this;<br />
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1 Samuel 8:5<br />
And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: <b>now make us a king to judge us <i>like all the nations</i>.</b><br />
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The people requested a king like everybody…
Ok I did not want to leave this topic with this suggestion and not come back a say what I found in soing what was suggested for me to do. And the biggest thing I found out when looking at the life of Saul was this when the people came to Samuel they asked a very specific question which was this;<br />
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1 Samuel 8:5<br />
And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: <b>now make us a king to judge us <i>like all the nations</i>.</b><br />
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The people requested a king like everybody else. They were looking at the world and wanting what the world had, becasue they felt that it was better than the position they were already in;<br />
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1 Samuel 8:7<br />
And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the <b>people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.</b><br />
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God basically said give them what they ask for. A king just like all the nations they were looking to instead of looking to Him. He even gave Samuel a specific instruction and that was;<br />
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1 Samuel 8:10-22<br />
And Samuel told all the words of the Lord unto the people that asked of him a king. [11] And he said<b>, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you</b>: He will take your sons, and <b>appoint them for himself</b>, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots. [12] And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear <b>his</b> ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots. [13] <b>And he will take your daughters</b> to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers. [14] And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants. [15] And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants. [16] And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work. [17] He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants. [18] And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the Lord will not hear you in that day.<br />
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God was telling them they were asking for just any'ole king and that was exactly what they were goign to get a king that would only be focused on HIMSELF and not on God.<br />
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<b>[19] Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us;</b> [20] That we also may be like all the nations; and that our <b>king may judge us</b>,(GOD JUDGING THEM WAS NOT GOOD ENOUGH) and go out before us, <b>and fight our battles</b> (HOW SOON THEY FORGOT WHO WAS FIGHTING THE BATTLES FOR THEM THUS FAR). [21] And Samuel heard all the words of the people, and he rehearsed them in the ears of the Lord. [22] And the Lord said to Samuel, Hearken unto their voice, and make them a king. And Samuel said unto the men of Israel, Go ye every man unto his city.<br />
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And God again reassured Samule it's not you they are rejecting. THe king they were about to recieve can be equated to the person from Titus who;<br />
Titus 1:16<br />
They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.<br />
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Isreal's king would be a prepatrator. He would have a form of godliness (be apart of the people, show some outward spritual signs but his heart was not with God.) This is why we see when God rejected Saul, the first thing Samuel told Saul was;<br />
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1 Samuel 13:14<br />
But now thy kingdom shall not continue: <b>the Lord hath sought him a man after his own heart,</b> and the Lord hath commanded him to be captain over his people, because thou hast not kept that which the Lord commanded thee.<br />
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Saul was never a man after the heart of God! So to assert that Saul was "saved" and then lost it does not line up. Brother, you might want to ta…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-02-06:916966:Comment:4267502009-02-06T18:45:25.504ZJames Piercehttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/JamesPierce
Brother, you might want to take heed to your own words.
Brother, you might want to take heed to your own words. Bless you and Thank you for y…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-02-03:916966:Comment:4190792009-02-03T21:15:05.729ZRev. Eric Culberson Jr.https://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/RevCulberson
Bless you and Thank you for your response!
Bless you and Thank you for your response! Rev. Luckett, I'm curior to k…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-02-03:916966:Comment:4189382009-02-03T20:17:00.575ZRev. Eric Culberson Jr.https://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/RevCulberson
Rev. Luckett, I'm curior to know your position on this matter you dont have to post it here if you dont want to, you can send it through other channels but I'm curious to here from you.
Rev. Luckett, I'm curior to know your position on this matter you dont have to post it here if you dont want to, you can send it through other channels but I'm curious to here from you. abide & remain are the sa…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-02-03:916966:Comment:4187612009-02-03T19:09:49.965ZJames Piercehttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/JamesPierce
abide & remain are the same thing. remain is more simple than abide, and some translations use remain. But, what I said still remains, if you remain, THEN you will be his disciple, but if you do not remain, then he will cut you off(John 15). What am I trying to accomplish? I am getting the word out that osas is heresey!
