I have a few thought questions before any discussion can begin on this subject:
(1) Did God make man with the "freedom of choice?"
(2) Can God change His Word - written or stated?"
(3) What is Sin? I John 3:4; Lev. 5:17; Romans 14:23
(4) Can man's choices change the penalties for sin?
(5) Does God (or can God) force anyone to be saved?
Somewhere in there lies the clear answer.
So which side would God demonstrate on? Would He stand on the side for everyone's free choice, or the side for mandated life? Or will He stand somewhere in the Middle recording choices?
Psalm 89:34 - "My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips." So if the 6th commandment already said: "Thou shalt not kill" (Ex. 20:13) then why does God have to force anyone to obey? The penalty has already been established since the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23).
Last but not least of all, does God force anyone to be saved? Or does He say "Whosoever will . . .?"
Just a few stupid questions from one called to be a point man in the Body.
Thanks for your response. Nowhere in my discussion topic or on my BPN page do I say that no one have a right to choose, because as you say God gave us that freedom, and I’m glad that I have the right to choose to live for Jesus Christ according to his Word.
I did quote the word of God:
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:… Deuteronomy 30:19
Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: John 14:5-7
Now therefore fear the LORD, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the LORD. And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD. And the people answered and said, God forbid that we should forsake the LORD, to serve other gods; Joshua 24:14-16
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. John 10:10
When I chose abortion I was a Christian without a relationship with Jesus Christ. Therefore I did as I thought best without going to the Word to see what Jesus would tell me to do. There are many bad choices that I have made it my life, the choice to abort my baby girl exceeds them all. Why, because I took LIFE which God created to multiply. You’ve read the book of Genesis. Yes we have a choice in all circumstances God told us to choose this day who you will serve and He is asking us this same question today. Our lives and choices we choose need to line up with the Word of God, whom we say we serve. Whom we say is Lord and Savior over our lives. Why carry the name Christians if we’re not going to be Christlike?
When I chose to abort my baby I wasn't educated on abortion, it was just an option and at that time it appeared to be the best choice for me. When God allowed me first to acknowledge abortion for what it really is "death" and it was the death of my child. Then later I realized it wasn't just my child when my mother asked me, “how old would the child be?” WOW! Talking about a hitter. It was my mother's grandbaby, my father's little angel, my sister's and brother niece, somebody’s wife, friend, pastor, etc. Dr. Adderley that revelation did not feel so good to me, even as I write to you today my heart still hurts from the fact that “I” chose to take my little girl’s life. I chose to destroy God’s purpose and plan and because of that many were affected and are at a loss.
I don't know if you have children or whether or not you even value life. Maybe you'll never understand my passion, just because we have a right to choose doesn’t mean it’s the right thing to do. Is it ok for a gang member to choose to kill that innocent lady on the street corner, he do have the right don’t he? I wonder if her husband and children agrees with that choice. My baby had a right to choose but I didn’t give her the opportunity, I wonder if she would have chosen to be with me than to go through the horrific surgery of an abortion pulling and cutting her body parts into pieces to get her out of me. Maybe if you could see the choice we’re making when we abort you would have different questions for me. Please see this link. http://blackgenocide.org/abortion/photo_20.html
I aborted my baby when I was 11 weeks pregnant. (nine weeks after conception) . In most states it’s legal up to 12 weeks (3 months).
This picture is at 6 weeks
At 11 weeks....
• The fetus CRL is about 1.5 inches (35mm) in size.
• The fingers and toes have completely separated.
• The taste buds are starting to develop.
• Baby has tooth buds, the beginning of the complete set of 20 milk teeth.
• Baby can swallow and stick out his or her tongue.
• Whole body except tongue is sensitive to touch.
• Cartilage now calcifying to become bone.
• If it is a boy, the testicles are starting to produce the testosterone hormone.
The baby has an upper lip, toes and ears and twenty little teeth are now forming. The brain is growing rapidly and producing more than 250,000 nerve cells a minute. The heart is almost completely developed and very much resembles that of a newborn baby. An opening the atrium of the heart and the presence of a bypass valve divert much of the blood away from the lungs, as the child's blood is oxygenated through the placenta.
The eyelids have fused shut and will not open again until around week 27. The wrists and ankles have formed and the fingers and toes are clearly visible. Genitals have begun to form, but it is too early to tell the sex of the fetus. By this week of the pregnancy the placenta has developed enough to support most of the critical job of producing hormones.
Secondly, when I began to learn of the history of abortions in the African American communities I was astounded.
