Analytical Argument on Same Sex Marriage - Black Preaching Network2024-03-28T15:01:46Zhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/forum/topics/analytical-argument-on-same?id=916966%3ATopic%3A1860899&feed=yes&xn_auth=no@Evangelist, you raise questi…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-02-09:916966:Comment:18727732011-02-09T03:17:40.715ZCharles E. Burns Jr.https://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/CharlesEBurnsJr
@Evangelist, you raise questions concerning the authenticity of the word that most of Christendom embrace as being the inherent word of G-D that you may marginalize precepts, judgements, law and standards of sanctification in order to make room for charging holiness as being "Arbitrary".<br />
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Men have clouded the word not the other way around. Those who charge that the word of Hashem is figurative as to make it an allegory therefore fictional are those who labor and pine away in hopes to justify…
@Evangelist, you raise questions concerning the authenticity of the word that most of Christendom embrace as being the inherent word of G-D that you may marginalize precepts, judgements, law and standards of sanctification in order to make room for charging holiness as being "Arbitrary".<br />
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Men have clouded the word not the other way around. Those who charge that the word of Hashem is figurative as to make it an allegory therefore fictional are those who labor and pine away in hopes to justify unrighteousness and mitigate a charge of judgement against prophets thinking it will justify them before G-D yet while in the unrighteousness that Hashem destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah over for which event needs NO interpetation- in stating this nevertheless it has not been the premise of my argument but has been used as an attempt on your behalf to lure me into a sub-discussion and "wag the dog" to demonize the word that you try and make me responsible for.<br />
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Still, who have I condemned? With all the commenting, was my Discussion missed all together and the first sentence of my Discussion overlooked? I have not sent and do not send people nor do I attempt to send people to Hell, I don't have that key.<br />
Proverbs 16:25 says "There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." With all of the talk of "Judgement" along with exhaustive studying of the word being challenged did you miss that Righteous Judgement is acceptable in the scriptures? Paul challenged the Corinthians to judge one another rather than going to the law and Peter stated "For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God:" (1Pe 4:17)<br />
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If "Judging" a matter was wrong then would John the Baptist had made the LORD's way crooked instead of straight due to him speaking in judgement against the generation of his day. There are things that are clearly "demon" motivated but let's not try and demonize banners of righteous standards in order to make room for SIN.<br />
I think you're labeling me with a badge of an experience that you had elsewhere that doesn't fit in this instance. I pray HIS love will overwhelm you and draw you to awesomeness in HIM. Shalom Anytime you "sentence" people…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-02-09:916966:Comment:18725732011-02-09T01:27:31.810ZEvangelist Joyce Murray Alimhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/EvangelistJoyceMurrayAlim
Anytime you "sentence" people to hell according to your interpretation then you are judgemental.
Anytime you "sentence" people to hell according to your interpretation then you are judgemental. Your entire post was judgemen…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-02-09:916966:Comment:18727642011-02-09T01:26:01.245ZEvangelist Joyce Murray Alimhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/EvangelistJoyceMurrayAlim
Your entire post was judgemental.
Your entire post was judgemental. @Evangelist, yes..."Education…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-02-08:916966:Comment:18721512011-02-08T20:00:42.481ZCharles E. Burns Jr.https://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/CharlesEBurnsJr
@Evangelist, yes..."Education" is a wonderful thing as well reading attentively. If you noticed another discussion was going on and the last comment was not dealing with you but perhaps you identify with it. You said that I "condemned homosexuals". Well once again, paying attention is priceless as a proponent of one self-educating themselves; in the opening sentence of what you decribed as "NOT" being analytical I stated "I am not here to state who is going to hell or who is righteous or not"…
@Evangelist, yes..."Education" is a wonderful thing as well reading attentively. If you noticed another discussion was going on and the last comment was not dealing with you but perhaps you identify with it. You said that I "condemned homosexuals". Well once again, paying attention is priceless as a proponent of one self-educating themselves; in the opening sentence of what you decribed as "NOT" being analytical I stated "I am not here to state who is going to hell or who is righteous or not" so it is impossible to propose in your comment that I "condemn homosexuals" that you are answering based on gathering FACTS.<br />
Do I condemn because I stand on iterated examples in the scripture concerning this lifestyle? If I had, not I but the word of G-D whether it is your embrace or not. If you take the Bible figuratively because you believe in a god that is not equipped to articulate HIS will in lieu of humanity's weakness rendering such a god stifled that's sad for you. Some how this god you stand to represent with the title "Evangelist" is weaker than you since you have set out to accomplish degree after degree, as you report, while your god cannot get HIS point across. Since every example you could point to has man's hand in it what source do you ascribe to in order to know "what thus saith the LORD"? Do you believe there is one who is LORD? Do you believe HE has standards?<br />
With constant verbal flauntings of your knowledge in your sharp tongued fashion have you ever considered the Apostle Paul's view of his knowledge? Paul knew at least Latin, Greek & Hebrew, studied the law under the doctors of the law in his time and held one of the highest orders in Judaism faith and still counted his knowledge and accomplishments as "Dung". You, on the other hand seem to present your accomplishments rather than revelation from G-D at every opportunity. So then, is your "Education" your god? Are you telling us that God h…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-02-08:916966:Comment:18724672011-02-08T19:43:46.846Znewviewhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/newview
Are you telling us that God has no law or teaching against homosexualty for His people or even mankind in general?
