Hezekiah quoted a couple verses while talking about his beliefs. I want to show you something that the devil doesn't want you to see. I want you to see how the serpent is still there and how we keep repeating the same mistake again and again. The only way to break out of this cycle is to TRUST G-d. When the bible uses the word "belief" its mainly talking about "TRUST" not whether or not you think something is true. The things we go through right now are related to trust as we're going to see. And as we go over these texts I ask that you pray and put your mind into these scenes so that you can see the bible "alive" as I do. The scene (like a movie) says more than what the words say. Come and see...

Genesis 3:22 And YHWH G-d said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Revelation 22:13:14 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

People, Eden was a TEST. Is there anyone without common sense who doubts this?

TEST
2 a : a means of testing: as (1) : a procedure, reaction, or reagent used to identify or characterize a substance or constituent (2) : something (as a series of questions or exercises) for measuring the skill, knowledge, intelligence, capacities, or aptitudes of an individual or group b : a positive result in such a test

I cannot do like Hezekiah on this and show you a scripture explicitly stating this fact. However, it is true. If you read Genesis 3, the serpent asks a peculiar question for someone just trying to deceive.

1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which YHWH elohim(G-d) had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath G-d said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

This serpent wanted to know what Eve knew. That in itself is a test. He's testing her to see if he can get her to rebel against G-d, with full knowledge that what he was asking her to do was against the command of her Creator.

The Commandment...
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, G-d hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

The command was simple. They were not to eat from a particular tree; the very tree she is about to eat from. Well if she was given such a simple commandment then WHY is she about to eat from this tree? Is it so hard? Is it really so hard to NOT eat from this ONE tree when they had ALL THE OTHER TREES in the garden. And she knows this. That's why she said, seemingly in defense of YHWH, "We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden". I say this fruit is a test because it is symbolic of all sin.

It is strange to me that we get so much resistance when it comes to teaching that you should keep the commandments. Strange. Why? BECAUSE YOU CAN STILL DO SO MANY THINGS! Even if you want to calculate it out to over 500 things that you should/shouldn't do there are millions of things you shouldn't do but millions more things that you can do with no problem. You can do whatever you like.... so long as its "GOOD". But do you know what good is? What evil is? The law is your "schoolmaster" until you do. Adam and Eve had to be TOLD by their Creator which fruit would cause them to lose their immortality and die. How are you any better than them that you don't need to be told by your Creator about the things that can hurt you but that you don't know can hurt you because you've never experienced it.

The real reason Eve ate the fruit was because she didn't trust G-d. If she had she would have believed him over a serpent.

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For G-d doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

What the serpent told Eve was contrary to what her Creator had told them (or told Adam who told her) but he basically made up a PLAUSIBLE excuse that CONFUSED her into thinking that eating the fruit was the right thing to do. Can you see? Can you see?

6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

When she "saw".... She didn't know the tree was good for food. She saw what the serpent WANTED HER TO SEE. She saw, through IGNORANCE, exactly what the serpent was trying to convince her of. If she was smart she might have said "YOU eat it! And if YOU live and become a god then I'll go ask my Creator why it is that YOU didn't die." That would have been smart but Eve wasn't thinking clearly because the desire to have the ONE thing she knew she was told she couldn't was already tempting. The IDEA (which was not true) of what it could do to her was more than enough to push her over the edge of reason. That is what deception is. Deception is a cunning use of trickery in order to fool someone into thinking one thing is another. When she saw the fruit she wasn't seeing what YHWH had said about the fruit, only what the serpent said.

7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

It says their eyes were opened. It doesn't say they were gods. What its basically saying is they had lost their innocence and they knew it. They had been tricked.

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There is nothing new under the sun. Just as it was in Eden it is the same now. The purpose of this thread and message is not to debate keeping the commandments. It's about how deception is used to turn you contrary to the commandments of your Creator. I want you to actually consider for a moment that haSatan, the devil, may just not be the moron he's portrayed as. Imagine if he is even smarter than you. After all, we were created lower than the angels and he's been around soaking up knowledge and wisdom and experiences for thousands of years in the human understanding of time. He may not know you personally but he knows your gender and your species. He knows humanity and all its types. In Eden he already had it figured out that the best way to get to Adam was through Eve. Subsequently the same story existed with Samson and Delilah. Names changed, but that was about it.

If the devil is not a foolish simpleton then might he be still capable of deceiving humanity. Yes or no? If the answer is yes then if he sees a better mouse come along will he cry and say "I am defeated!" or will he build a better mouse trap? If you're smart you're probably leaning towards the better mouse trap. Correct?

