Can We as Christians not take a stand for the Gospel truth? Or do we just go along to get along??

 I hope that I get some feedback from the believers in here, I posted this in another Christian forum and didn't get a peep....I wonder why??  


Character is what you do when it is only between you and God and no one else can see what you are doing. I thank God that no matter how we try to justify ourselves...we cannot get around the Truth.
I Kings 18:21 And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word. Will we do the same or will we Answer That God is God no matter race, religion or creed and we will honor Him in all we do? You call.

Luke 9:26 - For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels. We have to make a decision as believers, either God's Word is True or we can do what we want to and vote according to the flesh and not according to the standard that God has set....You choose knowing that what is done in secret God will reveal in the open. Remember I am not asking you to vote for anyone but if you knowingly vote for something that is totally against God's Word how do you even justify this to yourself?? Abortion, Envy & Now Gay Marriage.....sometimes their is a clear difference in our choices...just make sure that you have prayed before making yours....this is only to those who profess to be believers....the Bible tell us that the world will love its own. John whom do you belong??

Democratic Party to add gay marriage to platform | The Ticket - Yahoo! News
The Democratic Party has added new language endorsing gay marriage in its platform draft, the Washington Blade reports. Sen. Harry Reid said in May that he believed the party would alter its platform in favor of gay marriage, after President Obama spoke out that month in favor of same-sex couples' right to marry.

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Please, if you have time read a post I did akin to this issue of 'fence sitting' that might apply here.

'The Grio' Article Disrespects Black Christians For Taking A Stance For Their Faith & Chick-Fil-A

But it seems you have already chosen.

Be blessed.

Bro Minister:

You are a very skilled moderator, engaging, but quite dogmatic in requiring a greater burden of proof ! (smile).  My weakness is that I am not as eloquent as I am passionate; to my own detriment, perhaps.

So as not to make up statements of why I believe people are being asked to separate bible rite from voting in this election.  I prefer to use people's own words. Maybe this article given as evidence will do a better job at substantiating my view than the last one.

NAACP Leader Says White Evangelicals are Trying to Use Homosexual Marriage as a "Wedge Issue" to Divide African-Americans

In other words,

African-American Baptist leaders are working together to counter attempts by outsiders to use gay marriage as a wedge issue to divide black voters, a Baptist minister and NAACP leader said in a radio interview Aug. 11.
Amos Brown, pastor of Third Baptist Church in San Francisco and president of the city's local NAACP branch, said on Welton Gaddy's State of Belief radio show that heads of the National Baptist Convention USA, Inc.; National Baptist Convention of America; Progressive National Baptist Convention and Lott Carey Foreign Missionary Convention are all telling their constituencies: "We as black Baptists are not single-issue persons, and we see more important things than getting stuck on this matter of whether or not there should be same-sex marriages."
Brown said black church leaders "are working to enlighten the people" about a confidential 2008-2009 memo from the National Organization for Marriage recently made public as evidence in a lawsuit in Maine.
The memo to NOM's board of directors described a project designed to "drive a wedge between gays and blacks -- two key Democratic constituencies." The strategy was to "find, equip, energize and connect African-American spokespeople for marriage, develop a media campaign around their objections to gay marriage as a civil right; provoke the gay marriage base into responding by denouncing these spokesmen and women as bigots...."
"We contend that this is a racist ploy," Brown said. "It is divisive, but it was birthed, it was created by, white evangelicals who have shown themselves to be duplicitous and contradictory in their stances."
Early in the primary, Brown said, many conservative white evangelicals were adamantly opposed to Mitt Romney because he is a Mormon. As soon as he became the presumptive nominee, "they changed their tune, jumped on the bandwagon, jumped in bed with him."
Brown said that illustrates that those evangelicals' positions "have not been based so much on questions of morality, of religion, but it's a matter of power, politics and money that they are creating these kinds of alliances."
Brown charged the strategy was behind the formation of a national campaign in May calling on African-Americans to withdraw their support from President Obama because of his stance in favor of gay marriage.
William Owens, the founder and head of the Coalition of African-American Pastors, claims to be a former Obama supporter and veteran of the Civil Rights Movement. As he gained visibility warning in major media that the president risks losing his African-American base, however, questions arose about the group's apparent ties with white conservative groups.
Brown said he doubts Owens' claim about being involved in the Civil Rights Movement and marching with Martin Luther King.
"I was a part of that movement," Brown said. "Dr. King taught me at Morehouse, and I know pretty much who was in the vanguard of the movement. Reverend William Owens was no leader in the Civil Rights
Movement, and yet this organization, the National Organization for Marriage, has anointed him through misrepresenting who he is for political gain to divide the black community."