Are you telling us that God has no law or teaching against homosexualty for His people or even mankind in general? I lack transparancy? WOW you…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-02-08:916966:Comment:18721922011-02-08T17:11:25.561ZEvangelist Joyce Murray Alimhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/EvangelistJoyceMurrayAlim
<p>I lack transparancy? WOW you are the one who condemed homosexuals. I would say that that is a true lack of transparency. I can separate homesuality and righteousness But I see that you are unable to. Paul spoke to a certain situation at a certain time in a certain place. I do not take the Bible literally but as a guide. No one can take the book literally onlyfiguratively. God may has spoken through an ass during the prophet Balaam's time but today satan is speaking though…</p>
<p>I lack transparancy? WOW you are the one who condemed homosexuals. I would say that that is a true lack of transparency. I can separate homesuality and righteousness But I see that you are unable to. Paul spoke to a certain situation at a certain time in a certain place. I do not take the Bible literally but as a guide. No one can take the book literally onlyfiguratively. God may has spoken through an ass during the prophet Balaam's time but today satan is speaking though asses.</p>
<p>Education is a wonderful thing.</p> Though you may not be an "ama…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-02-08:916966:Comment:18714012011-02-08T14:33:13.264ZCharles E. Burns Jr.https://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/CharlesEBurnsJr
<p>Though you may not be an "amateur" you lack transparency in your motive which is found in your comments on other Discussions which very many of them you continue to engage the argument of treatment of homosexuals and not simply righteousness...that is interesting.</p>
<p>While you would like to set a standard in your, now flagrant ("pimpin"), illustration you speak in haste out of emotion rather than the Spirit you claim to be sensitive to.</p>
<p>As Paul stood on Mars Hill with the…</p>
<p>Though you may not be an "amateur" you lack transparency in your motive which is found in your comments on other Discussions which very many of them you continue to engage the argument of treatment of homosexuals and not simply righteousness...that is interesting.</p>
<p>While you would like to set a standard in your, now flagrant ("pimpin"), illustration you speak in haste out of emotion rather than the Spirit you claim to be sensitive to.</p>
<p>As Paul stood on Mars Hill with the Anthenians do you remember what he stated in Acts 17:28? Do you know where he got it from? Do you know who Aratus is? Do you realize his belief system? So does G-D not use what and who he will? Mind you, that doesn't make Aratus (who was already dead by Paul's time) saved b/c Paul QUOTED him and used his quote to win some to CHRIST but nevertheless Paul used something that did not originate as an expression to the True G-D but as an expression concerning Zeus but in the same took it and thought it necessary as a tool.</p>
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<p>You don't determine if G-D speaks through an ass as it was with Balaam or if he takes something that was written for idol gods and uses it for HIS own purpose to bring about an end in HIS own people. HE too can differentiate and use what they do and cast them away if they refuse to repent.</p>
<p>If I be a "pimp" let it manifest in the next turn of the day! If you be something other than what you have represented let it likewise come forth unto repentance. LORD bless</p> I've made my claim but AS ALW…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-02-07:916966:Comment:18709982011-02-07T21:02:03.397ZLester Demings Jrhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/lesterdemingsjr
<p><strong>I've made my claim but AS ALWAYS when you men and women of God are taken to task regarding your negative views on homosexuals/homosexuality (along with your desire to listen to preaching and go into worship with practicing homosexuals) you do your best to make it seem like the one taking you to task has the issue.</strong></p>
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<p><strong>Thank you for proving (once again) how hypocritical and judgmental the black church is when it comes to…</strong></p>
<p><strong>I've made my claim but AS ALWAYS when you men and women of God are taken to task regarding your negative views on homosexuals/homosexuality (along with your desire to listen to preaching and go into worship with practicing homosexuals) you do your best to make it seem like the one taking you to task has the issue.</strong></p>
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<p><strong>Thank you for proving (once again) how hypocritical and judgmental the black church is when it comes to homosexuality.</strong></p>
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<p><strong>I knew eventually you'd back down after you realized I'm not an amateur to combating the inconsistencies the church preach today.</strong></p>
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<p><strong>You be blessed pimpin'!!!</strong></p>
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<p> </p> @MarQ, you have made many ass…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-02-07:916966:Comment:18709952011-02-07T20:33:19.922ZCharles E. Burns Jr.https://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/CharlesEBurnsJr
@MarQ, you have made many assertions concerning my motives and to know my thoughts in pursuing arguments and taking positions. It is easy to suggest that someone is contradicting something without giving a proof of your claim, that is called a blanket accusation- you have made many of them. YOU SAY that I'm double talking and why? Because I don't purpose to keep up with the current affairs that you profess to be apprised of?<br />
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@MarQ, you have made many assertions concerning my motives and to know my thoughts in pursuing arguments and taking positions. It is easy to suggest that someone is contradicting something without giving a proof of your claim, that is called a blanket accusation- you have made many of them. YOU SAY that I'm double talking and why? Because I don't purpose to keep up with the current affairs that you profess to be apprised of?<br />
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Again, you are projecting your personal knowledge of something upon me as though it should be my understanding and experience as well (something that has not been publicized). Obviously, it is not as well known as you suggest concerning this "fact" that you suggest I should be aware of.<br />
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And correction (while you are categorizing my objectives), I am not against "homosexuals" as you stated but the behavior of homosexuality. There is a difference and I am able to differentiate therefore I can minister to the person unto deliverance as opposed to cutting indiscriminately with a butcher knife leaving the potential candidate mutilated without visible recourse beside condemnation.<br />
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@MarQ, thank you for sharing and articulating your spiritual pedigree along with your views and insights. May we all come to the greater knowledge and revelation of the Person of CHRIST. LORD bless Sir, I haven't followed his l…tag:abcpreachers.ning.com,2011-02-07:916966:Comment:18707152011-02-07T17:42:59.699ZLester Demings Jrhttps://abcpreachers.ning.com/profile/lesterdemingsjr
<p><strong>Sir, I haven't followed his life. To be honest I am not a fan of Richard Smallwood, however this does prove how "well-known" his life and lifestyle is in the black gospel and church community.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Next, again you are trying to take the cloak of hypocrisy off your back by using "religious commentary" and not being real about it- which is what I asked of you when I began my conversation with you. In having the Holy Ghost indwelling in you this means He will NOT…</strong></p>
<p><strong>Sir, I haven't followed his life. To be honest I am not a fan of Richard Smallwood, however this does prove how "well-known" his life and lifestyle is in the black gospel and church community.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Next, again you are trying to take the cloak of hypocrisy off your back by using "religious commentary" and not being real about it- which is what I asked of you when I began my conversation with you. In having the Holy Ghost indwelling in you this means He will NOT leave you ignorant to the truth so the "don't assume everyone has the same familiarization as you" is nothing more than a cop-out. We need to stay on this point- the HOLY SPIRIT does NOT leave you ignorant. And honestly, that is what you are trying to tell me.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Next, this conversation is not for me. Personally, I don't care to know about the lives of people. They are grown they can do what they want to do. So, to be honest with you (as you are now having a hard time being with me) I'd rather be ignorant to some things. Also, I don't go on witch hunts as church folk do because if a person is living reckless God is the ONLY judge they have. However, I am coming to you because YOU wrote this long thesis against homosexuals and gay marriage then you have the audacity to be the fan of a homosexual gospel artist. Do you not see the issue with that? Then, you try and tell me that "you don't know."</strong></p>
<p><strong>Hmmm, okay. And I bet you didn't know Bishop Long was a homosexual either, right?!</strong></p>
<p><strong>Yes, I am a very studious young man- that's why I know my Bible good enough to know you trying to double talk me but I was raised under a great leader so he taught me well about double talking when it comes to the Word. From what my Bible tells me you not being real about this issue sir.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Then, to try and make a personal jab at me with the last line of your response?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Sir, I don't have an agenda. I'm not the one with the issue with homosexuals and gay marriage- YOU are. So, if anybody is trying to "prove superiority" it would be you.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Now, if you want to take it to the Word then we can but be mindful that I wasn't taught under this "new revelation" of thinking. </strong></p>
<p><strong>Right is right and wrong is wrong and it doesn't matter how I feel about it- right is right and wrong is wrong.</strong></p>
<p><strong>In conclusion, you (in this response) refuted alot of scriptures that prove the opposite of what you just stated.</strong></p>
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