And so the story doesn't changed. If YHWH says keep the sabbath holy you do like Eve and say what the serpent told you. You say, "well Jesus was risen on sunday". He wasn't but even if he was this sounds good to you... it is "pleasant to your eye" just as the fruit was to Eve. Sunday worship has nothing to do with what the Creator said or what his prophet said. What will you say when the Creator asks you why you forgot the sabbath for Sunday? Will you try to hide in the bushes?
If YHWH says he is the only G-d you do like Eve and say what the serpent told you. You say, "well there's this trinity see... and...". And that's not what G-d said. THIS is what G-d said:

Isaiah 45
5 I am YHWH, and there is none else, there is no G-d beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am YHWH, and there is none else.

14 Thus saith YHWH, The labour of Egypt, and merchandise of Ethiopia and of the Sabeans, men of stature, shall come over unto thee, and they shall be thine: they shall come after thee; in chains they shall come over, and they shall fall down unto thee, they shall make supplication unto thee, saying , Surely G-d is in thee; and there is none else, there is no G-d.

18 For thus saith YHWH that created the heavens; G-d himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am YHWH; and there is none else.

21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I YHWH? and there is no G-d else beside me; a just G-d and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am G-d, and there is none else.

The serpent tells you "but Jesus claimed to be divine which MEANS that he claimed to be God which MEANS that he must have been God which MEANS there's a trinity because also know the holy ghost is God." But what did Yeshua ACTUALLY SAY? Because everything else is your church's understanding, your church's interpretation, your church's theology, which was GIVEN to them by a previous generation who had it GIVEN to them, and to them, and to them, and so on until it was given by the serpent. We as a human race are STILL eating the fruit because we're passing it down to our children. You feel powerless against sin because you are TAUGHT to this way. You're in a loop created by your own mind under the influence of sin. You BELIEVE you can't break out and that sin is powerful because you DON'T believe in Yeshua the Messiah and aren't conscious of the power YOU ARE GIVING to sin.

You are a servant of who you yield yourself to.

“For [if you are] the servants of sin, you [are] free from righteousness” (Rom. 6:20). Then Satan owns you—Christ does not. But if “free from sin, you [are] the servants of righteousness” (Rom. 6:18), then Christ owns you; He is your Master.
And if He is your Master, His command is to “yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness” (Rom. 6:19).
- http://www.thercg.org/pillar/0806pp-wsay.html

Eve YIELDED to the serpent. Yeshua YIELDED to the Father. THAT is why he was called "the son". You believe he is something else because the serpent made up a PLAUSIBLE case. BUT WHAT DID HE SAY?

John 17
1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true G-d, and Yeshua the Messiah, whom thou hast sent.
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

You see what the serpent does is CONFUSE you. He'll say "well look at verse 5. That means he was there before the world was here". BUT WHAT DID HE JUST SAY!? "thee the only true G-d". He wasn't talking to himself when he said that. He was praying to the Father. And he gave himself a VERY separate title... Messiah. Messiahs (plural) were people (plural) who were chosen by G-d for a specific function. Messiah means "anointed". The priests were anointed. The kings were anointed. Anointed doesn't make you a god. It makes you chosen by G-d. G-d even chose king Cyrus. This is what he's talking about in Isaiah 45 which I quoted earlier. WHEN did he choose king Cyrus? He wrote him a letter I think it was 500 years before he was even born! So if he choose king Cyrus AT LEAST 500 year prior to his birth how soon do you think he had chosen (set apart) the one who would become "THE Messiah"? This was a messiah who was chosen before sin ever existed because he knew it would exist and made a plan to save mankind from it. The FATHER is the one who made the plan. The SON was sent to execute it. You can misunderstand everything else but AGAIN..... WHAT DID YESHUA SAY?

"that they might know thee the only true G-d,..."

You don't get to be "the ONLY" person on an Island that's inhabited by other people. You could be the only BLACK person if everyone else is white. But you cannot be the only person if other people exist. For it to be any different someone would have to be lying. This is COMMON SENSE. Someone wants you to put away your common sense and "just believe". Be stupid... Be ignorant... Be blind. Just believe. That's what he wants. Yeshua wanted you to believe him. Why would you not believe what he said about the Father? YHWH is the only true G-d. If you didn't know its not because YHWH didn't tell you.

21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I YHWH? and there is no G-d else beside me; a just G-d and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

It's because someone else came along and told you something different. Someone told Cyrus something different and that's why YHWH had to correct him. And the funny thing is that YHWH has also sent you a letter written hundreds and thousands of years before you were born and just like he corrected Cyrus he can correct you. Understand. YHWH is the only G-d. In Isaiah He said "Beside me there is no G-d". You don't have to look to the right hand nor to the left. You don't have to go searching for another throne. You don't have to ask your neighbor or your pastor. You don't need your pastor to read to you what I just quoted above. That is what it says in English. Deny it if you like but it is really not you who is denying it. It's the serpent. You're only repeating what he wants so that you wont be following YAH's command.