• Many people do not know, that since 1973 (year abortion was legalized in the U.S.) more African American babies have been killed by ABORTION than the total number of African American deaths from all other causes COMBINED. US Center for Disease Control and the Alan Guttmacher Institute
• Abortion services have been DELIBERATELY and SYSTEMATICALLY TARGETED towards African Americans. A disproportionate number of the nation’s abortion mills are located in minority neighborhoods. Learn more: ABORTION & GENOCIDE Life Issues Institute Black Genocide Study
• 35% of abortions in the United States are performed on African American women, while they represent only 13% of the female population of the country. US Census Bureau
• The abortion rate among married African American women is three times greater than it is among white women. National Vital Statistics Reports, Vol. 48, No. 11
• According to the 2000 Census, Hispanics have replaced African Americans as the largest minority group in the US. The loss of over 14 million black babies through abortion has played a significant part in this population decline. http://www.protectingblacklife.org/http://blackgenocide.org/black.html
When I had my abortion there was so much that I did not know. Why didn’t somebody tell me? God’s Grace and Mercy has brought me this far. He has forgiven me and set me free from the horrific crime that I placed upon my baby girl. He has set me free from the guilt, shame, and depression that stemed from my abortion. He has called me to educate those that are considering abortion. To be a listening ear and a shoulder for those who had abortions both men and women to cry on and lead them to healing. To raise the awareness of the horrific epedemic that abortions causes in the African American communities.
I do not argue with anyone regarding this issue. I can only tell you from personal experience not only in my life but everywhere I go people (men and women) are affected by abortion. When God first called me to go out and educate his people he gave me this scripture …if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. John 12:31. I am to lift up him and who is He … Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: John 14:5-7.
Many men and women have been delivered by my testimony; many babies have been saved from my obedience to choose to talk about abrtion and life today. This is not an easy call because many don’t believe or choose not to acknowledge truth. I often ask the question if abortion is ok, why are we afraid to talk about it?
I am no Professor, I don’t claim to have it all or know it all. I do know that the Holy Spirit lives within me and God is displeased with abortion and we that know the truth MUST REPENT and SOUND THE ALARM!
As I prayerfully responded I asked God that you would truly open up heart and allow God to speak to you on this issue. I never want to deliberately offend, upset or retaliate anyone, that’s why it took me a while to respond… For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. Hebrews 10:30
Mr. Adderley, there is soooooo much more I could say. Please go to my page and/or keep a look out for my book to be released sometime next year. “What I Now Know About Abortion”
Love, Blessings and Peace to you always,
P.S. Six years after my abortion God gave me the name Genesis for my baby (only Jesus), at that time he had not revealed to me the sex. Two years later God revealed to me that my baby was a little girl; he showed me who she looked like (Me!). I don’t deserve to see her as a beautiful human being, but my God that’s so full of love and mercy allowed me the opportunity to introduce Genesis to you. Isn’t she beautiful, can’t you feel the life of her.
Abortion is a termination of life. Abortion proponents argue that the life growing inside of a woman is not a baby until such-and-such number of weeks has passed. I disagree with that, but what if they’re right? What if the life growing in a woman isn’t a baby until three months? So what!? It is still growing life regardless of what they want to call it!
Oddly, these same pro-abortion proponents will crucify people for destroying microscopic life in nature. But, life growing in a woman…well it’s insignificant until a certain amount of weeks has passed. Amazing.
But, I also believe there is such a thing as "post pregnancy abortions." When we implement policies in government that undermine the value of one group of people, we slowly abort the vitality of those members of society. When we abuse a person in any way year after year or month after month we move in the direction of terminating the God-given vitality of the individual being abused. It’s a slow kill, but it’s still a kill, unless the abusive action is terminated, and healing of the abused begins.
The topic of abortion should absolutely be an issue, a ministry, a regular topic of conversation in churches.
Please check out Maafa21 and consider showing it in your church or community center:
Routinely called “stunning,” “breathtaking,” and “jaw-dropping”Maafa21 meticulously chronicles the links from slavery to Eugenics and abortion. Maafa 21 shows, without exception, how African-Americans are the targets of the social elite. One African-American pastor and 1960’s civil rights activist said, “this film connects the dots in a way I never really understood before.” Another said that for the first time in his life he has a tool to educate the African-American community about the abortion lobby’s real agenda. Maafa21 was the featured film in the March 2010 Jubilee Film Festival in Selma, Al.
In a recent New York Times interview , Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg told Emily Bazelon that,"....I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of"
Maafa21 shows just what "populations" Justice Ginsburg was talking about: