American Presidency - Black Preaching Network2024-03-29T13:55:04Zhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/forum/topics/american-presidency?commentId=916966%3AComment%3A5017727&feed=yes&xn_auth=noSome had other terms... like…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2012-11-13:916966:Comment:51076492012-11-13T04:47:21.918ZDaniel Baumethttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/DanielBaumet
<p>Some had other terms... like what was a serf? Anglo Saxons were conquered by Normans and became slaves, others were hauled off by Vikings and Danes, Romans made slaves' of many nations , before them Babylon and so on... Empires rose, Empires fell each "nation" Dominated and were dominated. Crowns fell to make way for new greed. </p>
<p> By far the 2 most notorious nations that enslaved were Rome and Britain. American First Nations are still a subjugated people and treated as minor class…</p>
<p>Some had other terms... like what was a serf? Anglo Saxons were conquered by Normans and became slaves, others were hauled off by Vikings and Danes, Romans made slaves' of many nations , before them Babylon and so on... Empires rose, Empires fell each "nation" Dominated and were dominated. Crowns fell to make way for new greed. </p>
<p> By far the 2 most notorious nations that enslaved were Rome and Britain. American First Nations are still a subjugated people and treated as minor class citizens with minimum rights and privlages... so add those years against the oppression of Blacks. </p>
<p>Understand I do not deny the oppression of minority groups, and niether do I ignore the abuse of black persons in NorthAmerica. Nor am is silent in regard to modern tapetstry of oppression displayed by genocide of fellow "blacks" over tribal issues or worse due to religion in regard to the Christian - Muslim conflictg in the Sudan. </p>
<p>I pray against and speak against all forms of oppression. While first nations complain here in my nation how bad it is, we arrange tours of Mexico for them so they under stand there are worse things that others may face. </p>
<p>Perhaps a tour of the Sudan or other countries that suffer extreme conditions and face the crime of genocide. </p>
<p>Jews suffer, Christians still suffer, blacks suffer, browns suffer, reds suffer, Messianics suffer. My people die every day every hour for the right to pray to the God of their choice . Just this month 1,000 Netzari were slaughtered and beheaded because they worship Elohim and not Allah . At the writing it is November 12, 2012</p> I am going to assume you dont…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2012-11-12:916966:Comment:51021372012-11-12T21:13:37.341ZAngela Doreenhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/SisterAngela
<p>I am going to assume you dont mean all of us as in the ever single nation in the world were ever slaves, I know you mean the people you are refered to as the minority was slaves at one time or the other, that may well be true, not sure how many nations have been slaves but I do know that the blacks have suffered the longest and most as slaves. I am aware of course of the terrible circumstances of the holcust which liken our past yours and ours.</p>
<p>However as a black person I can almost…</p>
<p>I am going to assume you dont mean all of us as in the ever single nation in the world were ever slaves, I know you mean the people you are refered to as the minority was slaves at one time or the other, that may well be true, not sure how many nations have been slaves but I do know that the blacks have suffered the longest and most as slaves. I am aware of course of the terrible circumstances of the holcust which liken our past yours and ours.</p>
<p>However as a black person I can almost sympatise with the feelings of black America (note I say almost) because as well as being slaves there was a great robbery of our identity, language, cultural, our past and no one has ever stood up officially and said sorry. The holocaust was disgraceful but the reason so many of the Jewish people are getting over it and moving on is because there have been an official recognition and apology for what occur. There have never been anything of the sort for black people no one was brought to justice, no one truly acknowledge the wrong in fact there have been attempt to cover up and no one have compensated the viticms, our mothers were raped, some torn from there husband and raped, families torn apart and sold, names changed etc but no one has gotten up and said we recognised that a wrong was done, that is one of the reason black people have not put closure to this episode.<br/><br/>Now note I said I can almost sympatise the reason I choose not to waller in it is I refuse to accept that I in anyway am inferior to anyone. I am fearfully and wonderfully made a daughter of a King therefore I am as good if not better than any man or woman alive which include the queen or president or prime minister of any nation. From a child I had the sense that nothing and no one can stop me from being what I want to be except God and that where ever I am at in life I am just as good as even the next queen of leader ofany nation, there may be a difference in our finances but in status as a human being I am a match or better to another human and that is the same principal I installed in my children.<br/><br/>To me to waller in the past is to place yourself beneath another man by allowing your circumstance to keep you down and I dare or challenage anyone to look down or cast aspertion on me because of the colour of my skin because believe me I will use any means legally to get recompense, that has been my stance all my life from a child growning up and my youngest daughter took my training exceedingly well when she was five someone at her primary school called her chocolate in the play ground and she marched right into the school to the headteacher and she stated I have just being called a chocolate which is a racist remark and I demand to know what you as the head teacher intend to do about it, because I have a right as a hman being to be treated with the same respect as anyone else. The head teacher was so stunt at how my five year old asserted herself that she straight away got on the phone of the parents of the children that were involved and the parents were called into the school and the matter address and dealt with. The headteacher then called me explain what had occured and told me that never in her life had she encounter such a brave and well verse five year old who knew her rights as a human being and who demanded her right in the most profound and professional way that she had ever heard. The head teacher congratulated me and having a child whose manner and standard of what she would or would not accept and one who was so articulate.</p>
<p>You see we are all created as one and we are all created equally but you have to believe and know that you are and many people do not believe so even though slavery has been gone many still have the slave mentallity because no one nation's government have gotten up and said sorry it was wrong no one goverment have aknowledge the wrong and remember the black people were slave to almost every conceivable nation so it was wide spread. No one dare talk about the mass killings of the blacks on the ships while they were chained and thrown abroad etc.</p>
<p><br/>So while I will agree that the Jewish people have too suffered I don't agree that every other nation were slaves, some nation were I will agree were repress such as the Irsih but they were not slaves. A slave has no choice or rights.</p>
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<p>Yes there is truth in what you say about repentance and most don't even have a clue as to "repentance what?" </p>
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<p>From what I see and I am certainly not saying I see everything, but from what I do see sin is an archery term, meaning to miss the bulls-eye. Repentance is about being sorry for what we have done in part, in fact grievously sorry, which goes far beyond "oops", but the other part of repentance is going in a different direction, but most in the church still to this day…</p>
<p>Yes there is truth in what you say about repentance and most don't even have a clue as to "repentance what?" </p>
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<p>From what I see and I am certainly not saying I see everything, but from what I do see sin is an archery term, meaning to miss the bulls-eye. Repentance is about being sorry for what we have done in part, in fact grievously sorry, which goes far beyond "oops", but the other part of repentance is going in a different direction, but most in the church still to this day have not been taught that each of us has a calling and purpose and that we are to walk in that calling and purpose. The only way not to sin is by being led by the Spirit of God, but also walking in our purpose and calling and always if we walking in our purpose and calling love, a fruit of the Spirit is generated and love covers a multitude of sin. </p>
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<p>So here are a few questions that we need to honestly look at so the word can get out to all in an effort to turn this thing around. Yes, 2 Chronicles 7:14 is at the heart, but are we willing to keep His commandments and one of those is the Sabbath. Back to reality, it says fairly clearly that if we do not keep His commandments we do not love God. It is that simple or complicated, the rest is justification why we do not have keep His commandments, which does not take us back to the law, but in respecting our Fathers ways, His will, His Covenants, Statutes and Ordnance's. </p>
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<p>Secondly and this is a big secondly, which is getting back to basics and the five fold gift ministry, which is ordained of God as it is their responsibility to make sure that people are not longer tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine and so that we can all walk neatly fit together. You know we all spout off this phrase in the marriage ceremony and then tend to forget it? Whatever God has ordained let not man put asunder. Dah? Well the five fold gift ministry is ordained of God.</p>
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<p>Next is each of us have a calling and purpose, but we each have to seek God for a vision or dreams, which will take us to our calling and purpose, but then once knowing that calling and purpose, one needs to be trained and then needs to walk in it. So why doesn't that happen as it is supposed to? Simple answer, we are to exhort one another daily in our calling and purpose. You see that's on us to do that. So if we are not doing that then it is us that needs to repent in part as we are not following through with our jobs either? </p>
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<p>Here is also the importance of our calling and purpose, because if we are walking in it, each of us as we should, then this planet would not be where it is at this point. Life would be better. It is like the story where about 4-5% of the church is doing about 90% of what is getting done and that is not enough either. </p>
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<p>Who ever the heck started this thing or concept that all that it is important is for one to believe and the do nothing else, really isn't doing anyone any favors? I mean its like this in honesty, we get on kids for going out and having babies and not be responsible enough to take care of them, when they shouldn't, but then in the church what do we do, go out and create babies in Christ and then don't take care of them? Like dah ............?</p>
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<p>Now we get into the great falling away, which really is important. Why do people fall away? One huge reason is that they have not come to maturity and at least according to the Bible the only way to come to maturity is through the five fold gift ministry. WE can stop the great falling away, but it will take, taking care of the babies in Christ so they can come to maturity. Part of coming to maturity is finding out our calling and purpose and then walking in it and that is really what standing in the faith means. I realize over the years standing in faith simply today means, believing that one is saved, but there is a slight difference between reality and beliefs?</p>
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<p>You make it sound like God was the Lord of America at one time, but historically that is not the case. I read somewhere recently that American was founded on Christian principles and what came to me at least was, well maybe if Christian principles included slaughtering Indians, stealing their land and resources and owning slaves, then ok maybe? Like really was pretty dumb for someone to suggest that American was founded on Christian principles. But we can get it that way, but the only way to do it is through love as love conquers all. Nothing else will work.</p>
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<p>Here is a biggie and each of us should ask ourselves if we are really doing the following because if we are not it is us that have been doing the backsliding, you can always tell the real people of God as they always "represent the love and will of God to all people equally on earth." Either we have or haven't. Some have, a few here and there, but if we really belong to God and that is the important part, then what we all should be doing is representing His love and will to all people equally on earth. Why do people sleep unto death? Because they take the sacraments without discerning the body of Christ. What we do to each other, whether good or bad, we do to God directly. There are today people in the body of Christ going hungry and are homeless and they are a test for us to see what we will do? Do we judge them unworthy of our help or do we accept them as a part of the body? There are angels among us and people do not even see them. How do we treat them? It is an eye opener. </p> That is really good stuff on…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2012-11-11:916966:Comment:50561602012-11-11T04:26:29.850ZDr Sarah Carrolhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/DrSarahCarrol
<p>That is really good stuff on the history of what we call the Bible. Always wondered who authorized? I mean that tells me there are some thing missing if it had to be authorized to start with and the English were control freaks to the max. </p>
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<p>Honoring past is not a bad or good thing as long as it does not replace what God has done for us? Salvation in part is partially about giving up our past? I guess what I see is that with God and through God we have a calling and purpose and…</p>
<p>That is really good stuff on the history of what we call the Bible. Always wondered who authorized? I mean that tells me there are some thing missing if it had to be authorized to start with and the English were control freaks to the max. </p>
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<p>Honoring past is not a bad or good thing as long as it does not replace what God has done for us? Salvation in part is partially about giving up our past? I guess what I see is that with God and through God we have a calling and purpose and a future and well, honestly should have a present if we believe that we can do all things through Christ? Many believe we have no power. A few believe we may have some gifts and very few believe we can bring change, but how do we bring change, by our pasts or by what God has given for us.</p>
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<p>My concern whether correct or not as I do not have all the answers, our salvation is in looking forward and doing and not going back to where we were or came from? The concept is to die to self and I would think that would be our past as well? </p>
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<p>Mind you this or anything I write does not mean I am right in anything, but it is certainly something to be seeking God about, as to what to do with our pasts and our futures? </p> there was an article I read…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2012-11-11:916966:Comment:50558482012-11-11T04:01:46.721ZDaniel Baumethttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/DanielBaumet
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<p>there was an article I read that made the comment that the nation that conquered the most territory or countries was England. </p>
<p>In history indeed many nations were influenced by England, Scotts, Ireland, parts of Africa and Americas, India even china and Japan. The majority of "Christianized" nations also came from English Missionaries. Much of modern theology came first from Greek text and latin, the first translations (from Greek/Latin) were english, the King James…</p>
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<p>there was an article I read that made the comment that the nation that conquered the most territory or countries was England. </p>
<p>In history indeed many nations were influenced by England, Scotts, Ireland, parts of Africa and Americas, India even china and Japan. The majority of "Christianized" nations also came from English Missionaries. Much of modern theology came first from Greek text and latin, the first translations (from Greek/Latin) were english, the King James "authorized" and not so authorized Tyndale, and Weslian translations as well as Knox . English lead in the slave trade and English lead later in the abolishing. </p>
<p>All of us our ancestors were at onetime slaves or servants. But the most repressed are the "first nations" peoples who still to this day suffer . I know history Angela, I know about repression and subjugation. I was raised by a very liberal mother and trained on rights. . </p>
<p>We need to speak up not just for Blacks, but every repressed nation and color, of the subjugation of women and mal treatment of them in some nations. Honor killings must stop,The abortion of fetuses simply because they would be female in favor of boys ... the poor and impoverished, I need not go on</p>
<p>Imay not agree completly nor trust Obama .. but America is not my country, so I simply express my opinion, wether or not any agree. Had I been American I would have had a hard choice , but I will say as a Canadian this was by far one of the most interesting campaigns I have seen A real nail bitter to the end! Now what ?? No hockey .. and reruns ... I think I will discontect my cable loll </p> It is a good thing to repent,…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2012-11-10:916966:Comment:50226142012-11-10T00:06:58.869ZDr Sarah Carrolhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/DrSarahCarrol
<p>It is a good thing to repent, but know part of repentance is making things right and the whole country was based on killing Indians, stealing their land and enslaving people, which would seem to be in the wicked side. </p>
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<p>Are we willing in repentance, willing to make it right with people that have been wronged? If not then we are not really repenting? </p>
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<p>I agree that things are not right and yes I see the signs, but what is it in particular that needs to fixed in…</p>
<p>It is a good thing to repent, but know part of repentance is making things right and the whole country was based on killing Indians, stealing their land and enslaving people, which would seem to be in the wicked side. </p>
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<p>Are we willing in repentance, willing to make it right with people that have been wronged? If not then we are not really repenting? </p>
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<p>I agree that things are not right and yes I see the signs, but what is it in particular that needs to fixed in order for repentance to take place? I mean when I was rather broken, I wanted to ask people for forgiveness even though I hadn't done anything wrong? (Just in case) </p>
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<p>What I am seeing at least is that it is a Jonah type message that is needed.</p>
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<p>But I also think that if we establish God's kingdom in America or God's system then we no longer have freedom of religion. It will be dictated what is right and what is wrong? </p>
<p></p> Well you do realize that the…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2012-11-09:916966:Comment:50226902012-11-09T23:59:17.346ZDr Sarah Carrolhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/DrSarahCarrol
<p>Well you do realize that the pledge of allegiance started in 1892 and was changed for times and the last time it was changed was about 50 years ago to read "one nation under God" but that was not the original version? The founding fathers concept was freedom to practice one's own beliefs, which does not mean the nation was formed under or around God? </p>
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<p>The phrase in God we trust first was used for the first time in the currency in 1864 and was not a motto of the US until…</p>
<p>Well you do realize that the pledge of allegiance started in 1892 and was changed for times and the last time it was changed was about 50 years ago to read "one nation under God" but that was not the original version? The founding fathers concept was freedom to practice one's own beliefs, which does not mean the nation was formed under or around God? </p>
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<p>The phrase in God we trust first was used for the first time in the currency in 1864 and was not a motto of the US until !956.</p>
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<p>What is important is if we preach or teach things, they need to be accurate, which is not a put down, but you make it sound like the US was founded on trusting God and it was always one nation under God, which were things added at a later date, but affects a statement like God wants us to return to one nation under God and and that we stopped trusting God. Perhaps many have, but there have been a number of people from the very beginning that have not trusted God, but the inference is that everyone trusted God and we need to return to that like it was at one time. God no doubt is saying trust Me. But it is like a prayer to say one nation under God and in God we trust. </p> PEOPLE OF GOD, CHURCH, BELIEV…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2012-11-09:916966:Comment:50218942012-11-09T23:20:52.304ZApostle Dr. Melody Barclayhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/DrMelodyBarclay
<div class="text_exposed_root text_exposed" id="id_509d8ee2d5eed1669812356"><span class="userContent"><span class="userContent">PEOPLE OF GOD, CHURCH, BELIEVERS, BODY OF CHRIST, We must repent, humble ourselves, pray, seek God's face & turn from our wicked ways on behalf of America and ourselves as God's people, that America will change for the better. Obama and any other man/president will not be able to turn America around. The world's system/world's way of doing things, will not work…</span></span></div>
<div id="id_509d8ee2d5eed1669812356" class="text_exposed_root text_exposed"><span class="userContent"><span class="userContent">PEOPLE OF GOD, CHURCH, BELIEVERS, BODY OF CHRIST, We must repent, humble ourselves, pray, seek God's face & turn from our wicked ways on behalf of America and ourselves as God's people, that America will change for the better. Obama and any other man/president will not be able to turn America around. The world's system/world's way of doing things, will not work nor is capable of bringing Ameri<span class="text_exposed_hide">...</span></span></span><div class="text_exposed_show">ca back to a place of wealth and flourishing like in the days of our forefathers who established America on biblical principles and the Holy Bible. There is a spiritual element of the forces of darkness - principalities, powers, rulers of the darkness of this world and spiritual wickedness in high places (Ephesians 6:12)that have long been working over and in America, to make America turn her back on God and become a Godless nation, thus positioning herself for the judgments of God as we have been experiencing with hurricanes, earthquakes, tornadoes, fires, terrorism, etc. God's people were mandated tohave dominion over the earth and to reign as kings (Rev 1:6) We as God's people must occupy the high places of the earth, and establish the kingdom of God/God's system & way of doing things, and operate &live by the principles and mandates of the kingdom of God, and when we do, we establish God's kingdom & God's system here in A merica and any other place where we live. And God system is a flourshing system, wiith no lack, insufficiency, bankruptcy, and the like. - Apostle Dr. Melody Barclay</div>
</div> WHAT PRESIDENT OR MAN ARE YOU…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2012-11-09:916966:Comment:50217722012-11-09T23:16:21.236ZApostle Dr. Melody Barclayhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/DrMelodyBarclay
<p><span class="userContent">WHAT PRESIDENT OR MAN ARE YOU TRUSTING IN???? - "This is what the LORD says: "Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who depends on flesh for his strength and whose heart turns away from the LORD. (6) He will be like a bush in the wastelands; he will not see prosperity when it comes. He will dwell in the parched places of the desert, in a salt land where no one lives. " Jeremiah 17:5-6 - You better make sure your hope and trust is in the Lord God.</span></p>
<p><span class="userContent">WHAT PRESIDENT OR MAN ARE YOU TRUSTING IN???? - "This is what the LORD says: "Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who depends on flesh for his strength and whose heart turns away from the LORD. (6) He will be like a bush in the wastelands; he will not see prosperity when it comes. He will dwell in the parched places of the desert, in a salt land where no one lives. " Jeremiah 17:5-6 - You better make sure your hope and trust is in the Lord God.</span></p> "Blessed is the nation whose…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2012-11-09:916966:Comment:50216382012-11-09T23:15:22.083ZApostle Dr. Melody Barclayhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/DrMelodyBarclay
<div class="text_exposed_root text_exposed" id="id_509d8e482aaeb9e63216465"><span class="userContent"><span class="userContent">"Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD; and the people whom he has chosen for his own inheritance." Psalm 33:12 Well we know that the LORD is not the God of America. And that why America is not blessed, because it has made other gods, idoalatries, backsliding & whoremonging with things of the world it's god. Therefore, "If My people which are called by My…</span></span></div>
<div id="id_509d8e482aaeb9e63216465" class="text_exposed_root text_exposed"><span class="userContent"><span class="userContent">"Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD; and the people whom he has chosen for his own inheritance." Psalm 33:12 Well we know that the LORD is not the God of America. And that why America is not blessed, because it has made other gods, idoalatries, backsliding & whoremonging with things of the world it's god. Therefore, "If My people which are called by My name would humble themselves and pra<span class="text_exposed_hide">...</span></span></span><div class="text_exposed_show">y, and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven, forgive their sin and heal their lands." 2 Chronicles 7:14. The church/people of God must get in the posture of prayer and stay there, until we see God move in our nation as needed, and until America becomes again "One nation under God, and In God we trust." - Apostle Dr. Melody Barclay</div>
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