Here we are looking at a new year and I wanted to ask a question concerning the Church! In a time when nothing is sacred anymore; people feel as though they can do anything in the church, say anything in the church, and believe anything in THE CHURCH. With all he “ministries” that are cropping up, one ministry says you have to be Prophetic, one says you have to be a “whooper”; one says you have to be Charismatic; one says give a poem and three points. If someone is looking for a relationship with the Lord and wanted to “work out what God has worked in them”, while in a church ministry, how will they know if they are in the right church? HOW WILL THEY KNOW?

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i believe you know you are in the right church when you actually walk away having learned something. so many churches, no matter what the denomination, take 1-2 scriptures and speak whats in their mind for hours. and a lot of people feel like they had a good experience if the "choir was good!" or if "that was a good message!". i feel that you should walk away from church having questions answered (from the Bible, not a mans mind) and knowing what the Lord wants you to do and how to serve Him. it would be great if more Pastor/Teachers etc, would teach & actually read the Bible more as opposed to entertaining. the charity work is great....but if one doesnt learn how to serve God from the church, then the church's works are in vain. and does there really have to be a collection plate?? tithes are personal between you and the Lord...whats wrong with putting a box in the back of the room?

Micah 3:11
11The heads thereof judge for reward, and the priests thereof teach for hire, and the prophets thereof divine for money: yet will they lean upon the LORD, and say, Is not the LORD among us? none evil can come upon us.

Isaiah 28:7-10
7But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.
8For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.
9Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:


Ezekiel 13:1-9
1And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
2Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say thou unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts, Hear ye the word of the LORD;
3Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing!
4O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts.
5Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD.
6They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, The LORD saith: and the LORD hath not sent them: and they have made others to hope that they would confirm the word.
7Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The LORD saith it; albeit I have not spoken?
8Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord GOD.
9And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD
Great points Sister Rebekah!! I agree with you on this senario.
...without spot or blemish or any such thing. The right church looks like the one Jesus is coming back for. I think our concept of what the Church is, leaves something to be desired. But if we are to see the church...really see the church, we must stand in God's vision, and see her through the eyes of God. Otherwise we are unable to judge this matter, for the church is not our vision, it is God's vision and His handy work. We are but the raw material He uses in order to build Her.
Pastor Mel
You may not like this answer but I have found it to be true nonetheless.

It's not about how something looks. LOOK AT MY AVATAR.

John 7:24 - Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

It's not about looks. HaSatan appears as an angel of light, not some red skinned demon with a tail. So do not expect haSatan's church to be in the image of a monster. You need to be careful of what looks GOOD.

The way that you know is if they are teaching and keeping the commandments of G-d.

Romans 2:13 - (For not the hearers of the law are just before G-d, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

James 1:22 - But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

People are deceived because they do not follow YHWH and they say they do but they do not follow the teachings of Yeshua. The gospel of haSatan is complete FREEDOM. Do whatever you want. Of course the consequences of this strategy is exactly what you're complaining about. The commandments of G-d give us discipline and order. It makes us free. Otherwise we only have the ILLUSION of freedom. In America you have the ILLUSION of freedom. Meanwhile, you're lied to about WMD's, your presidents are chosen beforehand, and you have to lock your doors.

Ecclesiastes 12:13 - Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear G-d, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

Revelation 12:17 - And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of G-d, and have the testimony of Yeshua haMashiach.

It's not about how they look or what it FEELS like to be there. The key to figuring out who is doing what they are supposed to do is by knowing the commands they're supposed to follow. And then when you see what the purpose of these commands were supposed to do within our hearts then you understand why these churches are going so very wrong today. You need a FOUNDATION.

People say.... oh no, we don't have to do that because we have a new covenant.

Jeremiah 31
30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge. 31 Behold, the days come, saith YHWH, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith YHWH: 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith YHWH, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their G-d, and they shall be my people.


Outside of this covenant is chaos, rebellion, and sin.

Shalom
ZealotX writes:"Outside of this covenant is chaos, rebellion, and sin."
But what covenant? that is the question. Is it not the marital agreement with Israel first and formost...because your Rabbi Yeshua aka J-sus did not state he was destroying the very fabric of the 'Covenant nor any of it's tenants. If we look to Rome and their version,... It is filled with proto-nostic and Hellenistic teaching from Paul confusing the matter IE some wrong choice of words on Pauls part Or some misinterpolations and misunderstandings of middle eastern concepts See: ~ Joseph Klausner's ( Of Hebrew University) . "Jesus of nazareth ~his life , times, and teachings, for some clarity...and historical reconstruction.
The rest of the four testimonies are filled with historically documented add-ons ( Check the Fathers of Rome and their writings/commentary for further clarity) and obviously a different take on the issue as opposed to the Hebrew Sages who have always maintained for some 3300 years the same theology...so who do you follow.....? @3000 variations of Christology or the eight differing but in one accord groups that have spanned in the same 3300 years of time Who do you think is Confused?????
I think it is Rome?? But then who am I?... If TD-J said the same things I do people would be cutting him an offering for his mansion,... Go fig. But then I am only a Sephardic Jew who played in christianity long enough to realize it was missing the mark big Time...

As for me and my house we follow the Master of the universe within the multi-verse,...YHVH/G-D/Adonai?or just plain YAH as He writes His name in Psalm 68:v4 in your Bible,... (not J-sus it seems that is Romes son of Zeus FYI)... who is the very root not the vine of all things... May the elightenment of the Moshiach within come forth in this hour. The Jewish sages have the answer you are all loking for..It is richer and deeper than Rome and it will get you home to PaPa.
"But what covenant? that is the question."

You're asking me a question I included the answer to.

31 Behold, the days come, saith YHWH, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

"Is it not the marital agreement with Israel first and formost..."

Yes. You gave to get your own house in order first before you start adding to it. The fact that YHWH did not allow every nation to be married into Yisra'el should serve in our understanding of what Yisra'el was supposed to be and that certain people were a thread of influence and that you could bring in confusion by bringing in too many people without a strong foundation.
As we must worship our Lord in Spirit and Truth, the Body of Christ appears, Spirit and Truth
Mrs Fugett writes"As we must worship our Lord in Spirit and Truth, the Body of Christ appears, Spirit and Truth"
But what does that Mean?...What is the Root of Spirit/Ruach...and Truth/Emet...is it not Emunah? And I ask what is it that denies the Manifestation of G-d?... is it not the Anti- manifestation of G-d in and through consecrated servants to do HaShems will here on this earth going about doing good?
That is Tikkun Olam to go out and 'repair the world'
Sounding brass and tinkling cymbals come to mind right about now. I am not impressed with your great swelling words and definititions. I am impressed if I can understand what you are saying. You may even be right, but how can I tell if I do not understand your words. You are a barbarian to me. Speak your peace my friend, but make it plain. Then you will have been a blessing to me,
Those who do the will of G-d are brothers with Yeshua meaning sons/daughters of Yah. Those who are not righteous are not of his seed. The way that Yah, the Father, was known was by his spirit working through his children. The way that his children are known is by the Father's spirit working in and through them.

Tikkun Olam
"Tikkun Olam" ah we are learning the meanings good...now walk the walk as yeshua walked not a Rome said he did. A pious benevolent Jew man One with Hashem..then you go and do Tikkun Olam, Right?
You are currently making an assumption. Care to guess what it is?

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