abide & remain are the same thing. remain is more simple than abide, and some translations use remain. But, what I said still remains, if you remain, THEN you will be his disciple, but if you do not remain, then he will cut you off(John 15). What am I trying to accomplish? I am getting the word out that osas is heresey! I'm looking for that verse an…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-02-03:916966:Comment:4186182009-02-03T18:19:25.523ZRev. Eric Culberson Jr.https://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/RevCulberson
I'm looking for that verse and I cant find it, but I did find<br />
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John 15:4<br />
<b>Abide in me</b>, and <b>I</b> in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, <b>except ye abide in me</b>.<br />
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John 15:7<br />
If ye <b>abide in me</b>, and my <b>words abide in you</b>, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.<br />
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Look we dont agree on somethings no big deal (well kinda of not a big deal), but is we agree that salvation can only be obtained through…
I'm looking for that verse and I cant find it, but I did find<br />
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John 15:4<br />
<b>Abide in me</b>, and <b>I</b> in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, <b>except ye abide in me</b>.<br />
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John 15:7<br />
If ye <b>abide in me</b>, and my <b>words abide in you</b>, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.<br />
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Look we dont agree on somethings no big deal (well kinda of not a big deal), but is we agree that salvation can only be obtained through faith in Jesus, and that a life in Christ will produce fruits of righteousness, and that the destination for the believer will be the presence of the Almighty then lets leave it there. Because I dont understand what you hoping to accomplish now. Yeshua says,"REMAIN in me, an…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-02-03:916966:Comment:4185572009-02-03T17:58:30.988ZJames Piercehttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/JamesPierce
Yeshua says,"REMAIN in me, and THEN you will be my disciple."
Yeshua says,"REMAIN in me, and THEN you will be my disciple." Saul of the OT or NT?tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-02-03:916966:Comment:4185502009-02-03T17:57:42.625ZRev. Eric Culberson Jr.https://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/RevCulberson
Saul of the OT or NT?
Saul of the OT or NT? I read everything you said, I…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-02-03:916966:Comment:4185372009-02-03T17:54:32.073ZRev. Eric Culberson Jr.https://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/RevCulberson
I read everything you said, I just wanted to deal with the things I had questions on. Thank you for not answering them, but telling me I dont "read" my bible. Just because I dont agree with you does that mean I dont read my bible? And I dont have a hard time accepting "all" of what the bible says, I just dont agree with alot of the thigs you say it says. Doesnt make you right and me wrong it just means we dont agree. If I knew what you were saying was the truth I would have agreed with you, I…
I read everything you said, I just wanted to deal with the things I had questions on. Thank you for not answering them, but telling me I dont "read" my bible. Just because I dont agree with you does that mean I dont read my bible? And I dont have a hard time accepting "all" of what the bible says, I just dont agree with alot of the thigs you say it says. Doesnt make you right and me wrong it just means we dont agree. If I knew what you were saying was the truth I would have agreed with you, I DONT! No biggie I know were you stand, you know were I stand and thats enough to agree on there, and agreement to disagree.<br />
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P.S.- Lets not get into when God loves you again.LOL Its better to quote the rest…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2009-02-03:916966:Comment:4184182009-02-03T17:25:11.633ZJames Piercehttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/JamesPierce
Its better to quote the rest of my statement, then to pick out what you think fits your way of thinking. The point is not neccessarily who did it in scripture, because there are people that fell away from the faith, rather, its more about that its true that it can happen. 1 Tim shows people falling away from the faith, and listening to doctrines of demons. Saul lost the Holy Spirit. Many Israelis fell away from the faith. Some came back, and some stayed in paganism. Have you read the…
Its better to quote the rest of my statement, then to pick out what you think fits your way of thinking. The point is not neccessarily who did it in scripture, because there are people that fell away from the faith, rather, its more about that its true that it can happen. 1 Tim shows people falling away from the faith, and listening to doctrines of demons. Saul lost the Holy Spirit. Many Israelis fell away from the faith. Some came back, and some stayed in paganism. Have you read the Prophets?<br />
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I challenge you to actually "read" the bible, and pay close attention to detail of the Prophets messages, calling Israel back to repentance. Some came back, and some did not. Why do you think Elijah became depressed because there was no one around him serious about repentance, and returning to God's law? God spoke to him and said he has 7000 faithful ones as his remnant, them that did not turn away.<br />
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Jesus, who was law observant, says abide in him, and "then" he will love you, and make his home with you. Do not be deceived by "osas", because its heresey, leading people to thinking their saved when they practice sin, when in reality, they left the faith the moment they chose to practice sin. If they do not return asap, their hearts will get so hardened, to the point where they will never repent.<br />
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The only person that really wrestles around is you, because you seem to have a hard time accepting what "all" the bible(OT & NT) says about salvation, and I can tell you one thing... if the OT teaches conditional salvation, then the NT will agree with its foundation. I know you know this is true.