Many false prophets simply point people to themselves. Their covetousness manifests itself in a desire for power, influence, control, prestige, or importance—the antithesis of being poor in spirit, meek, pure in heart, and mourning over their ungodly weaknesses. The true prophet does not draw attention to himself but to God. If a prophet or teacher spends a great deal of time talking about himself, He is a false prophet, Jesus said HE must be lifted up.

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ONCE AGAIN, since when did I say that you do not need GOD to ordain and anoint a true Prophet??? SHOW ME WHERE I SAID THAT?? QUOTE ME FOR ONCE! If you cannot you are either mistaken and "read what wasn't there" (which is an honest mistake), or placing words in my mouth purposely (which is a shame). Its one or the other.

I have stayed on our conversation and on the topic, because I am talking about the true Prophet. The originator of this topic, Bro. Mark, said this in the ORIGINAL topic statement: "The true prophet does not draw attention to himself but to God." I am merely going deeper by saying what a true Prophet is! The sister also asked if there is any training that one needs? That ALSO stays on the topic. I haven't gone off into any field! You CANNOT talk about what false Prophets are and how they come about if you will not mention what TRUE Prophets are and how they come about.

So I will say these things:

-QUOTE ME as to where I said you don't need GOD to be HIS Prophet,

-QUOTE SCRIPTURE as to where you do not need training from men (more than one verse please, because a doctrine cannot be built on one verse, but a cult can),

-QUOTE SCRIPTURE as to where you do not need ordination here by men of GOD (again, more than one verse please),

Don't give "hints" at what I meant or vague shadows as to what you meant, QUOTE! A quote is valid in any court of law, ESPECIALLY GOD's court.
Hello Trevor,

The chief priests and the elders wanted to know who approved Jesus to teach and heal, and how was he validated to do the things.
Matthew 21:23-27... 23 And when he was come into the temple, the chief priests and the elders of the people came unto him as he was teaching, and said, By what authority doest thou these things? and who gave thee this authority? 24 And Jesus answered and said unto them, I also will ask you one thing, which if ye tell me, I in like wise will tell you by what authority I do these things. 25 The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him? 26 But if we shall say, Of men; we fear the people; for all hold John as a prophet. 27 And they answered Jesus, and said, We cannot tell. And he said unto them, Neither tell I you by what authority I do these things.

Notice how Jesus separated this authority into 2 categories "of God or of Men"

Trever You said "NO APOSTLE went without approval by men, NOT EVEN APOSTLE JESUS!"

Jesus and John got their authority from God, not from men, what man approved Jesus? what was his name?
God himself approved Jesus when he spoke out loud approving him before the world: Luke 3:22
And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

In another passage God said "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him."
How many of the so called Prophets today have God speak out on their behalf before the world. (not saying this is needed) but God wanted to make sure that no man can claim that they approved Jesus.

Also Paul and the other Apostles were Apostles of Jesus Christ, and judging by you calling Jesus an Apostle, who then was he an Apostle of? God? and if he was an Apostle of God then it was God that approved him. Amen?

Watchman
EW, YOU SAID:

"Again, I say the burden of proof is on you, the one who calls himself a prophet. My challenge is to you because the scripture already tells us how to discern God' Prophets.

Do you see any where in the scripture below where the Lord needs man to be a co-signor on ordaining of his Prophets.

Jeremiah 14:14 KJV

Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought , and the deceit of their heart.

This scripture is proof that God calls and sends prophets without the co-signing or validation of Man."


You speak in unfair and jumbled terms. You want me to give proof of what you desire, yet you OUTRIGHT REFUSE to give me what I desire?!?! Alright, fine. I see getting a quote from you after getting FALSELY accused is like pulling teeth, so I'll play it your way. No the scripture you placed said nothing about a man sending them. It didn't say that man was not to send them either. Have you forgotten Joshua? Who placed him into his office? It was GOD's order that Moses validate Joshua as the next leader of Israel:

Numbers 27:18-20 "And the LORD said unto Moses, Take thee Joshua the son of Nun, a man in whom is the spirit, and lay thine hand upon him; and set him before Eleazar the priest, and before all the congregation; and give him a charge in their sight. And thou shalt put some of thine honour upon him, that all the congregation of the children of Israel may be obedient."

Deuteronomy 34:9 "And Joshua the son of Nun was full of the spirit of wisdom; for Moses had laid his hands upon him: and the children of Israel hearkened unto him, and did as the LORD commanded Moses."

It was GOD's order that Joshua be the leader, but Moses had to carry it out by ordaining him. Want some more examples? Here there are:

Samuel ordained King Saul, a man ranked among the Prophets in 1 Samuel 10:1 "Then Samuel took a vial of oil, and poured it upon his head, and kissed him, and said, Is it not because the LORD hath anointed thee to be captain over his inheritance?"

1st Kings 20:15-16, 19 "And the LORD said unto him, Go, return on thy way to the wilderness of Damascus: and when thou comest, anoint Hazael to be king over Syria: And Jehu the son of Nimshi shalt thou anoint to be king over Israel: and Elisha the son of Shaphat of Abelmeholah shalt thou anoint to be prophet in thy room......So he departed thence, and found Elisha the son of Shaphat, who was plowing with twelve yoke of oxen before him, and he with the twelfth: and Elijah passed by him, and cast his mantle upon him.
2nd Kings 3:11 "But Jehoshaphat said, Is there not here a prophet of the LORD, that we may enquire of the LORD by him? And one of the king of Israel's servants answered and said, Here is Elisha the son of Shaphat, which poured water on the hands of Elijah." (that phrase means he was trained by Elijah has a humbled disciple)

Amos 3:7 "Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets."

Matthew 3:13-17 "Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: and lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." (did JESUS need to repent? No, it was a typology of his "ordination" and "validation" by a true Prophet of GOD)

Matthew 10:1 "And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease." (JESUS was not just GOD, but HE was a man also, setting the pattern for men of GOD to ordain men of GOD)

Acts 1:24-26 "And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, that he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles."

Acts 13:2-3 "As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them. And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away." (Again, men ordained by men according to the order of the HOLY SPIRIT)

Galatians 2:9 "And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision." (The grace was given by GOD, and but until the Apostles validated it, Paul and Barnabas did not go. Yes Paul was called by GOD as an Apostle, but others MUST VALIDATE the grace given)

Titus 1:5 "For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:" (though inspired by GOD and anointed by GOD, Titus was appointed by Paul)

The one's that were not ordained by GOD came up at a time when barely any real Prophets were walking. Jeremiah's day saw MANY fake Prophets, even though he was not the only real one. Ezekiel, Huldah and others prophesied during his time. Ezekiel also was a Prophet during the ministry of Daniel. In ALL the scriptures that I have placed up here, I have shown that yes GOD anoints and ordains HIS Apostles and Prophets, but HE almost always uses HIS Prophets to set the next generation in place by ordination. There is no dancing around this.

Now, I spent a good 40 minutes finding and placing scriptures for my point, as you requested. Can you please respect my request with what I asked for and not what you feel like giving, or is this your show? All I want is:

-QUOTE ME as to where I said you don't need GOD to be HIS Prophet,

-QUOTE SCRIPTURE as to where you do not need training from men (more than one verse please, because a doctrine cannot be built on one verse, but a cult can),

-QUOTE SCRIPTURE as to where you do not need ordination here by men of GOD (again, more than one verse please),
Brother I gave a scripture concerning the appointment of Prophets and you have not given me one saying that man's consigning is needed outside of God's. You have danced all around the subject of Prophet with every other office in the bible.

WHERE IS YOUR SCRIPTURE TO SUPPORT THE NEED OF MAN TO COSIGN FOR GOD. YOU ARE OFF BASE.

EITHER YOU ARE CALLED OF GOD OR NOT.
Speaking on God's behalf inaccurately, without calling people to repentance. As a Biblical type, the "dogs". We are told false prophecy will get worse towards the end. So how can this be discerned in ourselves and others? "The visions of your prophets were false and worthless; they did not expose your sin to ward off your captivity. The oracles they gave you were false and misleading."
Deut. 18:20-22 (NIV) "A prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death. You may say to yourselves, 'How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?' If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously..."


But what if it does come true? In fact, aren't we specifically warned that near the End of the Age many will show great signs and wonders? What then? Are signs and wonders "fruit"? Effective witchcraft is not the "fruit" we are to look for (Gal 5:22-23). Signs and wonders are not to be sought (Mat 16:4). Does the prophet call for repentance, for holiness and loyalty to Christ? Or is he providing an enticing strip-tease away from God?
Deut 13:1-3 (NIV) "If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, 'Let us follow other gods' (gods you have not known) 'and let us worship them,' you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul."
Mark,

Torah states that even if the prophecies come true... If the prophets are not living according to Torah, then they are not to be followed. These types of prophets will trick the masses, as we shall see in the near future.
WHENEVER THE LORD RELEASED A DIVINE MOVEMENT WITHIN THE RANKS OF THE KINGDOM, IMPOSTERS SHOWED UP FOR THEIR ASSIGNMENTS OF EMULATION, IMMITATION, AND DECEPTION, AS WELL.. THE PEOPLE OF GOD ARE SO EASILY STIRRED BY WHAT APPEARS TO BE "SENSATIONAL", THAT THEY SELDOM CHECK FOR DIVINE AUTHENTICITY. AS LONG AS THE MAN/WOMAN OF GOD CAN "REVEAL" INFORMATION ABOUT THEM THAT THEY ALREADY KNOW ABOUT THEMSELVES, THEY HAVE FANS AND GROUPIES THAT WILL FOLLOW THEM OFF OF A SLIPPERY CLIFF. WITH"GREASED" STILLETOES ON, AND IT IT IS FOR THIS REASON, THAT THE ENEMY HAS BEEN ABLE TO INFILTRATE THE RANKS OF PROPHETS, AND GAIN ILLEGAL ASSESS TO THE HEARTS, SOULS, AND MINDS OF THE FLOCK. IF ONE WAS TO STUDY THE METHODOLGY OF FAMILIAR SPIRITS AND DIVINATION, ONE WOULD FIND MUCH TRICKERY, FALSE IMAGERY, AND "WONDERS" THAT DON'T LAST, BUT WHEN THE TRUE PROPHET OF GOD THRUSTS IN HIS SWORD, TO RELEASE, ACTIVATE, AND STIR THE WELLSPRINGS OF SALVATION AND THE RIVERS OF LIFE, THERE IS AN UNDENIABLE, ACCOMPANYING VISITATION AND MOVE OF GOD'S SPIRIT THAT SHAKES THE SOULS OF MEN, AND CAUSES THE "DOOR POSTS" TO TREMBLE. SO MUCH OF WHAT WE EMBRACE AND APPLAUD AS THE MINSTRATIONS OF THE PROPHET IS NO MORE THAN THE WORK OF CHARLATANS, SORCERY, AND SKILLFULLY EMPLOYED "SMOKE AND MIRRORS!" THE PROPHETIC THRUST WILL ALWAYS HAVE THE 'FRAGRANCE","POWER", AND "ESSENCE OF JESUS CHRIST, FOR THE "REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST, IS THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY"! THE PROPHETIC THRUST COMES TO RECONCILE MEN BACK INTO PROPER ALIGNMENT WITH GOD'S KINGDOM, AND TO RECONCILE THE SOULS OF MEN BACK UNTO GOD. YOU WILL NEVER FIND THE PRIMARY THRUSTING OF THESE SERVANTS OF GOD, IN PROMISING NEW "FROKCS AND BONNETS" OR "CADILLACS AND SHACKS"! OH NO, THEY COME TO "PUT A FEW THINGS ON YOUR MIND, TO REINFORCE GOD'S STATUTE OF HOLINESS, AND TO CONVICT YOUR SOULS OF ANY SIN, BACKSLIDING OR DISOBEDIENCE, SO THAT YOU MAY BE SITUATED WITHIN YOUR CALLING AND EXPECTED END. THEY "THRUST" MIGHTILY TO YOUR PERFECTING, AND TO PRESENT YOU FAULTLESS BEFORE THE PRESENCE OF GOD WITH EXCEEDING JOY. THE PROPHETIC THRUST OFTEN, DIVIDES ASUNDER, AS IT GOES IN,BUT IT HEALS COMING OUT, IF WE ALLOW IT TO. THIS THRUSTING IS NOT APPRECIATED BY MANY, BUT IT'S APPROVED OF BY GOD, AND IT IS NEED BE! THOSE OF US WHO BEAR THE ORACLES OF GOD AS HIS "SENT MESSENGERS" ARE "EXERCISED", CHASTISED, AND PURGED BY THIS THRUSTING LONG BEFORE IT'S RELEASED CORPORATELY, AND THEREFORE "WOE, BE UNTO US IF WE OBEY NOT THE SPIRIT OF THE TRUE AND LIVING GOD, TO THE LETTER! WITH THE PROPHETIC THRUSTING, THERE SHOULD BE A "DIVINE TRUSTING", BACAUSE A LIFESTYLE OF INTEGRITY, CONSECRATION, DIVINE FAITH TO MOVE MOUNTAINS,AND DISCIPLINE SHOULD BE EVIDENT. IN THESE LAST DAYS THAT PRECLUDE THE COMING CONFRONTATION WITH THE POWERS AND PRINCIPALITIES AND SPIRITUAL WICKEDNESS IN HIGH PLACES, RANKS AND FILES OF KINGDOM EMISSSARIES AND "WAR COUNSELS" ARE EVEN NOW, BEING BRIEFED ON THE COLLECTIVE AND INDIVIUAL ASSAULT AGAINST THE ANTI-CHRIST, AND ALL ENEMIES OF THE CROSS. "INTELLIGENCE" IS BEING COVERTLY RELEASED AND CHARGED TO THOSE WHO'VE KEPT THEIR "SWORD HAND" READY,INSTANT IN AND OUT OF SEASON. THIS LATTER DAY DIVINE THRUSTING, SHALL UPROOT, LIKE A MACHETE IN A CANE FIELD, FASLSE DOCTRINES, WITCHCRAFT, DIVINATION, LEVIATHAN, RESISTANCE AND OPPOSITION, AND EVERY LYING WONDER THAT HAS SNAKED IT'S WAY INTO THE CAMP OF THE LORD, WHILE WE WERE DISTRACTED FROM OUR POSTS. THE THRUSTING "ARM" MUST BE POWERFULLY TRAINED AND CONDITIONED, TO DELIVER SWIFT, PRECISE BLOWS, BECAUSE THE ENEMY WON'T HANG AROUND FOR ANOTHER SHOT AT HIM, IF YOUR AIM AND REACH IS OFF. THIS PROPHETIC THRUSTING SHALL ALSO "THRUST" PEOPLE, MINISTRIES, VISIONS, AND GIFTINGS INTO THEIR DIVINE PURPOSE AND SERVICE UNTO THE LORD. IT SHALL THRUST IN, AND IT SHALL THRUST OUT! THOSE OF US WHO'VE BEED "SOLDERED" IN THE FURNACE OR "FOUNDERY" OF AFFLICTION AND EXTREME HARDNESS" ARE ALREADY ASSUMING A"TAKE NO PRISONERS" POSTURE, AND AS WE WERE THRUST AWAY" DURING THE PERFECTING YEARS OF PERSECUTION, ISOLATION, AND REJECTION, NOW, SHALL WE BE THRUST FORWARD, IN FULL BATTLE GEAR AND ARRAY, AND AS ONE AWESOMELY POWERFUL "WAR VESSEL", WE SHALL ADVANCE AND CONQUER WITH AN INTENSE THRUST AND HIT OUR BULLSEYE, DEAD CENTER!.
As spiritual adultery increases in the church, false prophets will flourish as highly sought after speakers, and as Christians accept more of these false teachings indiscriminately, many will fall away, believing in a phony "faith". Since we have been warned, it might be wise to seek insight into how to discern false prophecy--what are false prophets likely to say? What are they like?

Signs And Wonders
Deut. 18:20-22 (NIV) "A prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death. You may say to yourselves, 'How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?' If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously..."
Bro. Mark, and Prophetess, you both are speaking pure truth!

EW, you said:

Brother I gave a scripture concerning the appointment of Prophets and you have not given me one saying that man's consigning is needed outside of God's. You have danced all around the subject of Prophet with every other office in the bible. WHERE IS YOUR SCRIPTURE TO SUPPORT THE NEED OF MAN TO COSIGN FOR GOD. YOU ARE OFF BASE. EITHER YOU ARE CALLED OF GOD OR NOT.


I could have sworn that I placed scripture upon scripture up there saying that YES GOD ORDAINS ALL TRUE PROPHETS, BUT SURELY THE LORD WILL DO NOTHING LEST HE REVEAL IT TO HIS SERVANTS first. If HE is going to do something, it is HIS respect and nature to reveal this plan to the Prophets and even get HIS sons involved in the action. The FATHER has always involved HIS sons in everything, staring with the FATHER involving HIS SON, the PROPHET JESUS, in creation and redemption. You keep acting like I said HE needs us to validate or co-sign HIM, and I NEVER SAID THAT! I am showing you that HE honors us by using HIS servants the Prophets to bring in their co-laborers and brothers in the faith.

Now, can I get my request honored PLEASE?!!?
Trever You said "NO APOSTLE went without approval by men, NOT EVEN APOSTLE JESUS!"

This is where I am questioning you as well as you stating that Prophets need to be trained by Men.

Brother I have given you scripture as well as Rest of God has. Your request for scripture showing that Jesus didn't need man's validation for the Call of a Prophet has been provided. That has been given to you. The scriptures you provided are not for the office of PROPHET. You provided scriptures showing man ordaining kings, ministers, etc. But not Prophets. That is what I requested. I have given you scriptures if you just back track through the post you will find them.

Your initial post was regarding receiving training my Men to be a Prophet and I say that God does not need that.
All minister NEED training...whether Pastor, Evangelist, Prophet, Apostle, or Teacher! The problem is everyone is calling THEMSELVES with NO Instruction! Jesus spent THREE YEARS training the future APOSTLES! We have TOO many Jack-leg Ministers KILLING our people!

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