Exodus 20
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I YHWH thy G-d am a jealous G-d, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Isn't it funny how the very deceptions that confuse you involve ways that violate the commandments of your Creator? Some of you are still thinking "But it says in John 1...". The person who wrote John KNEW the law and before he wrote anything there was something he already knew. John 1 did not exist before the time of John. And I'm not saying John 1 contradicts. I'm saying you misunderstood it because you were taught to misunderstand it by Christianity. John 1 does not contradict. You contradict. John says one thing and the serpent comes along and gives you a PLAUSIBLE case to make it sound like he's saying what you've been taught. But plenty of people had reason to believe that was not the right understanding of John 1 if you have any knowledge about this history of the Trinitarian debate prior to 325 AD.

As the serpent grew stronger and stronger by making himself appear more and more Christian, there were less and less people able to effectively argue against him without being burned on some stake, beheaded, conquered, and purged until tradition was able to pass down exactly what he wanted it to. That is why it is NOT a part of the tradition of Christianity to even publicly speak of the pre-trinity history and debate. You have to read about it in books because you wont hear it from the pulpit. You are kept in ignorance and manipulated so that you will TRUST THE CHURCH ABOVE YOUR CREATOR. And you do this to the point that you will no longer even question or think you are wrong just for having questions. That's the mind of a slave.
Christmas is a perfect example. It can expose this serpent if you even care who the serpent is or where these commands are coming from anymore. And I think some of you may simply be at that point where you no longer care who says what as long as you're comfortable in the here and now. But for those who do care you can see the piss marking of this beast in Christmas (go to the Christmas thread for details). Are you going to tell me that Christmas is about "Jesus"? Have you not learned yet how this serpent operates? Wake up! If Christmas was about "Jesus" it wouldn't be on December 25th. The fact that this is shared with SUN worship is a blatant piss marking tactic. The devil didn't go to sleep. He went to work conquering Christianity and after he conquered it (by setting up a "Christian" Pagan Emperor) he pissed all over it to mark his territory. Christmas is the key because that helps you understand how Christianity has made Yeshua into a Solar deity.

You have to get to the point where you stop allowing the serpent to tell you tales. Stop letting him feed you excuses and lies. You don't have to keep the commandments? That is a lie. Trust G-d and stop eating the apple. Stop saying foolish things like "I love God" when it isn't true; when as soon as you are told something that benefits YOU, you choose to believe that what you were told overrides what YHWH has commanded. The serpent tells you that you don't have to keep the commandments. You don't have to do this. You don't have to do that. How... BENEFICIAL for you...... oh because it was always too hard for you not to lie, cheat, and steal. It was too hard not to rape women, fondle children (no new commandment against it in the NT), cheat on your husband, lay with another man's wife, not work one day out the week, not eat unclean animals, not stay away from people when you're sick, not get women drunk so you can take advantage of them, not have sex with close members of your family or of the same gender.

ITS ALL TOO HARD (for you)

And so that is why the doctrine of devils is all about "FREEDOM". You don't have to obey, says the serpent. Just come to my land of wealth and opportunity and be free to do almost anything you want. You'll have to obey my rules but at least its better than the bible. Cuz, that thing is just unfair. It makes you into a boring person who has no fun. Don't you want to have fun?

But if you TRUSTED G-d you would know that you don't need to be free of anything he told you to do because HE never had you in bondage in the first place.


shalom
Oh my Gosh... This is a good read. I recomend all to read this thread. It clears up a lot of doubt about trust, and gives understanding between belief, and trust. Great Thread Brother Zealot... This taught me a couple things I need to save in the memory banks.
ZealotX,

This thread is tremdously extensive and it will take some time for me to read. But, know this, I will take the time tor read it thoroughly and respond accordingly.

When you post an extensive thread such as this, this too can be used as a tool to confuse an individual, especially if they do not take the time to read all that is written within its proper context.
That is a great observation Sister Harris. I'm not saying that to be funny either. I'm serious.
But that's how the bible is. Anything that isn't short can be taken out of context and manipulated. People are so confused when the bible is combined with a skilled preacher that they can walk away with something very different from what the bible says. But that's why we have to read it all for ourselves.

shalom
ZealotX,

I understand and accept the point you are making, but I really don't think it is necessary to post such an extensive thread. For example, you cannot read the entire Bible in one sitting and claim that you know and understand every scripture within it's proper context.

Hezekiah,

This is indeed one of the FEW and RARE occasions where we actually agree on something, and I thank God for this moment of agreement.

Shalom in Yeshua
He's right Sister Harris. The whole thing is that you have to trust the Bible, and not what man says. If that man brings the scriptures, and they match his words, then you should trust them, but if it is confusing, then your Preachers words are vain.

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