If you or anyone stands/votes for what is a considered a CONSERVATIVE VALUE, you're not a loyal AA, democrat or a good Baptist so he's saying.   Then, somehow, ssm should become a non-issue for our votes.  When AA pastors defend a democratic platform that hurt our communities, is it o.k.?  Another example,  Does 17 million black babies aborted by Planned Prthood to date qualify as a genocide or a NON-ISSUE.  

Why are we even troubled by gang violence if our children are so easily discarded?

Does God require us to be politically correct or salt and light?

Is black life so cheap we are o.k. with it as its the liberal belief of abortion on demand just to be against WHITE EVANGELICALS, OR the conservative 'pro - life' view - even when its killing us?    Is it acceptable since its on our party's platform so we should continue on in agreement?  

If you need more proof than this, you're on your own!  (lol).

Your proof of what is happening is quite impressive. I have never denied that this type of thinking exist, I however am trying to get us to see if we identify ourselves more with Christ or with our racial make-up. Do we see the world as God see it or do we look at it through the prism of color alone? I believe that believers have to make a decision on whether they will identify their lives with Christ or with the world and as I said in my original post the "world will love its own" So ultimately I am asking for is has the black church decided to identify with the principles of this world or the principles and teachings found in the Word of God.

Minister Lee;

You said:

@newview - you have demonized an entire party based on what? As I stated earlier it doesn't matter your party affiliation if you have vowed to obey God. What has you so fearful of one party over the other? is God not soveriegn when Republicans are in office....would you not as you stated earlier be praying for our leadership? Interesting that here in a Christian forum you seem to be spouting more political jargon than biblical Words of wisdom.....interesting to say the least.

My response is:

What about the fact that I demonized BOTH parties?

You seem to just have a problem with just the Democrats and I find that suspicious if one is to look at it from a neutral corner.

You asked was God sovereign when a Republican is in office? –

My response to you is: Our Great King and God is just as sovereign with Barack Obama in office.

No, Minister – you seem to be seeking for a pass for the Republicans and from a SPIRITUAL point of view - I cant do that.

@newview - I am not looking to have a pass on any party, I was addressing the issue where you said that saints should not vote did not say that about the democrats so I was wondering what issues you seem to have with just one party, based on your ealier statement concerning "saints not voting republican" So I am not giving them a pass just trying to have you clarify why it is you feel that way? Because the discussion was started over The platform that is being expoused by the current president and can believers just vote according to the flesh or do they have to be ambassadors for Christ and vote according to their individual christian beliefs. Which should have nothing to do with what party you want to affiliate with.....remember my opening statement, I am not telling you to vote for anyone and it matters little to me if you are a repub or dem....just whether as a believer you have the liberty to vote for something that is against what God's Word states?

im sorry, I thought I was clear. 

Im not voting for Obama since this whole 'same gender marriage' fiasco.

I can't vote for the selfish - racist - hate for the poor - white is might Republicans.

Therefore I wont vote for the President this time around and not Romney.

But Republicans are the most hypocrital gun totin', hatin, running scared, so called christians on the planet.

Are the Democrats devils too?  YES

But it dont get Repubs off the hook.

I have no dog in this race and we are free to NOT vote for either of them.  Thank the Lord.


@newview - I do have a few follow up questions for you based on your statements (remember I am not espousing either party for you to vote) What about the black republicans? Are they racist? are all white republicans racist? are their no democratic racist? If I recall correctly the last party to have a former KKK member the late senator Byrd was a if you are saying that one party is racist over another wouldn't you pick the one that actually had a KKK member representing them in the senate less than 2 years ago? Next are all democrats devils? Are their no Christian democrats in office who support and follow the Word of God? Do the democrats love the poor and if so exactly how is that shown? Under this current administration more people of all races have gone on welfare than ever that an issue that we can just over look? So when we get away from the original intent of the question it just opens up to many doors that lead to no where unless we only deal with the facts and not conjecture and personal opinions that may or may not be supported.

Bro. Minister:

That was positively, brilliant.

Dear Minister, 

Ive never seen so many Republican talking points here on this forum as I see u have brought up - LOL, you sound like FOX News!

But here it is –

Our economy was going off a cliff from the policies that favored greed, avarice, and the  coddling of the rich.  Those policies were set in place by the republicans that were in office. 

Yes, there may be a lot of people on welfare now but not because the Democrats told them they HAD better get on welfare.  It was because the businesses closed from the crash starting in late 2007 and onward.

Thank goodness for that safety-net. If Republicans were in office, there would be very little compassion for the folk that lost jobs and folk wouldn’t have a safety-net.  There would be less unemployment checks for those who had lost jobs and needed to keep the electric on and less food stamps for those trying to make ends meet til the economy comes back fully. The Republicans fought hard to keep people suffering during their time of suffering.

Most Republicans seem to be a hard hearted group and care very little for the vulnerable and for those facing adversity and those that struggle. 

The Democrats (as liberal as there are) have more compassion for those going through hard times.

Each party has its faults and not all white people in either group are filled with the devil but there is a personality for each of them.  There is a certain spirit each possesses.

The personality of the Republicans party these days is made up of the personality of southern Democrats that left the Republican party back in the civil rights era because President Johnson was passing the Civil Rights Act.  They rose up and left – they were called the Dixie-crats and switched over to the Republicans most of them left the Democratoc party.  What a powerful evil spirit they took with them and now you have the Republican party of today.

The Democratic party then began to fill up with that were vulnerable (the working poor and immigrants and minorities and working middle class) because this party cared about the plights of these people.  It became a haven for them.


As far as Senator Byrd being a FORMER KKK member – that’s OK – he repented of his affiliation and renounced his former ways.  This is what EVERYONE is instructed to do if they follow Jesus – repent and become NEW creatures in Christ.


But back to the Republicans and the Republican’s budget they plan to implement -  treats the poor and working poor with disdain.  And you think their budget  will benefit those that are trying to make ends meet?  I think not. It favors the rich.

It will take away the tax credits (EID) for the low income working poor and middle class with children - you know that thousand dollar or two you they get back at the end of the year fore each of their children (up to 2 or 3 I think) but it will extend and will expand the tax cuts for the rich. 

Where is this party’s mercy for the little guys in America. 

Where is the mercy for the poor that the bible calls for?

 And they constantly talk about how much they love Jesus more than Democrats!


But the Democrats are fighting hard against their hard hearted policies and they should be thanked instead of vilified. 

This is one thing the Dems are good at – caring for the vulnerable. 

To care for the poor within your gates is Christian 24 hours a day all around the world.

@newview - I am so sorry about where this discussion has gone, I was not trying to get you to choose a party in this forum they are both filled with men...some of them are bad and other not so original question which started this dialogue was how do we as believers in Christ Jesus and His Word....embrace the platform of same sex marriage? I am unsure how we started dealing with just the politics of this issue because politics do not belong to God....they are of man. When I asked you questions about a previous statement that you made, it was not to get you to switch to any party or from any party.....the original question is what we have gotten away from. Can believers in God's Word embrace a platform of same sex marriage, we seem to have gone way off topic here and for that I apologize...not really sure how we got there???


I do however have one folow up question based on your last we as believers need a political party to take care of believers or is that God's know "The Lord is my Shepherd I shall not is HE that maketh me to lie down in green pastures....' So should we be looking for a political party to do what God promised that he would do for HIS people and the sheep of HIS pasture?? The last thing that I will say on this is simply can never get Gods results doing it mans way... God's Word states "your ways are not MY ways and niether your thoughts MY thoughts' well if we go with your above argument you believe that a political party is taking God's place and that this is christianity?? newview deal with me with the scriptures, I am a minister of God's Word. I am in a christian forum supposedly talking to my Father's children and a few of the answers that I am receiving deal with the world's standards and not God's. So once again as believers can we go against the standards that are found in God's Word based on a political affiliation???

I feel when people of God fail to seek God and put Him first, there will be some form of deception.  The Word of God states in Matthew 24:24, For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

We as people of God need to bind the hand of the enemy and cast out the Spirits of Jezebel, division, confussion and everything which is not like God. 

If we don't stand for truth, we'll yield to the lies of the devil.

I beleive the ticket can be changed but it's only when God's people stands in unity. 

Sister Cynthia:

This reference to 'Spirits of Jezebel' knocked me over.  I was being led to read on the legacy of Jezebel and Ahab on the nation of Israel and the apostasy they established, as high up as even in the government itself against the one true God.

This is a powerful message in just a few words.  Sister, that'll preach!

God bless you.


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